I feel like one of the things I don't see get mentioned a whole lot in the discussions of r/df/ms and why their rhetoric is harmful is that...intentionally or not, it comes across that they just. Hate women.
In addition to "men aren't capable of being nice, the best we can do is separate completely" (unhelpful and cynical doomer-ism), and "women are inherently more [insert quality here] and are much more well-suited to [x role]" (unhelpful and gender essentialist), and the frequent purity politics they seem to embroil themselves in and how a lot of them make being transphobic the most visible part of their identity (<-which in and of itself necessitates an entirely separate post based on how widespread and insidious of an issue it is)...
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen a self-labeled r/df/m call women married to men "handmaidens" (as if that's not a direct reference to a group of fictional women who were literally legally designated as "baby-makers with no personal identity"). Or suggest that bi women and straight women* are Inherently Tainted by their association with men (sometimes regardless of whether or not these women are even dating or have ever dated men in the first place???), which is. You know. Exactly what misogynistic sects of Christianity say about any woman who ever has sex. Or decry some random woman as "being available to men" (as if that's not exactly what entitled misogynistic men think about every woman). Or suggest that ONLY women like THEM are truly enlightened, every OTHER woman is STUPID and BRAINWASHED, she doesn't know what she wants she can't make any decisions for herself but *I* can because *I'm* not like THOSE women I'm NOT LIKE OTHER (frivolous, stupid, shallow, vapid, slutty) GIRLS.
Like this is literally just misogyny again.
PLEASE tell me you understand how this is just misogyny again.
*and it's absolutely not only lesbians who say this, plenty of women with other identities who identify as r/df/ms do this too--internalized prejudice is a very, very real thing