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i'm all out of vacation days

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wow it's crazy that GOT and SNK have never gotten an ending, anyway
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Sai's beef with Katei is SO funny

I'm not done yet so I hope it won't turn out they're both acting or something because they're the main comic relief right now. "Here's what I think happened. Someone, PROBABLY KATEI, used the elevator" the girls are fightingggg and he always starts it 😭 bro is 19 and beefing with the elderly 😭😭

I'd heard the characters weren't a bit plain compared to the mystery, and yes I can see it, but there is some meat here. I'm hooked

CHOICES?... IN MY VISUAL NOVEL???

"i'm so smart i turn myself on" close enough welcome back Erika Furudo

I hate how the conversation is monopolised by the male characters though. Can we give a CRUMB of dialogue and plot relevance to the likable single mother... I'm begging it's like she's not even here does she just stand there staring into empty space

Chapter 3 is so FUCKING BORING!!! Take me back to the ashiya tower NOW

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Sai's beef with Katei is SO funny

I'm not done yet so I hope it won't turn out they're both acting or something because they're the main comic relief right now. "Here's what I think happened. Someone, PROBABLY KATEI, used the elevator" the girls are fightingggg and he always starts it 😭 bro is 19 and beefing with the elderly 😭😭

I'd heard the characters weren't a bit plain compared to the mystery, and yes I can see it, but there is some meat here. I'm hooked

CHOICES?... IN MY VISUAL NOVEL???

"i'm so smart i turn myself on" close enough welcome back Erika Furudo

I hate how the conversation is monopolised by the male characters though. Can we give a CRUMB of dialogue and plot relevance to the likable single mother... I'm begging it's like she's not even here does she just stand there staring into empty space

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Sai's beef with Katei is SO funny

I'm not done yet so I hope it won't turn out they're both acting or something because they're the main comic relief right now. "Here's what I think happened. Someone, PROBABLY KATEI, used the elevator" the girls are fightingggg and he always starts it 😭 bro is 19 and beefing with the elderly 😭😭

I'd heard the characters weren't a bit plain compared to the mystery, and yes I can see it, but there is some meat here. I'm hooked

CHOICES?... IN MY VISUAL NOVEL???

"i'm so smart i turn myself on" close enough welcome back Erika Furudo

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Sai's beef with Katei is SO funny

I'm not done yet so I hope it won't turn out they're both acting or something because they're the main comic relief right now. "Here's what I think happened. Someone, PROBABLY KATEI, used the elevator" the girls are fightingggg and he always starts it 😭 bro is 19 and beefing with the elderly 😭😭

I'd heard the characters weren't a bit plain compared to the mystery, and yes I can see it, but there is some meat here. I'm hooked

CHOICES?... IN MY VISUAL NOVEL???

Sai's beef with Katei is SO funny

I'm not done yet so I hope it won't turn out they're both acting or something because they're the main comic relief right now. "Here's what I think happened. Someone, PROBABLY KATEI, used the elevator" the girls are fightingggg and he always starts it 😭 bro is 19 and beefing with the elderly 😭😭

I'd heard the characters weren't a bit plain compared to the mystery, and yes I can see it, but there is some meat here. I'm hooked

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i don't think there's any justification for umineko ep8 that doesn't trivialize the story's previous messages regarding abuse

I could write a whole thing about how Ryukishi is not the nuanced, tactful writer people think he is, and how his horrendous treatment of Kuwadorian Beatrice is absolutely misogynistic but I'll just leave this here

LMAOOOOOOO man fuck you.

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Interesting last post you have there~ ;) Apparently, Yasu is a psychopath. I'm saying apparently, cuz I don't wanna offend some bastards who treat Yasu like goddess. Well fuck that, you are right, maniacs are maniacs, not some depressed muthafuckin servants with no life. Whole Psycho/Yasu concept is one huge bullshit. Imo, Shion's Ryukishi's only psychopath who actually makes sense. Yasu. Psycho? Psycho my ass.

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Comparing Shion to Yasu is like comparing a ceramic vase to a plastic bowl. Shion’s character was done extremely well, you can see her reasons, you can empathize with her. Her answer arc explained everything clearly. Despite having hinamizawa syndrome her actions have reason backing them, she is by no means insane.

Ryukishi tried to replicate this with Yasu in Ep7, but it falls short. Yasu had more opportunities than Shion and consequently her actions are less excusable. Unlike Satoshi, Battler is not dead or missing or out of reach. He is ONE phone call away. Battler was only on bad terms with Rudolf, he’s fine with everyone else, even Kyrie. EVERYTHING can be avoided with a simple phone call.

Compare Yasu’s effort of waiting in vain with Shion’s investigation efforts and contacting police… Let’s just say I have much more love for Shion who actually exhausted all her options before resorting to murder.

I might do an in-depth character study on Yasu someday, but I’d prefer do that after Umineko Rei is released.

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This is in response to both averagenightsathome and akatokuro. I didn’t want to drag all the previous quotes along, but I’ll try and respond to everything. I’m glad that we can all have a drawn out discussion on the issues, which I think is one of the things Ryukishi wanted his readers to do.

I do believe that Kyrie harbours a lot of negative emotions towards Battler because of Asumu, but that is never displayed on the outside, so Yasu would have no way of knowing this. Even if the letter never reached Battler, she could have tried. There is an interesting point though, you’ve mentioned the matter of George having possibly hid the letter. Deviating from the topic a little, I raise the possibility of Kyrie having hid the letter, with logic along the lines of: Asumu stole a man away from me, and now Asumu’s son is trying to steal a girl (Yasu) away from someone else (George), so I’ll hide the letter. Then again it could very well be that there was no letter to begin with, Kyrie told Battler to write to the cousins, so he did.

According to Kanon’s dialogue in EP6, Genji is a father figure who Yasu both hates and loves. Kanon also thanks Genji for all that he has done. You can’t just focus on the hate alone. Plus, if we are to believe that Yasu attempted to carry out the twilights, there’s no doubt that Genji is her chief dead body removalist. If she can ask him for help then, why not when she finds the gold? We are shown Genji to be extremely obedient and royal to Yasu.

Yasu is also NOT trapped on the island, she has days off like any other servant. Natsuhi and Krauss think of her as just another servant. This is proven by her date with George in the Aquarium, and her going to Jessica’s concert as Kanon. She can take a train to visit Battler. It is also mentioned multiple times that she had enough wealth accumulated to move away, even before she discovered the gold.

I agree that Yasu’s low self-esteem is the largest problem. That is due to her circumstances and not her fault. However there is a large line between low self-esteem/depression, and being a mass murderer. Hence why I’m always attempting to find out just what kind of mental illness she has, as it is confirmed that there is no Rokkenjima syndrome.

On to Shion, on the subjects of Oyashiro-sama’s curse, she can trust no one. Not Mion, not Kasai. Her distrust and paranoia is what cause her to go on a killing spree. She fully believes that they will kill her for entering the secret shrine storage room. I can understand her perfectly.

For Yasu… what caused her to want to go and kill everyone? Even people like Maria? What good reason did she have for wanting to kill Jessica or George? If it was just the unfulfilled promise why not just kill herself and Battler? I can not see any logical sense in murdering the entire family. Depression is also not a reason, I mentioned in an earlier blog, depression causes a loss of energy so you really can’t carry out murders. 

I agree that there are outside influences against Yasu and Battler’s relationship, however that is nothing when compared to the outside influences against Yasu and George’s relationship. Yet Yasu was proactive in getting George’s love. She didn’t give up despite Eva’s taunting and treats, which must have been pretty terrifying. She had a massive amount of determination when it comes to George.

Akatokuro raises a valid point on Shion and Yasu having different goals, I really can’t argue against that. I’ll drop the Shion comparison. Your second paragraph on Yasu also cleared a lot of things up for me. However, by that definition, using a mystery game to try and make Battler remember would also be counted as interfering herself, taking away his chance to prove he remembered his promise on his own. Which she clearly intended to do. For me Yasu still raises a lot of key questions. Maybe you can help answer them.

  • Why kill innocent people who had nothing to do with it like Maria, Jessica, Hideyoshi, etc? Is a meek and timid person like Yasu who is afraid to approach others for help or make a phone call capable of murdering in premeditated cold blood?
  • Why the murder game if she doesn’t want to interfere? If Battler doesn’t remember then she’ll end up with George. What’s wrong with that? Even if Battler remembers there is no chance they’ll get together since she’ll be arrested. I cannot see any gain or logic for Yasu in doing this.
  • If she was determined that everyone was going to die from the start, then why should it matter if Battler remembers or not, or if the epitaph was solved or not?

There’s extreme conflict in her being timid and in her being a murderer. You don’t go from one to the other. The closest explanation I can find to date is bipolar disorder. Although Ryukishi is suggesting DID, which is impossible in Yasu’s case.

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This is in response to both averagenightsathome and akatokuro. I didn’t want to drag all the previous quotes along, but I’ll try and respond to everything. I’m glad that we can all have a drawn out discussion on the issues, which I think is one of the things Ryukishi wanted his readers to do.

I do believe that Kyrie harbours a lot of negative emotions towards Battler because of Asumu, but that is never displayed on the outside, so Yasu would have no way of knowing this. Even if the letter never reached Battler, she could have tried. There is an interesting point though, you’ve mentioned the matter of George having possibly hid the letter. Deviating from the topic a little, I raise the possibility of Kyrie having hid the letter, with logic along the lines of: Asumu stole a man away from me, and now Asumu’s son is trying to steal a girl (Yasu) away from someone else (George), so I’ll hide the letter. Then again it could very well be that there was no letter to begin with, Kyrie told Battler to write to the cousins, so he did.

According to Kanon’s dialogue in EP6, Genji is a father figure who Yasu both hates and loves. Kanon also thanks Genji for all that he has done. You can’t just focus on the hate alone. Plus, if we are to believe that Yasu attempted to carry out the twilights, there’s no doubt that Genji is her chief dead body removalist. If she can ask him for help then, why not when she finds the gold? We are shown Genji to be extremely obedient and royal to Yasu.

Yasu is also NOT trapped on the island, she has days off like any other servant. Natsuhi and Krauss think of her as just another servant. This is proven by her date with George in the Aquarium, and her going to Jessica’s concert as Kanon. She can take a train to visit Battler. It is also mentioned multiple times that she had enough wealth accumulated to move away, even before she discovered the gold.

I agree that Yasu’s low self-esteem is the largest problem. That is due to her circumstances and not her fault. However there is a large line between low self-esteem/depression, and being a mass murderer. Hence why I’m always attempting to find out just what kind of mental illness she has, as it is confirmed that there is no Rokkenjima syndrome.

On to Shion, on the subjects of Oyashiro-sama’s curse, she can trust no one. Not Mion, not Kasai. Her distrust and paranoia is what cause her to go on a killing spree. She fully believes that they will kill her for entering the secret shrine storage room. I can understand her perfectly.

For Yasu… what caused her to want to go and kill everyone? Even people like Maria? What good reason did she have for wanting to kill Jessica or George? If it was just the unfulfilled promise why not just kill herself and Battler? I can not see any logical sense in murdering the entire family. Depression is also not a reason, I mentioned in an earlier blog, depression causes a loss of energy so you really can’t carry out murders. 

I agree that there are outside influences against Yasu and Battler’s relationship, however that is nothing when compared to the outside influences against Yasu and George’s relationship. Yet Yasu was proactive in getting George’s love. She didn’t give up despite Eva’s taunting and treats, which must have been pretty terrifying. She had a massive amount of determination when it comes to George.

Akatokuro raises a valid point on Shion and Yasu having different goals, I really can’t argue against that. I’ll drop the Shion comparison. Your second paragraph on Yasu also cleared a lot of things up for me. However, by that definition, using a mystery game to try and make Battler remember would also be counted as interfering herself, taking away his chance to prove he remembered his promise on his own. Which she clearly intended to do. For me Yasu still raises a lot of key questions. Maybe you can help answer them.

  • Why kill innocent people who had nothing to do with it like Maria, Jessica, Hideyoshi, etc? Is a meek and timid person like Yasu who is afraid to approach others for help or make a phone call capable of murdering in premeditated cold blood?
  • Why the murder game if she doesn’t want to interfere? If Battler doesn’t remember then she’ll end up with George. What’s wrong with that? Even if Battler remembers there is no chance they’ll get together since she’ll be arrested. I cannot see any gain or logic for Yasu in doing this.
  • If she was determined that everyone was going to die from the start, then why should it matter if Battler remembers or not, or if the epitaph was solved or not?

There’s extreme conflict in her being timid and in her being a murderer. You don’t go from one to the other. The closest explanation I can find to date is bipolar disorder. Although Ryukishi is suggesting DID, which is impossible in Yasu’s case.

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Where the mother ends and the daughter begins

Maria was often criticized for her childish ways and lack of maturity, especially from her projecting mother who herself never felt like a grown woman. We're however forced to see that the line between mother and daughter was always blurred between those two. Every time Rosa lashes out, she apologies after like a child who made a mistake, she begs to be forgiven, she begs to not be hated. And like a child, she is terrified of punishment and does everything to avoid it, therefore never actually thinks about her own actions.

Maria grew up understanding her mother was someone to be soothed and managed, and all her life she did just that. Maria is fine because if she was not Mama would be distressed. Mama is sensitive. Mama is lost, she can't care for herself. Rosa doesn't control the witch inside her unlike Maria who could teach her. Maria finds solutions for her own pain to appease her mother's. Maria forgives her every single time because her mother is scared and needs to be reminded she will be loved no matter what. Maria cared for Rosa but not only, she comforted Battler, she comforted Beatrice, she loved and cared until she died and even after she then became Ange's guide. Like a parent should, she understood and forgave all those children, they don't know any better.

Umineko is so meta because it uses Rosa to make several points about toxic relationships and my unconditional love for Rosa is indeed the last thing pulling me back into this story and this isn't healthy for either of us

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i don't think there's any justification for umineko ep8 that doesn't trivialize the story's previous messages regarding abuse

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why does ange not being trapped in the past and having the will to build a future for herself have to include her taking responsibility for things that were never her fault to begin with. honey, you didn't "abandon" your warm memories. you were six. i barely have memories from when i was six. and for the love of god. ange never needed to call eva her mother (!), that was never a necessity, she didn't need to display a single ounce of affection towards eva when she was a child in order to not have been abused. whether it would have made their relationship easier or whatever, that's almost irrelevant since it's simply not a responsibility that you get to put on her anyway, you don't get to even imply that she's somehow responsible for the abuse she suffered, and it's bizarre that i'm having to say this obvious thing AAAAHHHH i feel like i'm losing my whole mind lmao it's completely possible to look at their life post-1986 and have empathy for eva as well (which is what i had been doing since episode 4?), though that doesn't include all the whitewashing and glossing over and needless over sentimentality episode 8 is doing. i do have so much affection for eva and it's hilarious that i'm having to come here and call nonsense for what it is cause the story is failing at the bare minimum this late into the game

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Just out of curiosity, what is it about the Umineko ending that you don't like?

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Oh @fedyaplushie, thank you so much for giving me an excuse to talk about this. Spoiler warnings for Umineko and Higurashi obviously. Very long post ahead! <3 I love talking about this game.

I would like to start by saying that a lot of my distaste for the ending comes from pretty subjective reasons. I don't really think I can make the argument that the ending is OBJECTIVELY bad, but simply that I do not care for it. There are undoubtedly areas where I think the visual novel could be improved, but ultimately what ruins it for me is the revelation of the "truth."

umineko fans are the original "if you don't like it you just didn't understand it" people. I genuinely cannot think of anyone more annoying and obnoxious, except SNK fans, except not even them, because in Umineko's case that behavior is enabled by the author himself. It's crazy how a story that spent hundreds of hours discussing the value in several coexisting interpetations will have both characters and fans turning around and tell you that actually you're completely wrong for thinking a certain way

The crazy part is they don't even realise how their smug attitude about being part of R07's very special club of people who "have love" and the superior way they act about holding the true answer are EXACTLY the Erika traits they criticise in readers who don't think like them. "He spells it out but you still cannot see it? Lol" "are there still people who can't accept the literal canon answer? lmfao" "you know you're exactly the goats r07 wrote about right?" (Because r07 is a god who cannot possibly be contradicted, this is supposed to be the worst insult somehow) (these fans cannot seem to decide who the goats are an analogy for, considering they'll scramble to say they only represent the story's witch hunters as a criticism of true crime fans when you call out r07's arrogance, yet they'll smugly tell you you're just a goat when you question the story itself. Thank you, it's nice to know that Ryukishi wrote about me, but that doesn't answer the fucking question, Brian)

It's incredibly ironic. How did a story like Umineko create and encourage so many people to sanctify one "official answer" and taking any other attempt as an insult?? Like is anyone feeling how ryu07 completely fucked up at what he was trying to do?

"So I won't open the catbox and reveal what actually happened on the island." oh, that's cool, I actually really like that! I agree that ultimately the true events of that day are a pretty trivial part of the story, and it's way more interesting not to know - "anyway it's Rudolf and Kyrie and it happened exactly like so and so, and Shkanontrice did this and that".

... Okay, well I really wish that had remained a mystery forever, since the point was that any truth would've been anticlimatic, and the choice to reveal that genuinely kills a lot of what made Umineko's appeal to me, but I guess we can still have fun with EP1-4 and try several alternative theories for the sequence of events- "here's the manga explaining everything in detail and if you didn't get it have you tried maybe having some more love? It would be sooo clear if you had love lmfao. you literally cannot comprehend my work unless you have"

... I really wish that guy would stop making assumptions about the inner mind of complete strangers who read his work, but I do enjoy getting to choose an ending! it really fits in with Umineko's theme of choosing the truth for yourself and making your own path that you can be happy with, as long as you keep thinking- "the Magic ending is meant to be the true end btw. if you prefer the other one you pretty much have no heart lol, it's obviously framed like a bad ending and there's only one acceptable choice and one way ange can find happiness"

... man, I'm so bored. Why write a game like that and then make it so that some choices are better than others instead of letting people think for themselves? Why would you force an interpretation on people/Ange when I've been led to believe that the narrative was against that sort of things? You want to highlight the value in your vision of "magic", fine, but why am I the heartless bitch for disliking that perspective and even trying to see things differently?

Why would you write a whole game around the really fun concept of several tales happening at the same time and the existence of endless truths inside the same catbox only to open the catbox and tell me "NO, you need to think a certain way, and if you don't like my answer FUCK YOU"

I understand that maybe he just had a specific answer in mind but I'm sorry the way he write the ending simply does not match the vision he seemed to have in the earlier chapters.

I genuinely respect Umineko as a work, I think it's one of the most ambitious stories I've seen and there is some amazing writing in there, but if Ryukishi wanted to allow for people to keep thinking and discussing what it means, he has failed miserably and I'm not talking about confession of the golden witch, I'm talking about the way he and his minions have shut down any possible discussion under the guise of "you just don't get it" (rephrased to "you don't have love" to make it sound more enlightened) and it's soured my enjoyment of something that should've been an amazing story. What is even left to discuss here when everyone has pretty much already made up their mind?

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