realizing i am essentially a god presiding over my creations. and i choose to put them in chaotic situations. anyways heres me picking one up

It's an endless internal battle but I'll keep trying to just live my life

This is the most relatable meme I've seen lately

Telemachus's life post-Odyssey has the potential to be so funny bc bro is suddenly going from the son of, essentially, a single mom to the son of two VERY in-love middle aged sweethearts who never had to learn boundaries about what is/isn't appropriate to say around their kid.

Penelope: I knew that "beggar" was you the whole time, you know.

Odysseus, laughing: Oh, really?

Penelope: You can disguise a lot of things, but I'd know that ass anywhere.

Telemachus: I am begging you guys to keep it in your pants for ONE family dinner.

Personally I think Ody already knew Eury opened the wind bag, initially bc there's just something about his tone and the way Ody cut him off in the beginning of Puppeteer that felt... deliberate? But it's also mirrored in Scylla and Mutiny

It's just a little thing in Scylla but when Eury first tries to confess in Puppeteer Ody gives him a task instead "go check out the island" vs "light up six torches" instead of talking about it, like he's avoiding it

But more prominently is "whatever you have to say can wait some more of this I'm sure" sounds to me like "don't tell me. If you don't tell me we can pretend I don't know and I don't have to do anything about it. Lie to me (by omission)" vs Eury's "tell me you did not know that would happen" and "then you have forced my hand" while said in anger can also totally be ready similarly. I've already seen others talk about how he was basically begging Ody to lie to him so like, "lie to me so I don't have to do anything about it" again

(whether or not Eury would've been able to play along, assuming he did want that, I don't know, and ig we'll never know)

Also Ody's total lack of reaction. Sure Scylla had "leaving them feeling betrayed" but having it said out loud could still sting. It could also be a "I thought we had a deal to not talking about that" type betrayal.

Anyway many thoughts head full

Okay so, personally, I think that in some way it could be true that he figured it out and that Ody knew before Eury confessed it to him.

But also in the "Scylla" song as Eury says "I've opened the windbag while you were asleep" we can hear like a sudden "dun" sound, as if this information hit Ody in some way

Still, it could be like the person wrote that he could knew, but it just hurts to hear it outloud.

Anyway, what I think is interesting in this is that is that I don't think Ody would be as shocked. We can hear it in his voice as he commands Eury to light up the torches. Like.. this unbotherness in it is kinda.. eerie. Also his lack of response to Eury's apology- I don't think it's caused by the shock of finding out. I think it's caused by shame.

Here Eury is apologising to him, not aware of what's about to come. Imagine the kind of pressure and shame, the stress inside Ody's head that he's bottling up, trying to numb himself out to be able to complete his sacrificial plan. "Leaving them feeling betrayed" doesn't point to Eury's mistake. It points to Ody's secret plan and the guilt that he's feeling deep down yet repressing 'cause "what if I'm the one who killed you, every time I caved to guilt" and also "If I became a monster and threw that guilt away" (Monster song)

Which is kinda ironic because in this song it indicates that Ody is willing to change his ways and become less remorseful/merciful to save his men and himself ("If I became the monster to everyone but us") yet as the time passes he becomes more and more desperete to get HIMSELF back home, to his wife and son. (" Please don't do this (...) I need to get home"- Mutiny)

He's so desperate that he's willing to even turn against his own crew members, sacrificing few for the "greater good". ("You miss your wife so bad, you trade the lives of your own crew" and "I am not letting you get in my way" - also Mutiny)

Tbh I have a lot more to talk about here but it would be going off topic haha

I just love analysing lyrics of the songs in this musical as it's so fascinating to see these seemingly harmless phrases starting to make a whole picture as you put them together- like a puzzle! The way the lyrics are so open for many many interpretations is such a cool thing. Jorge is a lyrics genius <3

So I def agree with you here (especially the shame and repressed guilt it's all just so *waves hands around* you get it) but I just wanna point out rq that many lyrics in this show have double meanings

The most iconic of which (imo) is the first appearance of "when does a man become a monster" in just a man

The obvious meaning there is about Ody. Does he become a monster for killing the baby? Or for failing to save his loved ones? (The answer is yes (/hj there are no good options there))

But it's also about the baby! The baby's (whose name I can't remember) destiny is set, so when does he become the monster?

You can also see this in the other lyrics in this part ("when does a comet become become a meteor? when does a candle become a blaze?" When does this small/harmless thing become dangerous? Vs "when does a ripple become a tidal wave? when does the reason become the blame?" When do the consequences outweigh the action?)

So yeah, "leaving them feeling betrayed" does refer to Ody betraying his crew, but frankly that's the obvious meaning so I didn't think I'd need to mention it

But Eury is also confessing to a betrayal, it refers to both

That is true! That's why I love all the songs' lyrics. They are just so open for multiple interpretations and it's exciting to see all of the ideas people are sharing here <3

Also, I love your "Im just a man" lyrics interpretation (one of my fav songs)- although I had the similiar thoughts about the main part/chorus, I never really put much focus on how it also referes to a baby. I love it!

Thanks for the reblog/response and have a wonderful day/night <3

Personally I think Ody already knew Eury opened the wind bag, initially bc there's just something about his tone and the way Ody cut him off in the beginning of Puppeteer that felt... deliberate? But it's also mirrored in Scylla and Mutiny

It's just a little thing in Scylla but when Eury first tries to confess in Puppeteer Ody gives him a task instead "go check out the island" vs "light up six torches" instead of talking about it, like he's avoiding it

But more prominently is "whatever you have to say can wait some more of this I'm sure" sounds to me like "don't tell me. If you don't tell me we can pretend I don't know and I don't have to do anything about it. Lie to me (by omission)" vs Eury's "tell me you did not know that would happen" and "then you have forced my hand" while said in anger can also totally be ready similarly. I've already seen others talk about how he was basically begging Ody to lie to him so like, "lie to me so I don't have to do anything about it" again

(whether or not Eury would've been able to play along, assuming he did want that, I don't know, and ig we'll never know)

Also Ody's total lack of reaction. Sure Scylla had "leaving them feeling betrayed" but having it said out loud could still sting. It could also be a "I thought we had a deal to not talking about that" type betrayal.

Anyway many thoughts head full

Okay so, personally, I think that in some way it could be true that he figured it out and that Ody knew before Eury confessed it to him.

But also in the "Scylla" song as Eury says "I've opened the windbag while you were asleep" we can hear like a sudden "dun" sound, as if this information hit Ody in some way

Still, it could be like the person wrote that he could knew, but it just hurts to hear it outloud.

Anyway, what I think is interesting in this is that is that I don't think Ody would be as shocked. We can hear it in his voice as he commands Eury to light up the torches. Like.. this unbotherness in it is kinda.. eerie. Also his lack of response to Eury's apology- I don't think it's caused by the shock of finding out. I think it's caused by shame.

Here Eury is apologising to him, not aware of what's about to come. Imagine the kind of pressure and shame, the stress inside Ody's head that he's bottling up, trying to numb himself out to be able to complete his sacrificial plan. "Leaving them feeling betrayed" doesn't point to Eury's mistake. It points to Ody's secret plan and the guilt that he's feeling deep down yet repressing 'cause "what if I'm the one who killed you, every time I caved to guilt" and also "If I became a monster and threw that guilt away" (Monster song)

Which is kinda ironic because in this song it indicates that Ody is willing to change his ways and become less remorseful/merciful to save his men and himself ("If I became the monster to everyone but us") yet as the time passes he becomes more and more desperete to get HIMSELF back home, to his wife and son. (" Please don't do this (...) I need to get home"- Mutiny)

He's so desperate that he's willing to even turn against his own crew members, sacrificing few for the "greater good". ("You miss your wife so bad, you trade the lives of your own crew" and "I am not letting you get in my way" - also Mutiny)

Tbh I have a lot more to talk about here but it would be going off topic haha

I just love analysing lyrics of the songs in this musical as it's so fascinating to see these seemingly harmless phrases starting to make a whole picture as you put them together- like a puzzle! The way the lyrics are so open for many many interpretations is such a cool thing. Jorge is a lyrics genius <3

Odysseus vibes