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i was gnawing at the walls of my enclosure on my latest thg reread so i wanted to make a place to vent! she/her

Reading Mockingjay as an adult is extra devastating because. Of course the plucky teenager and her ragtag friends aren't going to sneak into a government building to kill the president with a bow and arrow. That's absolutely ridiculous. It's the kind of thing that's only possible in the kind of propaganda that Coin developed. But she's so good at it that in some ways she tricks the reader into thinking that's the kind of story this is, too--even after 3 books reminding us that pretty much everything that Katniss does the second she volunteers is manipulated by adults pulling strings to make propaganda in some form or another.

OP i LOVE this post!!!

The first time I read Mockingjay, I was probably about 12 and had only really read either middle grade fantasy or other YA dystopia books, and even though I was a voracious reader, because Iโ€™d always been reading Chosen One novels, I had no way to contextualize that this series was different.

The ending where Katniss gets into the presidentโ€™s mansion and kills Snow was my EXPECTATION. It completely fried my brain when she didnโ€™t make it and instead Prim died and Katniss had her mental break. I fully did not understand what was going on, or why it was more realistic and more powerful that Katniss WASNโ€™T the one to storm in and kill Snow. My understanding, from other books, was that Katniss was always in control. She was the Mockingjay after all, so how could she not be? District 13 was Katnissโ€™ ally, Coin was the GOOD GUY (until the Prim thing).

Then, re-reading as an adult, all of this HORRIFIED me. Katnissโ€™ desperation, the way that 13 stood by for 75+ years while the other districts suffered, Coin using Katniss and the propaganda throughout.

The whole point is that Katniss is NOT a Chosen One.

Her status as accidental symbol of the rebellion comes with power, but in order to use that power, she must submit to being controlled, ultimately losing many of the things most important to her. AND SHE DOES, because she doesnโ€™t want the power just for herself. Isnโ€™t the biggest reason she agrees to be the Mockingjay to defeat Snow and free the districts?

And then it happens AGAIN in The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes except SNOW actually DOES think heโ€™s in a Chosen One novel.

In direct contrast to Katniss, he sees HIMSELF as the Chosen One. So of COURSE Tigris stays up all night to help him. Of COURSE Gaul singles him out among his classmates. Of COURSE Lucy Gray is able to win (ONLY with his help, of COURSE). Of COURSE he isnโ€™t going to spend his whole life as a Peacekeeper, heโ€™s Too Special. Heโ€™s Going to Be President Some Day.

And this, this self-obsession, especially combined with his ambition, and the expectation that those around him can and SHOULD be manipulated (because they are lesser-than in Snowโ€™s eyes) is what lets him rise to power as a fascist dictator.

Not only does Collins divert the Chosen One trope with Katniss, she also shows us the danger in characters who believe they are the Chosen One and behave that way to those around them.

In my note taking I was trying to make a list of everyone whoโ€™s been eligible to be reaped in 12 at any given time and then it hit me how stupid I was being.

In the original trilogy, EVERYONE, every single citizen of district 12 had been eligible to be reaped at some point in their lives.

A 19 year old in the first annual games would have to have been 93 by the time the 74th games came around. We donโ€™t know if thereโ€™s anyone that age in 12, but we do know that the life expectancy is not great.

Every single person living in 12 would have known, for 7 whole years, that they might be chosen to go die. They would have spent seven sweltering hot reaping days watching the sun rise and standing in the square and hoping their name wasnโ€™t called and watching as kids they knew got taken away.

Anyone younger than age 74 would have watched (at least) two kids get killed every. single. year. Of their ENTIRE LIVES. Itโ€™s the only existence theyโ€™ve EVER known.

And yet, they know it doesnโ€™t have to be. They know that the sun does not have to rise on the reaping, and the luckiest of them live on to see a day when it doesnโ€™t.

Why does the Capitol have a Navy?

โ€œEverybody called him Pup to differentiate him from his naval commander father, who watched over the waters off District 4.โ€ (TBOSAS, 96).

We know that D4 has access to ships, so it could just be to keep them in line, but that to me seems like a Peacekeeper job.

Thereโ€™s 13, but it doesnโ€™t seem to me like ships are something that 13 has access to, and theyโ€™re the only known, non-district entity out there.

What is there to watch over off the shores of District 4???????

Call me crazy, but I can't be the only one that thinks that the main reason that Clerk Carmine in Sunrise on the Reaping doesn't like Haymitch is that he reminds him too much of his dead brother Billy Taupe?? "The Abernathys were known rebels back in the day" and "He [Clerk Carmine] once told Lenore Dove that I was the kind that died young." Billy Taupe was running around with the District 12 rebels in The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, some of which included members of the Chance family, like Arlo Chance who inspired the Hanging Tree song. While the Chance family are still going strong by Sunrise on the Reaping, maybe Clerk Carmine remembers his brother hanging out with some Abernathys back in the day. Also Billy Taupe doesn't get a headstone in the Covey graveyard but Clerk Carmine still taught Lenore Dove how to play Billy's old piano accordion... Much to think about.

I keep seeing people asking why the Gamemakers didnโ€™t simply edit out the scene with the berries or Rueโ€™s death scene since they edited a bunch of stuff out of Haymitchโ€™s Games. And I keep seeing this described as an inconsistency or a plot hole or a retcon. But thereโ€™s actually a clear explanation.

Katnissโ€™s big moments in the 74th Games can all be viewed in two ways by the audience. Her rebellion is much more subtle than Haymitchโ€™s and so it doesnโ€™t occur to the Gamemakers to take it off the television until it is already too late. Because they donโ€™t think of it as rebellion at all. And yet to the oppressed people in the districts, the rebellious undercurrents are much more obvious.

This is actually explained multiple times in the original trilogy. Katnissโ€™s stunt with the berries can be viewed as just a silly teenage girl not wanting to live without her boyfriend. And this is how most people in the Capitol view it. But the people in the districts view it as an act of defiance against the Capitol, denying them their victor unless she can bring her ally with her. Which essentially breaks the Games โ€” thereโ€™s only supposed to be one victor.

Snow even gives Katniss a good long while to convince all of Panem and not just the Capitol that she really is that lovestruck girl. But she doesnโ€™t manage to do this, of course.

Haymitch, on the other hand, starts his time in the Capitol off by laying a dead girl at Snowโ€™s feet during the tribute parade in order to make Snow โ€œownโ€ it. He does a ton of openly rebellious things and because heโ€™s so obvious about it, almost none of those things end up on television.

People keep saying that this book is less subtle than the original trilogy and it is like โ€ฆ yeah. Thatโ€™s intentional. I can understand why some readers might prefer more subtlety, but itโ€™s not an example of bad or rushed writing. The writing is accomplishing precisely what it needs to accomplish.

Not to be that person but Haymitch is now like canonically the person who keeps the Coveyโ€™s memory alive. Even if Katniss has information passed down from her father, I think it pales in comparison to what Haymitch knew intimately. Out of the remainder of 12โ€™s population, it is Haymitch who adds their histories to the book. He tells their story. He also has seen Lucy Grayโ€”he can give her a physical description.

And I think, out of all the things he did (in the canon story), that is the most meaningful way he honored Lenore Dove.

Taking notes on the differences between Games now and Iโ€™m realizing something interesting about interviews.

In the 10th games (first year with interviews), they arenโ€™t mandatory, and only about half of the remaining tribute/mentor teams (YEP the mentors interviewed too) choose to participate.

They have 5 minutes.

In the 50th games, Haymitch mentions each tribute gets โ€œonlyโ€ two minutes each, so letโ€™s assume that since there are double the tributes, they get half the time. So normally 4 minutes per tribute.

By the 74th games, each tribute gets 3 minutes.

Now, we could just assume that the timing cuts down for broadcasting reasons, but I see a different story here. The interview is the only time in the entire Games before the arena that the tributes are allowed to express themselves publicly. Even the clothes they wear prior to this are dictated by their stylist, who is a Capitol citizen. Iโ€™m sure that at first, not participating was a way of rebelling, but eventually, do the tributes begin to understand that this is the only way to express themselves and truly represent themselves? If yes, it makes sense that the times of their interviews get shorter and shorter. The Capitol is minimizing the opportunity of these tributes to be able to speak their own mind and create their own stories.

I need fanart of this incredibly swagful description of Plutarch:

โ€œI look up and see Plutarch Heavensbee in the magnificent purple robe with the fur-trimmed collar that designates him as Head Gamemaker. Heโ€™s eating a turkey leg.โ€ (Catching Fire, 65)

Do we think that Mags ordered the ham hock soup specially from the kitchen because sheโ€™s mentored District 12 tributes before?

I would have thought that District 4 likely eats mostly seafood, and itโ€™s SO specific that Haymitch mentions it before that point as a comfort/mourning food and Mags just happens to have ordered it after Louellaโ€™s death.

I feel like the first year that they moved the games out of the old, rundown Capitol arena, they probably didnโ€™t tell the tributes ahead of time, except maybe to sort of tease them. Imagine thinking youโ€™re going into that crusty, well known old arena, and coming up the tubes and being somewhere COMPLETELY different.

Did the tributes feel safe at first? Did they find better places to hide and more to hunt and better shelter and natural water? Did they not realize that they were trapped and try to make a run for it? Were they shocked when the mutts started to appear? What deadly surprises were waiting for them that year? How soon did the Capitol start to add things like natural disasters or un-synching the sun to make it even harder for the tributes? Was there ever a game played completely at night? With no night at all?

By the time we get to Katnissโ€™ game, she knows what to expect out of them, down to โ€œoh, the gamemakers are getting rid of the water to bring the last of us all to one placeโ€. How much harder was it for those early kids who didnโ€™t yet know the rules of the new and improved arenas?

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