“penelope was spartan!! she’d have short hair for odysseus when he returned so she would seem more masculine to appeal to odysseus more!!”

*loud incorrect buzzer*

(headcanon) once odysseus arrived in troy, penelope received a message from him telling her to not cut her hair and to keep it long. he basically says in the letter that she should just trust him, he’ll be more than fine when he gets home and she has long hair. in the same letter, odysseus mentions how he’ll be “sharing a tent” with diomedes. penelope, having met diomedes, immediately makes the connection that

diomedes has long hair.

yeah, she realizes that odysseus will be just fine with her having long hair when he returns. just fine.

if you combine aspects of the iliad achicleos (achilles and patroclus) and the song of achilles achicleos, the song that (i think) is theirs would be haunted by laufey. i could reference each lyric of that song to a part of the iliad and/or the song of achilles.

in this essay i will…

in my mind odysseus didn’t jetpack his way to victory (it’s so silly, but so out of character for the man who tortures a god less than 2 minutes later) but he instead ties the wind bag to his raft, then opens it. kinda doing what he did in ruthlessness, but he’s not running this time

is this idea something?? idk how i feel about it, but it seems more controlled than the jetpack bc in reality ody would’ve been spinning out of control (i’d love to see that though)

the best cut song from epic is oceans in my eyes. i won’t accept any other opinions (i will, i’ll just mentally say your wrong)

man of the house and appetite are close seconds with ismarus being a not as close (but still amazing) third

reposting this theory from my tiktok because i would explain it verbally if i could, but that’s too much effort.

please feel free to share your thoughts or opinions or disagreements because i LOVE hearing other opinions!!/srs

(jorge liked the video on tiktok so i’m very sure im onto something here, but i could obviously be missing bits and pieces or getting things wrong)

BLOND HAIRED ODYSSEUS WITH HETEROCHROMIA?? (i need art of this desperately🙏🙏) [i don’t know how entirely true it all is, but then again, there’s many interpretations and i desperately need to see this one]

idk if this theory was already said or something, but “i see you draw your final breath” was (i think) never in fact about him physically drawing his final breath, but more about him becoming a monster.

y’know that whole “i see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s no longer you” thing? i’m 99.99% sure the end of get in the water/all of six hundred strike was when he changed (no longer was himself). it wasn’t during monster, or when ody cut the tails of the sirens and let them drown, or even let the rest of his crew die just so he could make it home. Its was (as i mentioned in another little post) when he finally let go of polites during get in the water. any part of him that felt mercy and wanted to try and just talk things out was left behind.

i’m sure we’ve all heard people say “oh, the old me is dead”. i’m pretty sure that’s what “i see you draw your final breath” meant. “i see YOU draw your final breath” “but it’s NO LONGER YOU”.

the best way i can explain it is that ody, odysseus, captain, warrior of the mind, THAT GUY is dead. now all that’s left is a monster, the ruthless king of ithaca who would trade the world and his humanity to see his son and wife.

idk though, i might be wrong about that😭 i was thinking about how we never see ody actually take his final breath. he gets close, but never does, so i think it might’ve been in the metaphorical sense.

i hope one day i can write and publish a book, and i hope one day someone compares it to a hozier song <33 (preferably talk, arsonist’s lullaby, or work song, but i’m not picky)

i love watching jorge lipsync during the livestream because i’m always like

“OOH, GET IT JORGE!! THE MUSIC IS 5 SECONDS DELAYED, BUT I GET WHAT YOU’RE GOING FOR!!”

it’s the thought that counts i suppose😭

we all know polites LOVES coming back to haunt ody, and we love him for it. but i’m 99% sure this is his last appearance.

in open arms, there’s basically three little parts. in the beginning he has a normal part about open arms, same as in the second part. in the third it’s slower, and ends with “you can relax my friend”. “open arms” twice, “you can relax my friend” twice (once at the very start, once at the very end)

troy saga, before his death, we start everything with “you can relax my friend”

underworld saga, he says “open arms”

wisdom saga, again he says “open arms”

and now in the vengeance saga, “you can relax my friend”

we’ve basically heard all of open arms, and it’s all come full circle. i take it all as odysseus finally being able to let go of his guilt and pain and everything, and now it’s like a weight off his shoulders. he doesn’t have to uphold the whole idea of open arms anymore, and right after that, we get the poseidon and odysseus torture scene of just pure ruthlessness. sort of like polites is giving odysseus his final bit of advice, his okay on doing whatever he needs to do to get vengeance for the fallen soldiers and get back to his wife and son.

i love how instead of the voices haunting odysseus, for once they’ve come back to support him and help him. it’s encouraging instead of reminding him of all that’s terrible.

polites always says “greet the world with open arms”, reminding ody of how open arms failed him and got his men killed. now it’s changed to “you can relax my friend”, basically telling him to relax and keep pushing forward

eurylochus said “how much longer till your luck runs out”, reminding ody of how his luck did run out, partially because of his own actions. now he says “look at all we’ve lost and all we’ve learned” which (i’m assuming) refers to ody losing all 600 men, and learned the whole idea of ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.

anticlea says “waiting, waiting” reminding him of just how long he took to get home and how his mother died waiting. now she says “i’ll stay in your heart” giving him the strength he needs to keep pushing forward, someone else to fight for.

instead of the crew singing anything about letting the cyclops live or ody being the reason they die, they instead sing “odysseus. waiting, waiting, waiting” which i interpret as the men waiting for odysseus to make their deaths worth something, to bring them the justice they deserve. because if odysseus dies, the other deaths were for nothing.

ARGHHGH I LOVE THIS MUSICAL <333

i was waiting for the crew to fill in the silence at the beginning of dangerous. that was so depressing, wtf

thanks hermes for saving us!!

my dad is actually so me

i was able to get him to sort of kind of watch epic (me and my mom watched the live stream on the living room tv, and my dad occasionally would tune in) and it was actually hilarious

he insulted eurylochus probably around 20-ish times, his favorite song is no longer you, he got upset at polites for being stupid and too kind, and he butchered every single name (intentionally). he also said that calypso is on a great track to borderline personality disorder and then yapped about that for like 5 minutes (he’s a mental health professional😔)

he’s also mad that i introduced him to something that’s unfinished because he wants to hear more and he wants the ithaca saga

i can’t believe odysseus literally made a jetpack out of the wind bag😭 i mean, if it works it works i guess

wait, i just realized athena HAS to come back because in the odyssey, athena basically holds back the sun from rising so ody and penelope can get their freak on for longer😭