Shortly after Joeโs public response, Dylan messaged him directly, claiming they were once again receiving anonymous threats. They demanded that Joe take down his post, which had shared and responded to Dylanโs TikTok, alleging that it was inciting harassment. However, Joe had not encouraged any targeted behavior. Instead, he had simply defended himself and presented his side of the story. The message came across as another attempt to shift blame and silence Joeโs response, despite Dylan having gone public first with serious accusations:
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It was at this point that concerned members of the Mouthwashing community, friends of Joe, and Joe himself started creating this document to defend him with evidence, provide clarity, and put an end to the false rumors and damaging accusations that Dylan has continued to spread.
False Accusations and Clarifications
- "Joe did things to hurt me."Joe never acted with the intention to hurt Dylan. Most of Dylanโs grievances stem from not being the focal point of Joeโs content anymore once he began promoting his own OC, Eira. Feelings of rejection and jealousy do not constitute wrongdoing.
- "Joe avoided talking to me."Dylan frequently blocked Joe, making conversation impossible. Joe attempted to reach out multiple times, but was left unable to reply or clarify anything. Dylan has even admitted in a voice message that they have said โHey Joe we need to talkโ only to block him on Discord right after.
- "The document was private."Dylan admitted in DMs that they created the document. They also admitted to sharing it with the Mouthwashing Discord Server Moderators, knowing they would have no choice but to escalate it to the Developers, and posting it in group servers, which ultimately led to it leaking on Twitter and Tumblr.
- "Joe sexualized my OC."This is completely false. One version of the Dylan model had an incorrect chest size due to a modeling error. As soon as Dylan expressed discomfort, Joe fixed the issue immediately. No sexual animations or content were ever produced.
- "Joe is a cishet man pushing 30."Joe has never disclosed his age, sexuality or identity publicly. These are baseless, personal attacks meant to discredit his work and invalidate his ability to make WLW content.
- "Joeโs fans are harassing me."Joe has made public posts urging fans not to harass anyone. Dylan admitted in DMs that they delete alleged threats before documenting them. There is no proof that any harassment originated from Joeโs audience. Additionally, when Joe suggested disabling their inbox to prevent further messages, Dylan declined, choosing to keep it open despite knowing it could expose them to continued negative interactions.
- "He demanded I take down content out of spite."Joe requested the removal of his content only after learning Dylan was spreading a document designed to undermine his career. He also issued a full refund of $10 which was the only amount Dylan paid.
- "Joe stole my idea."There is no evidence of this. Eiraโs story, relationship dynamics, and design were entirely Joeโs original creation and not based on Dylanโs work.
Addressing Dylanโs Document and Its Impact
Despite all prior agreements and kindness by Joe, Dylan later created a document containing numerous false claims about him. Though Dylan claimed it was private, they:
- Shared it in a private server with 50+ members, which eventually lead to it being leaked to Twitter and Tumblr
- Escalated it to the Mouthwashing developers in an attempt to make them take action against him.
- Continued discussing it publicly on Tumblr, Discord and TikTok
This document contained out-of-context screenshots and omitted any of Joeโs messages that would provide clarity. Below are direct responses to some of their accusations:
1. On Misgendering:
Joe explicitly asked how Dylan would like to be referred to, and was told โsheโ could be used sometimes. There was no insistence on one set of pronouns at the time, and no clear boundaries communicated. When Dylan later clarified that they no longer wanted โshe/herโ used, Joe complied and apologized. To suggest malicious intent from this misunderstanding ignores Joeโs effort to ask first and adjust when told otherwise.
2. The Model Miscommunication:
ย Dylan initially agreed to have a casual outfit model made for their OC. Joe let them know he wanted to use a different modeler, his own trusted friend. Dylan did not object at the time and even proceeded with the plan. The issue with the chest size was never mentioned beforehand. Once Dylan did express discomfort, Joe immediately offered to have the model adjusted. The โboobsโ were not intentional or malicious, it was a placeholder default body shape by the modeler who was unaware of Dylanโs preferences.
Also, the claim that Joe made Dylan pay for the model and then didnโt use it omits the fact that Dylan voluntarily agreed to commission it and never raised objections about payment at the time. Joe was under no obligation to use the final model if it didnโt suit the animation plans or deadlines.
3. The Jimmy Comment:
A one-off comment in a Discord chat suggesting a possible idea about a character being flirty is not the same as planning to depict abuse or trauma. Joe was brainstorming lighthearted or comedic ideas, not proposing anything harmful or serious.
A one-off comment in a Discord chat suggesting a possible idea about a character being flirty is not the same as planning to depict abuse or trauma. Joe was brainstorming lighthearted or comedic ideas, not proposing anything harmful or serious.
At the time, Dylan did not express discomfort directly to Joe about the idea. If boundaries had been stated, they wouldโve been respected, as they always are when clearly communicated.
To later describe this as triggering without having voiced any discomfort beforehand places the burden unfairly on Joe to anticipate private emotional associations he could not possibly have known.
ย 4. On โLying to His Fansโ and Commissions:
This point is true. Joe did say he would publicly refer to the animation as a commission, even though it was offered for free. This was not done to deceive maliciously, but to avoid drama within the self-ship community, where favoritism and perceived bias can lead to harassment or alienation. At the time, Joe was trying to protect both himself and Dylan from unwanted attention, not manipulate or mislead his audience for personal gain.
In hindsight, this wasnโt the best decision, and Joe acknowledges that it could have been handled more transparently. But the intent was rooted in avoiding unnecessary harassment and maintaining peace within the community, not exploitation.
5. The โIncorrectโ Commission and Animation Limitations:
Joe was given vague instructions at first, and later Dylan made more specific demands after work had already begun. Some requests, like kissing animations, are technically complex, not because they're impossible, but because redoing motion capture requires starting the entire animation process from scratch. Given that this was a free commission offered to make amends, Joe ultimately decided it wasnโt worth the significant time and effort to completely redo the mocap for that one detail. To imply the animation was โrushedโ or careless ignores the time, labor, and good faith Joe put into creating it, without any charge to Dylan.
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This situation ultimately boils down to a lack of clear communication, shifting boundaries, and a misalignment of expectations. Joe made every reasonable effort to clarify things, resolve concerns when they were brought up, and maintain professionalism even as Dylanโs tone turned accusatory and public. Rather than handling concerns privately, Dylan chose to misrepresent conversations, stir public outrage, and cause irreparable harm over what could have been resolved respectfully through honest dialogue.
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Contradictions Between DMs and Dylanโs Document
There is a clear and provable pattern of Dylan contradicting themselves:
- In DMs, Dylan gave Joe explicit permission to use their OC and even called it an honor.
- They later claimed they were pressured or manipulated, despite no sign of discomfort in early conversations.
- They said the document was "private," then admitted to giving it to developers.
- They claimed to not want drama, yet continued to spread their story on social media and discord servers.
These contradictions demonstrate why it is essential to show the full context, not just cropped screenshots or selective statements.
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Why Joe Stopped Working With Dylan
After several months, Joe received feedback from others in the fandom, including selfshippers and other artists, that using one specific selfship OC could cause issues of perceived favoritism, particularly due to his visibility in the Mouthwashing community.
Rather than risk alienating others or becoming the center of drama, Joe made the difficult decision to create his own OC: Eira. This decision was not out of dislike or dismissal of Dylan, but simply a choice to separate his work from personal ships to maintain professional boundaries.
Joe explained this clearly to Dylan, offering to continue providing model-swapped versions of his animations featuring their OC for private use, and even offered a free commission as a gesture of goodwill. Dylan agreed at the time.
On WLW Storytelling & Backlash
Eiraโs relationship with Anya was created to have fun exploring a romantic dynamic that wouldnโt have been possible with the other characters of Mouthwashing. The positive reception from fans reinforced Joeโs decision to continue making Eira x Anya videos, but it also led to jealousy and accusations from Dylan.
Dylan publicly expressed discomfort that Joeโs OC x Canon pairing (Eira x Anya) gained more traction than theirs. However, Joe cannot control public reception and should not be punished for simply creating content that many people happen to enjoy.
The idea that only certain creators are โallowedโ to make sapphic content is deeply exclusionary. While Joe is male and has chosen to keep his sexuality private out of concern for real-life repercussions, he has never claimed to represent the sapphic community as a whole. Eiraโs relationship with Anya was created to simply have fun exploring a romantic dynamic that wouldnโt have been possible with other characters of the existing crew.ย
General Notes on Communication & Responsibility
When collaborating, both parties must communicate clearly. Dylan never told Joe their OC needed to be flat-chested until after the model was already made. Once they did, Joe addressed it without hesitation.ย
Many of the things Dylan later expressed discomfort with, such as aspects of the model, content tone, or character interactions, were things they initially approved of or showed no issue with. These concerns were not communicated clearly or directly to Joe at the time, making it extremely difficult for him to respond or adjust appropriately.ย
Joe cannot read minds. He relies on open, honest communication, and instead was met with passive-aggressive behavior, guilt-tripping, and eventual public defamation rather than respectful, straightforward feedback.
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Dylanโs Troubling Pattern of Behavior Prior to Mouthwashing
As this situation has unfolded, numerous people, both from within and beyond the Mouthwashing community, have come forward with personal experiences that reflect long-standing patterns of manipulation, emotional abuse, and deception by Dylan. These testimonies paint a consistent picture of behavior that spans years, communities, and contexts, validating that Joeโs experience is not isolated.
ย 1. The "Beware: Dylan" Document
After Joe spoke publicly, a former friend of Dylanโs came forward with a document titled โBeware: Dylanโ, originally written in 2023. This document outlines disturbing behavioral patterns that mirror the ones Joe experienced, including:
- Harassment and stalking of community members, often bragged about openly.
- Financial manipulation, pressuring others (including minors) into buying him things, sometimes through coercion.
- Verbal abuse, boundary-crossing behavior, and emotional blackmail, including using mental illness as a scapegoat for harmful conduct.
- Inappropriate sexual behavior and false accusations, such as fabricating or exaggerating claims of rape and abuse, then using them to gain control or sympathy.
- Involvement of minors in NSFW spaces, including allowing a 12-year-old access to explicit content in his Discord server.
While some stories were relayed without screenshots due to them happening in person, the overall consistency, specificity, and emotional damage documented gives weight to the claims. This report alone shows a deep history of Dylan harming others and escaping accountability through deception.
2. Additional Personal Testimonies from Dylanโs Past
In response to Joeโs story, even more individuals from Dylanโs past,entirely unrelated to Mouthwashing, came forward with direct messages, adding further weight to the claims:
- Dylan reportedly mocked a grooming survivor, leaking their trauma to others despite requests for privacy.
- He allegedly falsified or twisted claims of rape, incest, and other abuseโoften contradicting previous stories to suit the narrative he wanted in each situation.
- Former friends say Dylan made baseless accusations, calling others pedophiles or zoophiles without evidence.
- Several individuals described being financially exploited, manipulated into giving Dylan money or gifts, even when they were struggling themselves.
- One artist recalled being coerced into creating NSFW artwork involving Dylanโs OC, out of fear theyโd be guilted for refusing.
- Repeated use of "alters" to deflect responsibility or make harmful statements (e.g., mocking survivors), with later denial of the behavior.
All of these stories, while coming from different places and time periods, echo the same patterns of behavior: emotional manipulation, fabrication, control, and harm:
3. The Statement from Dylanโs Private Server Members
Even more significantly, members of the very server where Dylan first spread the document targeting Joe have released a public apology and disavowal. Their statement included:
- A direct apology to Joe and the Mouthwashing developers, expressing regret for enabling and supporting Dylan.
- Acknowledgement that they spread misinformation, often without verification, under Dylanโs influence.
- Admission that Dylan lied about his age (claiming to be 21 when he was actually 17), and regularly weaponized mental health crises to manipulate his friends and maintain control of the situation.
- Confirmation that Dylan promised to stop escalating but continued posting publicly, including TikToks and Discord messages that worsened the harassment against Joe.
- The group's decision to completely cut ties with Dylan, stating that his behavior became so destructive that they could no longer defend or excuse it.
Their reflections show how even Dylanโs closest allies eventually recognized the manipulation and harm he was causing, not just to Joe, but to the entire Mouthwashing community.
Full Transparency: Discord DM Archive
Statement from Joetastic himself:
In the interest of complete transparency, I am releasing the full Discord DM history between myself and Dylan, unedited and timestamped, in both HTML format and a video scroll-through. I have nothing to hide.
These messages are being made public not to provoke drama, but to correct the record. I would not have shared these DMs under normal circumstances. However, Dylan chose to selectively leak private messages in their document and spread false claims through TikTok and other platforms. At that point, the context and truth were no longer safe in private.
By sharing the full logs, anyone can see:
- How tone and context were omitted in Dylanโs narrative.
- That many of Dylanโs claims are misleading or outright false.
- How I made repeated efforts to communicate respectfully, accommodate concerns, and resolve conflict.
- That key boundaries were never communicated until far too late, making many of their criticisms disingenuous in hindsight.
No sensitive third-party information is shown. Only the conversations between Dylan and me. This is not meant to shame, harass, or attack. It is simply here so people can see the full picture, and decide for themselves what actually happened.
Conclusion
What began as a creative collaboration between Joe and Dylan evolved into a deeply harmful and public smear campaign. One built on selective context, miscommunication, and a pattern of manipulative behavior that has now been exposed across multiple communities.
Dylanโs original claims have been thoroughly addressed, supported by screenshots, full message logs, and statements from others directly involved. But more than that, what this document now reveals is a clear, consistent pattern: Dylan has a long history of emotional manipulation, deflection, false accusations, and abuse. A pattern recognized not just by Joe, but by dozens of others who have independently come forward to speak out.
These voices, ranging from former friends, ex-partners, artists, and even Dylanโs own private server members, have offered accounts that match Joeโs experience almost exactly. They paint a picture of someone who repeatedly harms others, weaponizes trauma, and silences dissent through fear, guilt, or public outrage.
Joe did not ask for this conflict. He has stayed silent for as long as he could, hoping the situation would resolve quietly. But after being falsely accused, misrepresented, and publicly defamed, while also receiving harassment and emotional harm as a result, he made the difficult decision to speak up. This document is the result of that decision. It is not meant to destroy anyone, but to defend truthfully, with evidence, and without hiding behind half-truths or anonymity.
No one should have to prove they are not the villain in someone elseโs fantasy, but when reputations, safety, and emotional well-being are at risk, clarity matters. Transparency matters.
Joe has gone above and beyond to provide full context. Sharing every message, opening every conversation, and giving space to others who were affected by Dylan long before this situation began. In doing so, he has shown not only that he was falsely accused, but that he was one of many who were drawn into a harmful cycle of emotional abuse.
Let this document serve as both a defense and a warning. For those who were misled, manipulated, or pressured into taking sides: you are not the enemy. But now that the truth is here, itโs time to move forward with honesty, accountability, and compassion.
This document is being published not out of spite, but out of necessity. When lies and selective storytelling threaten a creatorโs career, reputation, and relationships, they have the right to speak up.
Joe remains open to peaceful resolution. But he will no longer tolerate misinformation or character assassination. He has worked hard to be respectful, creative, and honest in all his collaborations with others. If you have questions, please contact Joe directly. His goal is not to escalate, but to bring clarity to this whole situation.
A Personal Note from Joe
"Throughout this situation, Iโve received a lot of hate, harassment, dogpiling, and even death threats. I know much of it came from people who were misinformed, manipulated, or caught up in Dylan/anyamusumesonlywifeโs narrative. And honestly, I understand.
People were lied to. Context was taken away. Things were framed to make me look like a villain, and itโs easy to believe that when youโre only shown one side. I know what itโs like to trust someone who turns out to be harmful, and I donโt blame anyone for falling into that.
So I want to say this clearly: I forgive you.
If you were part of the private server where Dylan shared their document, if you said something cruel, if you shared their posts or believed their claims: I donโt hate you. Iโm not holding a grudge. If you want to apologize or be unblocked, youโre more than welcome to reach out. I donโt think youโre a bad person. I think you were in a bad situation, and I get that.
This whole thing has hurt a lot of people, including me. But I donโt want it to stay that way. If you want to move forward, I do too."