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“the reaver” is…interesting.

so, victarion loves battle and he loves to kill. like most ironborn, he respects those who take what they want and don’t back down. even dying isn’t so bad as long as you do it with your head held high. still, he’s unhappy as his brother’s lacky. he knows that euron shouldn’t be king. aeron knows it too, and asha. aeron presented him with an opportunity to rebel openly against their new king and he refuses. even as he assists euron in conquest, he thinks the glory should be his. victarion disapproves of the magic, the slavery, and dishonoring their opponents. even at the end of the chapter, when he does decide to rebel, he chooses to do so in a covert way. it’s the antithesis of ironborn philosophy.

he’s obviously afraid of euron. he seems to be afraid of divine punishment as well. i think that’s interesting, since he already killed one of his kin, right? i’m pretty sure his wife was pregnant when he killed her. even though it wasn’t his baby, it was still his blood relative through euron. i’m not really sure when the ironborn endow their progeny with personhood; maybe it only counts after the baby has been born.

their conversation was weird. euron naked? okay, i can see that. he just had sex, so it makes sense. eyepatch too? sure. but what the hell is all this cloak business about? like…okay. in my mind that’s like being completely naked except for shoes and socks.

anyway, it’s pretty obvious that victarion’s plan to steal daenerys will fail, or at least backfire tremendously. it seems like euron is setting him up in some way. why else take his brother’s closest men away from him? he knows victarion will put up with a lot based on past experience, but he’s probably not so stupid as to think there’s no resentment or danger of betrayal.

if euron’s gifts are poisoned, then this man will be dead soon.

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Theon stared at the flames over the rim of his wine goblet, brooding on the injustice of it all. “I rode beside Robb Stark in the Whispering Wood,” he muttered. He had been frightened that night, but not like this. It was one thing to go into battle surrounded by friends, and another to perish alone and despised. Mercy, he thought miserably.

— ACOK, THEON VI.

Femslash February Day 28 = Margaery And Asha

Watching every motion in my foolish lover's game

On this endless ocean, finally lovers know no shame

Turning and returning to some secret place inside

Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say

Take my breath away

Take my breath away

Watching, I keep waiting, still anticipating love

Never hesitating to become the fated ones

Turning and returning to some secret place to hide

Watching in slow motion as you turn to me and say

My love

Take my breath away

I WOULD LIKE SOME FEM THEON PLEASE ✋✋✋

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OOF WHY DID THIS TAKE ME SO LONG.

anywayyy,,

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Some moments I enjoyed from ACOK that kind of further solidify how alienated from Ironborn culture Theon has become. We see it of course in the bigger moments like him just not enjoying any of the reaving he is originally assigned to do with Dagmer and Aeron. But there were two smaller moments that stood out to me too.

"The walls of Winterfell were behind him, but Ser Rodrik faced them squarely and could not fail to see. Theon watched his face. When his chin quivered under those stiff white whiskers, he knew just what the old man was seeing. 'He is not surprised,' he thought with sadness, 'but the fear is there.'"

Even in the midst of using Beth Cassel as leverage to prevent Ser Rodrik from attacking the castle, and after Theon has become a known child killer by all the north, he is still only able to feel sadness when his plan to use Beth works as planned and makes Ser Rodrik hesitate because he is hurt that they are not surprised he would do something like this. Theon has spent ten years of his life among the people of the north and Winterfell specifically and has always to some degree been looked at as a ticking time bomb of a threat, a boy they do not doubt will return to the Greyjoy way if given the chance. Theon has unfortunately proven them right and while that WAS his intent, to show his loyalty to his blood family and the Ironborn, all it has brought him is the realization that he hates to be viewed in this manner near as much he did being viewed a hostage. It excuses none of the more awful things he does in ACOK, but he really is the Prince of Being Caught Between a Rock and a Hard Place in this book lol. Despite how hard he tries, Theon cannot commit to one lifestyle over the other and it leaves him with nothing. The other quote is when the Boltons come and slaughter Ser Rodrik and his men, 'saving' Theon and the Ironborn:

"The crows came in the blue dust, with the evening stars. "The Dothraki believe the stars are spirits of the valiant dead," Theon said. Maester Luwin had told him that, a long time ago.

"Dothraki?"

"The horselords across the narrow sea."

"Oh. Them." Black Lorren frowned through his beard. "Savages believe all manner of foolish things."

Theon tries to say, in his own way, some kind words for the dead that the Boltons are responsible for, these men who he used to serve with side by side. In his mind, words from a warrior culture similar but not the same to the Ironborn, where the dead may be remembered as stars, is probably another way he is trying to assuage his guilty conscience. These men are dead because of him after all. But this is not how an Ironborn is meant to react to violence and Black Lorren appears uncaring at best and put off at worst from Theon's attempt to eulogize these dead northmen. Also of course the irony of him considering the Dothraki savage people when to the rest of Westeros the Ironborn are VERY much considered savage as well.

This isn't even really a thought out analysis lol I just was struck by these moments on .y reread. Theon is....sensitive. And no matter how much he tries to shove that down, and no matter how awful he can be, and he CAN be, he cannot change that part of himself. He's not that guy. Hopefully coming to terms with that in the final two books is a part of his reclaiming his identity storyline.

Anonymous asked:

Hey sorry anon here about the Plan for Theon which is what was Jon Arryn/Ned/Robert's plan for Theon's hostage/ward situation. Like post Greyjoy rebellion when they were like "okay and Ned takes the kid until...."? What do you think was going to be after the until if there's no war of five kings. Because surely it can't have been ''keep him at Winterfell forever'' or ''eh just play it by ear''. The most likely scenario seems "ship him back to Pyke when Balon kicks it" but that seems guaranteed to go poorly.

hey, don't apologize, i'm so happy you came back to clarify!! and sure i'd love to talk about this, but i don't think there was a "plan" in the way that you're thinking of it.

i think, genuinely, that it was some sort of miracle that ned was tasked to take theon to ward in the first place. the greyjoy rebellion was 9 years before the start of agot. robert's rebellion was 15 years before the start of agot. so we're six years into a new regime that was started in a pool of infant blood. robert baratheon HIMSELF was there to rock balon's shit.

acok; chapter 11, theon i

and we know how merciful robert was to his enemies... like he's so fresh off the high of killing rhaegar and elia and their tiny, terrified children you know he's jonesing for another greathouse to wipe off the face of planetos forever.

so it's shocking to me that theon was permitted to live at all. i think that was a tense and angry conversation between ned and robert and i think it was decided because ned threw in the ol' "your reign was begun on the mangled corpses of babes" line. but maybe i'm wrong and robert had no real feelings about keeping theon alive or not, especially considering the fact that rodrik and maron were casualties of war. they were not purposefully executed for their or their father's crimes.

acok; chapter 11, theon i

so, maybe i'm wrong about robert and ned's marital spat over this. we don't need to get distracted over that at this point, i don't think it really matters.

i think it's sort of impossible to say what the intent of theon's captivity was because we get nothing from ned's perspective on it. and he would know best!

theon is not a reliable narrator here. he describes ned as "cold", but this is the ned who brought him along with his trueborn children to see justice done in the northern way. who fed and clothed him and ensured that he was treated as befit a boy of his station, as an heir to pyke. theon describes cat as "even more distant and suspicious" which is crazy because cat planned the entire royal visit to winterfell with theon and robb sharing equally in all the activities of the king's party and then permitted theon into her confidence in her sick room after the attempt on bran's life. she raises some moderate reservations in response to her 15 year old son about putting their 19 year old hostage in command of his war host.

but it wouldn't be fair of theon to be a reliable narrator, here. he was kidnapped as a child and a headsman's axe was hung over his proverbial neck for nine years. he isn't going to be an objective judge of cat and ned's behavior towards him because regardless of where he was seated during dinner he was still their war trophy. because regardless of how gently cat and ned treated him he was still their political prisoner. and that's not a dynamic that's washed away with family bonding activities and a lord's wardrobe.

importantly, though, cat is also not a reliable narrator wrt theon's captivity. i have a tag on my blog about the two of them and about how cat evaluates theon's place within her own household. i've been paying close attention to that in my current reread and so far i can't quite put my finger on it (though i suspect cat sees theon as just a normal ward like how petyr was her own father's ward and how ned was jon arryn's ward etc. until war begins to brew and she remembers that theon is, in fact, representative of a potential and proven adversary) i fear that now that i'm past agot i'm not going to get very good information on how cat stark sees theon greyjoy because he is very quickly going to change from her husband's ward to the boy who murdered her two youngest children and burned winterfell to the ground. and she can't really be objective about that either.

so we get no perspective from robert and ned, and warped perspectives from cat, theon, and balon (sweet daughter northern pervert we've been over this one).

but we know this from maester luwin:

acok; chapter 46, bran vi

and i think this is an accurate summation of the "plan" wrt theon. theon was the only surviving heir to pyke. he was raised for the first ten years of his life as a third son and a youngest child. he would never have had any thoughts of succession or inheritance or rule (by mainland standards). ned felt confident that he could rehabilitate him into a good upstanding northerner and rid him of his cruel ironborn blood.

i just made a ridiculously long post about "bad blood" and why the series as a whole rejects the narrative that certain people are simply born wrong and their innate badness can never be changed, and as much as this is true for joffrey and ramsay it is also true for theon. i think this is actually one of the very strong parallels between theon and rams that i don't see discussed very much. both of them are assumed by their father (figure) to be inherently, intrinsically, immutably damaged and irredeemable. and they are then raised in a way that reinforces this as truth. it's the same self fulfilling prophecy that i talked about in that joffrey meta. when you start with the assumption that a child is a monster, and you treat him like a monster his whole life, he does eventually grow into a monster, and he proves you right.

but this is a whole lot of build up without me really answering your question. i tend to waffle.

anyway. i do literally think the plan was to play it by ear.

i think ned told robert that he could rehabilitate theon, the heir to pyke, and turn him into an upstanding mainlander just like jon arryn turned them (ned and robert) into upstanding... vale. ians. and i think the plan was absolutely to keep theon stuck in a labeled tupperware container at winterfell until balon died and then to ship him back off to the iron islands to run them like an upstanding mainlander would.

i do not think that ned nor robert spent any time at all thinking about ironborn culture because ned and robert just see ironborn culture as "those savage pillaging rapists from that shitty little chain of islands out west". i do not think either of them ever thought "huh. perhaps the ironmen would not accept an heir to the seastone chair who was raised off of the islands by outsiders and turned into an outsider by his captors". i think ned and robert both thought "if the ironmen do not accept theon as their liege lord when we give him back in 20 years or so we will come back here with our scorpions and our catapults and our big fuckass warhammer and we will beat them into submission again, because it was pretty easy the first time tbh these guys are jokes."

and i think it wouldn't have been too too wild for them to think this if the whole like, plot of the series didn't happen. robert's reign isn't very destabilized. he clearly is in possession of like intense military prowess. if euron or victarion or aeron said when theon was brought to pyke for balon's funeral and to take his place as the liege lord of the iron islands "hey, fuck you guys, that's not how we do things here" i think ned would not have to try too hard to remind them how it went the last time they tried to assert ironborn independence.

so, yes, to us, shipping a fully grown theon off to pyke to assume the lordship over the islands seems guaranteed to go poorly. but we have perspective into ironborn culture that ned and robert do not. and we also, like. care. about ironborn culture. and why the iron islands do things differently than mainland westeros. and why they would reject theon as an outsider as soon as they looked at him. ned and robert do not care about these things. their plan was to go in and put the little puppet they conversion therapied into a wolfbrained greenlander onto the seastone chair and tell everyone on the islands that they would squash them like the useless bunch of roaches they are if they don't accept his rule. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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