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Question can someone tell me why this is so expensive? I’ve never seen it before but it only 2800 pcs ? Question r/lego -
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My understanding was that this is for a program aimed at team-building/training used by companies, and the price is
not only for the pieces but also a lot of documentation and consulting hours about how to run these sessions (i.e. you
get access to a Lego help line or similar).
Edit: in the Lego website they also talk about certified Lego Serious Play facilitators, which goes hand in hand with
these sets.
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u/Reddit_reader_2206 avatar Reddit_reader_2206 • 2y ago • I had a private guy do a knock-off of one of these sessions
for my company...remotely, during the pandemic. I see where the guy ripped the idea off from now. It sucked and was
stupid, except for getting to play Lego on company time. We were each drop-shipped the 10692 Classic box for parts,
straight from Amazon, not this nice set.
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u/TheParttender avatar TheParttender • 2y ago • What about it didn't you like? Do you think that his
interpretation/execution of the idea was off or would you dismiss the whole concept?
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His execution was poor, in that none of the "lessons" he was trying g to teach us about business or teamwork translated
metaphorically to the Lego projects we were working on. The facilitator provided no overview of the process or the
goals etc. initially, so we just blindly fumbled through building exercises, and then he made broad, but disconnected
statements like "Sometimes we each don't have all the 'pieces' we need to be successful. Sometimes you gotta borrow
from your team", when we were doing this over Zoom and couldn't actually borrow parts from one another.
The Lego itself challenged some people so much, they got lost on just building. Some folks who have rarely played with
the stiff, got too sonsumed in "how" you build, and complet lost focus on "why". This left the exercises to being just a
silly lark, and a big joke to many. Probably associating serious lessons with a fun child's toy is not a great match. Maybe
for a team of engineers, but not a mixed technical sales group. The whole premise is flimsy at best.
This was my experience, with a 'knock off' of the official LEGO program. It is likely not representative if the official one.
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nocturne213 • 2y ago • Mindstorms Fan A few years ago i coached a LEGO League Team and was blown away by the
number of kids on my team that had never touched a LEGO before this. Some joined just so they could play with them. I
have had LEGO my entire life and have my children, to me it is just such a foreign concept to not play with LEGO.
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1 more reply Puzzleheaded-Lab1028 • 2y ago • Why does this comment have so many responses
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[deleted] • 2y ago • South_Barnacle_9760 • 2y ago • i think the price is hyperinflated because it’s a kit that
organizations, schools, or nonprofits purchase. i don’t see individual users buying this.
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u/GrandPriapus avatar GrandPriapus • 2y ago • We still get these super thick school supply catalogs at work. The
prices on stuff is ridiculous, like a set of dinosaur toys that would cost $5 at WalMart are $35 in the catalog.
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MD_Lincoln • 2y ago • emoji:blue_stud: Verified Blue Stud Member The place I worked at used lego for training,
specifically for learning how to train people and the importance of good instructions when doing so. The training
consisted of being given a the parts of a lego set (in this case it was a truck if I recall) and than having to build it based
on a picture of it completed only. Did our company buy some several hundred dollar kit to do so No, they went to
walmart and bought a dozen small creator sets for a fraction of that cost.
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u/MrDoe avatar MrDoe • 2y ago • I worked for the largest school supplier in not only my country, but the three other
adjacent countries.
The list prices were inflated, but not as big as what you listed. But 99% of schools, mostly municipalities and "school
chains" almost never individual schools, had contract deals.
Almost all of the customers I had contact with would get better prices with us compared to anywhere else because of
their contracts. Their idea was to offer everything, from pencil sharpeners to entire building remodeling, and that way
become their one stop shop, and make a profit due to mass not individual prices.
The list prices were awful though. Not sure the logic behind that.
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1 more reply Violator361 OP • 2y ago • Humm kinda a d!ck move for Lego to up the price like that if your right
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bytemage Cake icon • 2y ago • Serious Play is for people who make money using them in professional settings.
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spderweb • 2y ago • This. You're buying the licence to make money off it.
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LokiHoku • 2y ago • Lego isn't a John Deere tractor. You buy a set, you own it, you can rent it to someone else (charge
for daycare that offers access to the set) without paying a royalty to Lego.
Listing for this absurd price is almost certainly for tax benefit purposes when donating this set to nonprofits and
recouping some when selling to private business.
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Lamborghini_Espada • 2y ago • Edited 2y ago • But Lego can be a John Deere tractor
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u/Onyxthegreat avatar Onyxthegreat • 2y ago • Or a John Deere Batman Tumbler as we've seen lately
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Subarunyon • 2y ago • That makes me think of literal use of Lego as a tractor. Are gluing Legos together illegal? That's
the only way it can functionally be a tractor
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AbacusWizard • 2y ago • Profile Badge for the Achievement Top 1% Commenter Top 1% Commenter Are gluing Legos
together illegal?
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LokiHoku • 2y ago • Lego can be a representation of a John Deere tractor when licensed by John Deere. Lego literally
can't be a John Deere tractor because, ironically given the context above, IP issues.
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u/LegoLinkBot avatar LegoLinkBot • 2y ago • 42136-1: John Deere 9620R 4WD Tractor [Photo]
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u/Anything_justnotthis avatar Anything_justnotthis • 2y ago • Pretty sure the additional cost is due to the lesson plans
and educational content lego provide with the parts.
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spderweb • 2y ago • It's because these sets are used in pay for schooling. My son goes to a Lego building class. Pays x
dollars for it. So Lego is taking a cut, basically. Odds are it sprung up because of some law somewhere.
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u/Level9disaster avatar Level9disaster • 2y ago • But they could buy any amount of cheaper sets and using those in a
professional way without notifying TLG. What prevents a school from buying normal Lego from, say, a shop or Amazon
or any other reseller?
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johnhenrylives • 2y ago • Nothing, but chances are there are additional curriculum suggestions that go along with this
set, organizing trays, etc. Keep in mind, too - not every teacher or curriculum specialist is a Lego expert. Many
professions pay a premium for ease of use and expediency. Lastly - there are equity concerns to consider. If you're
going to purchase Lego for one classroom or one school, that's easy. When you're purchasing for a whole district as part
of a curriculum, you have to make sure each school is getting equivalent resources. Sets like these make it easier to do
that.
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[deleted] • 2y ago • It really is a niche and unique concept, just too bad that LEGO has the monopoly on it and has made
it to expensive I’d love one of these even just for my kids at home, but not for that price!
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heckhammer • 2y ago • The crazy thing is that schools only can buy supplies officially from approved vendors. My son
uses an ipad as a communication device, and the case that they ordered for it was something like $400. Yes, more than
the fucking ipad.
When I found it cheaper on another website they told me they were not allowed to order it from that website they had
to only use approved vendors who of course, Jack the price up because they are being paid with your sweet tax dollars.
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outdoorgal207 • 2y ago • Some schools are like that, but not all of them. I'm able to order from Amazon, etc. at the
public school I work at. Thank goodness! I would lose my mind if we had to spend that kind of money on our iPad cases!
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RobertKerans • 2y ago • Edited 2y ago • Say this is used in schools. If you buy a normal set (say a box of classic or
whatever) yes the raw cost is cheaper. But you also need lesson materials. Say (and I'm drastically underestimating
here) that takes one teacher one working day to put together. So seven hours. Average pay for teacher in US is $27p/h,
so around $300 (where this hypothetical teacher is going to manage to find seven hours, I dunno, but anyway). This also
completely ignores long-term support from Lego itself.
As it is, if you're a school you probably just buy normal Lego via the company itself on some education scheme + I
assume they can provide education-related resources for free. Serious Play is mainly for private companies, not schools,
so p/h cost for a consultant is much higher that for a teacher. If I [vastly] underpay my hypothetical consultant and say
they're getting double the pay of the average teacher, get baseline $600 + the cost of the Lego itself.
It's much much much more efficient to just pay for the lesson materials up front. Then it's already done, no time need
be spent on it. Even for a school this possibly makes sense, but Serious Play isn't really for schools, it's a business
[consultant] tool.
Edit: reposted this as direct answer to OP as it also answers the original question
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spderweb • 2y ago • The lawyers that the facility has to go through? Also, these set include an online portal filled with
builds specifically designed as a teaching tool.
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bytemage Cake icon • 2y ago • You pay for the Serious Play lable. Like with most things today, the price has little to do
with the material value.
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1 more reply u/Vexal avatar Vexal • 2y ago • donations can’t decrease your tax burden more than the amount of the
donation.
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4 more replies iddrinktothat • 2y ago • Thats not how corporate tax deductions work in the USA.
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1 more reply u/TheCosmicJenny avatar TheCosmicJenny • 2y ago • It’s a premium product they won’t sell many of, so
the price is high for that reason.
Also I’m pretty sure Lego gives a lot of stuff away for free to places that deserve it (i.e. schools, and not big companies)
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[deleted] • 2y ago • It also has a lot of big pieces which are a lot more expensive than a 1x1 piece lol
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u/TheCosmicJenny avatar TheCosmicJenny • 2y ago • All those big plates and Duplo animals!
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Grungble • 2y ago • as well as that lego sets are priced less by price count and more by weight and there seem to be a
good number of larger pieces in the set as well.
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[deleted] • 2y ago • Probably also for tax reasons. Donating a $250 product doesn't write off as much on taxes the same
as donating a $789 product.
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Cruisingtomm • 2y ago • I think that they can only deduct the cost of the product and not the price they are selling it
for. Otherwise I could make a Lego set that costs $10 and price it at $1m then donate it to a charity and write off $1m.
You can’t deduct the potential profits you would have made if you had sold the product you can only deduct the actual
cost to produce the item.
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Moosashi5858 • 2y ago • But the school or business can claim the cost they had to pay right?
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Cruisingtomm • 2y ago • Oh I see what you are saying. Yes if a business purchases the lego set they can claim it as a
business expense. Their tax liability would be reduced by 21% of the item they purchased. So for this $800 set their tax
bill would be reduced by about $160.
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4 more replies GoopInThisBowlIsVile • 2y ago • It’s not a dick move. It’s an actual instance of one company not giving
corporate discounts to other companies.
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forzadad • 2y ago • Schools don’t pay sticker. This is just the price for collectors who want the sets the schools get.
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u/zurn0 avatar zurn0 • 2y ago • They are a corporation, they don’t exist to be good, they exist to extract as much money
as possible. When they fall a little bit short, they lay people off. Bit of inflation happens, they up the price on an already
expensive plastic toy.
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26 more replies u/knightress_oxhide avatar knightress_oxhide • 2y ago • now we know why they don't make any profits.
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1 more reply CrimsonNorseman • 2y ago • This is for Lego Serious Play, which is a coaching concept (think: Guided
corporate brainstorming sessions with Lego). I think the hyperexpensive price is partially due to the fact that these
collections are „licensed“ for SP.
There is a WP page here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Serious_Play
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u/ALTR_Airworks avatar ALTR_Airworks • 2y ago • And they aren't mass produced and I'm pretty sure there is some
"study plan" and some psychology research developed for this thing
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9 more replies [deleted] • 2y ago • Like others have said, this is a licensed product that allows SeriousPlay facilitators
to use these in a commercial setting. Getting an SP certification is around $3000 and these kits are reusable so they're
a licensed business expense.
SP is an ILT workshop designed for adults to incorporate play into the working environment, learn team building core
concepts, and practice being inclusive of ideas on projects while thinking outside of the box.
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Savir_Ekim • 2y ago • LEGO Serious Play is not a standalone set, it’s a strategy and team building methodology.
Sessions are facilitator led with the shortest lasting 3-4 hours and the longest spanning 3 days worth of material and
exercises.
“The materials are uniquely developed sets based on a variety of LEGO elements. The LEGO SERIOUS PLAY brand and
the IP rights are held by the LEGO Group.”
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So i could be doing Lego Serious Play instead of LSS problem solving events?
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1 more reply Rigtoofen • 2y ago • Duplo pieces are always more expensive, there's a bunch mixed in here. Plus fancy
molds.
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u/Pikes_Pompadour avatar Pikes_Pompadour • 2y ago • emoji:blue_stud: Verified Blue Stud Member And a bunch of
baseplates
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Violator361 OP • 2y ago • Thanks for the answers guys I’ve never heard of it before and thought it was kinda crazy
thanks for the explanation
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u/LEGO_Joel avatar LEGO_Joel • 2y ago • Superheroes Fan That explains the whole post :)
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Revenant_Rai • 2y ago • Depressing fact, this is the last set to feature trans neon orange.
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Revenant_Rai • 2y ago • It’s a legendary color, it’s the color older fire pieces were made in, and was a major color in
tons of classic themes, notably ice planet, and more recently Nexo knights and monkie kid.
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1 more reply u/Knee-Awkward avatar Knee-Awkward • 2y ago • Everyone else is wrong, the real reason it is so
expensive is because theres a Mr.Gold minifigure burried in all those pieces, if you look real close you might be able to
find him.
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liviothan • 2y ago • Serious play is usually for organisations. Many of which will be making money from the use of their
product and so lots of the price will be due to licencing reasons
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RobertKerans • 2y ago • Edited 2y ago • Say this is used in schools. If you buy a normal set (say a box of classic or
whatever) yes the raw cost is cheaper. But you also need lesson plans/materials: they're much more important here. Say
(and I'm drastically underestimating here) that takes one teacher one working day to put together. So seven hours.
Average pay for teacher in US is $27p/h, so around $300 (where this hypothetical teacher is going to manage to find
seven hours, I dunno, but anyway). This also completely ignores long-term support from Lego itself.
As it is, if you're a school you probably just buy normal Lego via the company itself on some education scheme + I
assume they can provide education-related resources for free. Serious Play is mainly for private companies, not schools,
so p/h cost for a consultant is much higher that for a teacher. If I [vastly] underpay my hypothetical consultant and say
they're getting double the pay of the average teacher, get baseline $600 + the cost of the Lego itself.
It's much much much more efficient to just pay for the lesson materials up front. Then it's already done, no time need
be spent on it. Even for a school this possibly makes sense, but Serious Play isn't really for schools, it's an IDEO-style
Californian-style business [consultant] tool, cost reflects that.
You need to understand that the difference between it being $100 and $1000 is rounding-error-level for a large
company: those are trivially small sums of money for essentially one-off purchases. From Lego's perspective they
charge as much as they feasibly can. This isn't being sold to kids or collectors or whatever, completely different market
with different pricing structures
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u/Final_Marsupial_441 avatar Final_Marsupial_441 • 2y ago • Duplo is expensive and this is for teaching a class.
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u/Hypnaustic avatar Hypnaustic • 2y ago • Star Wars Fan Also duplo and not normal legos
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u/Whiteoutlist avatar Whiteoutlist • 2y ago • I think i read that it is for use in seminars for team building
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u/theawesomedanish avatar theawesomedanish • 2y ago • It's something for team building exercises in corporate
settings AFAIK.
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u/Tophappist avatar Tophappist • 2y ago • I remember wanting to get the entire Bill Nye the Science Guy series on dvd
and the only collection I could find was $900 with only 2 episodes per disk. Found out it was for educators for playing at
schools, so I wasn’t willing to pay that much haha. Never found the complete series for a reasonable price.
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1 more reply u/AsianMan45NewAcc avatar AsianMan45NewAcc • 2y ago • Wait so it's a compilation of standard Lego
and Duplo?
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CarefulDevelopment29 • 2y ago • I’ve never seen duplo and normal pieces mixed together in something before, I
wonder why they chose to sell this?
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u/Level9disaster avatar Level9disaster • 2y ago • I see the point, but tbh adults in business settings could still play with
System animals, lol There are normal size elephants after all
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1 more reply mcbergstedt • 2y ago • These are also all mostly “unique” pieces which would drive up the price.
I’m sure if you priced it out on bricklink it would be similar or even cost more.
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tweakyloco • 2y ago • That's more expensive than the new hulkbuster that was released
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2 more replies u/GrubH0 avatar GrubH0 • 2y ago • 9n the topic of duplo being more expensive, much of that duplo is
animals, and they are cheaper than their Lego equivalent if such exists.
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Ghost403 • 2y ago • It's a commercial pack for Lego education certified trainers.
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ohreddit1 • 2y ago • This is a business building kit designed for groups to increase skills of a desired set of professional
abilities. Comes with parts and guide.
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theReal_Kirito • 2y ago • It's because it for buisness. should help develop certain skills you'd need. Weird course and
way overpriced. On top of beeing a uselless pile of parts (mostly) can't really build anything with it. Thought to (with the
correct mentoring) help improve problemsolving and such stuff. And since they're trying to sell it to corporate, schools
n stuff they want even more money for it.
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Crespie • 2y ago • It’s a mix of overly large and intricate pieces. Take the baseplates for example there’s a heap of them
there. I don’t know if you’ve seen duplo but the sets from that line make PPP people cry.
Finally as someone else pointed out this is for businesses that use this for education/professional purposes that they can
also write off as a tax cut
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dignasty77 • 2y ago • My son asked for a couple discontinued Minecraft. They were north of $1000. I’d expect to put it
together at a Four Seasons for that price.
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Tankreas • 2y ago • Star Wars Fan Jesus Christ it just looks like my spare parts bucket
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u/DisneyGirl0121 avatar DisneyGirl0121 • 2y ago • Lots of times, Lego makes their older stuff (even 1-2 years) more
expensive than it originally was.
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[deleted] • 2y ago • Feels like something you could get at a yard sale for a third of the price
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jols0543 • 2y ago • i don’t think ur supposed to buy it, it’s out there just in case somebody is silly
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