and who would say no? 😌 i love this silly meme so i had to do caitlyn and vi version

what if we fell in love in MacroData Refinement department but we were lesbians

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

False, actually! Vik and Jayce at the end of season 1 decide to destroy 1) the hammer, and 2) the Hexcore. Two specific Hextech inventions. At no point do they decide Hextech itself was wrong to pursue.

Remember the terms for Zaun's independence? One very important one was giving Zaun "unrestricted access to the Hexgates."

The reason Hextech was a problem in season 1 was because its benefits and the wealth it generated was entirely held by the upper class. Zaun received ZERO benefit from it. That was the whole problem, and it's why Silco put access to Hextech in his terms for independence.

Jayce and Viktor realized THAT at the end of Season 1, and sought to correct it with a peace deal to share the hexgates

Hello, friend. Those are what I would refer to as “warning signs.” By the end of Season 1, both Viktor and Jayce had killed someone as a result of their obsession over hextech. Both had been warned about the dangers, and both ignored the warnings and continued anyway and death was the result.

By the end of season 1 they are preparing to wind down. They’re going to get rid of Hextech weapons and the hexcore, yes. That’s a pretty solid start about why Hextech is dangerous and bad.

Season 2 CONTINUES this theme and explores the other ways hextech and their ambition to use it was bad. From the unintentionally poisoning of the people of Zaun through toxic run off, to the creation of more Hextech weaponry.

If Jinx hadn’t blown up the council building we would’ve likely had seen them winding DOWN from using hextech so recklessly. That includes sharing it with Zaun btw.

The whole thesis of the initial post is that the “message” of Season 2 is that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And that’s just NOT TRUE because Season 1 already gave us many reasons for why Hextech and the ambition and ego behind Viktor and Jayce were corruptible and BAD. You can’t ignore all the shit Jayce and Viktor did in season 1 and just chalk it up to “it was just because of power imbalances.” No it fucking wasn’t. It was EGO. It was LEGACY. It was RECKLESS use of the tech with NO REGARD for the consequences. It was BYPASSING SAFETY REGULATIONS to please shareholders.

The message of Arcane season 2 isn’t that Viktor was better off not dreaming of helping people. But that creating Hextech and pushing it through without regard for how it affects people or how it could be corrupted is DANGEROUS.

Helping people wasn’t the problem. Their fucking EGOS were the problem. <- all of that is in Season 1, by the way. Season 2 just continued where Season 1 left off.

Yes their desire to improve things quickly and secure legacies etc etc are the mistakes they made, and they both realize those were mistakes at the end of season 1. The culmination of their fuck ups was to resolve to destroy Hextech weaponry and the Hexcore. The two inventions that symbolized those flaws. They learned, and changed for the better.

I dont think we can say they would have wound down Hextech per se. If Jinx never launched the rocket it's more likely they would just have more safeguards in development, and Jayce would fight tooth and nail to keep Hextech from being developed into weapons after accidentally killing a child with it. The Hexgates would have stayed in operation.

We don't need to go into everything season 2 has to say about Hextech being bad, because it's obvious that that is what the season wanted to say. The pollution and anomaly were entirely S2.

The reason S2 seems to say that Viktor would have been better off without his dream to help people is because of the inevitability of his rise to power. He pursues Hextech because of his dream to help people, and then In every universe where Hextech is invented, he goes crazy and ends the world.

There is no universe, apparently, where Viktor and Jayce actually help people. Regardless of their choices. The best thing they can do for the world, in any timeline, is die. And considering how much we were invited to root for them, I find that awful.

That’s why you can’t look at Hextech as just technology. It’s literally magic. Magic in league is special. It has its own wants and desires. Viktor and Jayce could’ve helped people, just NOT with Hextech. Hextech was ALWAYS the problem. Not their dreams. Their dreams were fine. Noble even. It’s the fact that they married Hextech with it that there’s a problem.

The pollution and the anomaly aren’t entirely season 2 either. Hextech was influencing Viktor as early as S1E5 when it was giving him visions. And we see in that same scene the waste of the hexgate being swapped out. That stuff always existed in the show, it just came to a head in season 2.

The tragedy of Viktor and Jayce is that they chose Hextech to pursue instead of more grounded efforts to make change and improve the lives of others. They let their egos take over and the magic of the arcane consumed them. That’s the real message of their stories. Viktor was never broken. Not in his mind. He could’ve spent more time focusing on helping others, instead of… everything he ultimately does in the show across both seasons. But he was too consumed by his legacy and illness, which caused him to obsess and make bad decisions. Viktor was not the problem. It’s Hextech that was the problem.

It's magic! Exactly! The writers were not limited by logic, or rules of any kind. They weren't even restricted to follow league lore, since they already retconned Hextech's origins, who invented it, and how it works right off the bat in season 1.

If the writers wanted, they could have written anything else. But they chose to make Hextech this inherently corrupt, mind controlling, world-ending threat that removes all agency from two fan favourite characters. It's just shallow story-telling.

And if there was a universe where Viktor and Jayce live happily and save lives without inventing Hextech, why did all-powerful future Viktor not try to create THAT timeline? We can only conclude it was impossible.

To these writers, Viktor and Jayce existed for no other reason than to tell a cautionary tale about the dangers of reaching above your station. They dared to dream of giving magic (power) to people who weren't born with it, so they had to die.

Magic is never JUST magic in a story.

Yeah? That’s… kinda how a cautionary tale works?

Arcane is a tragedy.

It’s about people letting their egos and inability to work together divide them apart. It’s about people making bad decisions and how one or two bad decisions can affect millions. It’s about how working together in communities and through mutual understanding that TRUE progress actually happens. Technology for technology’s sake never ends well.

I… I don’t see what the problem is here. From your description of issues it seems less like the writers did something wrong and more that you just hate the GENRE the show is using.

Pretty weak criticisms tbh…

You're still ignoring the point that their decisions DIDN'T matter. Because of the multiple timeline bullshit.

The enjoyment of tragedy is in seeing characters make poor choices because of their character flaws, and how delicious/painful it is to watch them do the wrong things over and over because of who they are, and we see where the tragedy could have been avoided.

In a tragedy we should be able to point to specific scenes and say "look! If they just did this ONE thing differently here, it all would have been fine! The tragedy could have been avoided!"

Like Jayce revealing his prejudice against the Undercity to Viktor at the worst moment on the bridge, and Vik decided to hide the vial of shimmer and experiment on his own. Leading to Sky's death.

Season two completely removes the significance of that scene. That moment on the bridge didn't matter, actually. It was always doomed to end the exact same way, whether Vik told Jayce about the shimmer, or not. A timeline exists where they worked on the Hexcore together, and followed every safeguard, but it changed nothing.

Season 1 was a tragedy. Season 2 took that tragedy and spit on it. "What could have been" became "What could never have been"

I don’t think you know what a tragedy is. They were DOOMED from when Jayce was a CHILD. When Viktor saved him from the snowstorm. In that moment Jayce got a dream to use Hextech. From that moment on, they were doomed.

And they were doomed in Arcane too, btw. Jayce’s initial pleas to get Viktor to stop what he was doing fell on deaf ears and Jayce succumbed to the hive mind.

It was EKKO who changed things. Who was able to break free of the doomed plot that Jayce and Viktor had set everyone else on. Because Ekko actually cared about people and not his ego. He did things to help people. His use of Hextech not only saved the world, but he also chose to destroy it because that’s the type of person Ekko is.

If Ekko hadn’t intervened then Jayce wouldn’t have been able to finally break through to Viktor and talk him down. Connection to the human is the important thing. Not the technology. The technology was bad. Even Ekko’s tech could’ve been perverted into something truly dangerous and awful in the wrong hands.

Like, are you familiar with Greek tragedy? So much of this show is drawing on classic forms of tragedy. Green tragedy in particular often the characters know where they will end up and the tragedy is that they still choose to follow that path anyway.

I genuinely don’t know what you want out of this story. It sounds like you just don’t want anything bad to happen to your favorite characters and if that’s the case I’m sorry to say you’re in the wrong place for that.

I dunno how I can make my point clearer. Their choices didn't matter and that is shitty. Viktor and Jayce had no AGENCY.

"the tragedy is that they know where they will end up and the tragedy is that they still choose to follow that path anyway."

I dunno how this relates. Jayce had NO clue that his dream was rotten from the start. That was all S2. Viktor being the mage that saved him was S2. Viktor's entire character being stripped away by the Hexcore was S2.

They had no choices! No off ramp! There was no path they could choose to follow or not, no ability to influence what happened. That fucking sucks! I've said it several times now. I'd have no problem with their ending if it was their flaws and decisions that led to disaster, but Hextech mind control multiverse shenanigans took that away. And the implications we are left with is just.. they should never have wanted more than what they were given. And even Jayce's dream for more was manufactured for him!!!

(Honestly the more you're making me think about this the more I hate what S2 did to them)

Its not complicated. I think the story they chose to tell with these characters in S2 was lame. I think removing their agency is lame. I think Multiverse shit is lame.

You can like it, but I don't.

Sounds like you just hate storytelling and League of Legends then.

Cuz like… multiverse is league lore. Fate and destiny and magic stripping away agency is league lore. It’s all pretty common stuff in league.

Caitlyn: I'm putting together an elite task force composed of the best and brightest of the Enforcers.

Council: Ooh, interesting!

Caitlyn: It's two literal new recruits, a random drunk guy we found, and my Very Angry girlfriend.

Council: I see no problems with this.

I mean… that’s literally a plot point?

Ambessa calls out Sallow for allowing “a child to take control of your council.”

Caitlyn’s namesake as a Kiramman allows her to get away with so much. And she used it there in that meeting. It’s what clues Ambessa into the idea that she could use Caitlyn as a puppet for her own schemes.

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

False, actually! Vik and Jayce at the end of season 1 decide to destroy 1) the hammer, and 2) the Hexcore. Two specific Hextech inventions. At no point do they decide Hextech itself was wrong to pursue.

Remember the terms for Zaun's independence? One very important one was giving Zaun "unrestricted access to the Hexgates."

The reason Hextech was a problem in season 1 was because its benefits and the wealth it generated was entirely held by the upper class. Zaun received ZERO benefit from it. That was the whole problem, and it's why Silco put access to Hextech in his terms for independence.

Jayce and Viktor realized THAT at the end of Season 1, and sought to correct it with a peace deal to share the hexgates

Hello, friend. Those are what I would refer to as “warning signs.” By the end of Season 1, both Viktor and Jayce had killed someone as a result of their obsession over hextech. Both had been warned about the dangers, and both ignored the warnings and continued anyway and death was the result.

By the end of season 1 they are preparing to wind down. They’re going to get rid of Hextech weapons and the hexcore, yes. That’s a pretty solid start about why Hextech is dangerous and bad.

Season 2 CONTINUES this theme and explores the other ways hextech and their ambition to use it was bad. From the unintentionally poisoning of the people of Zaun through toxic run off, to the creation of more Hextech weaponry.

If Jinx hadn’t blown up the council building we would’ve likely had seen them winding DOWN from using hextech so recklessly. That includes sharing it with Zaun btw.

The whole thesis of the initial post is that the “message” of Season 2 is that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And that’s just NOT TRUE because Season 1 already gave us many reasons for why Hextech and the ambition and ego behind Viktor and Jayce were corruptible and BAD. You can’t ignore all the shit Jayce and Viktor did in season 1 and just chalk it up to “it was just because of power imbalances.” No it fucking wasn’t. It was EGO. It was LEGACY. It was RECKLESS use of the tech with NO REGARD for the consequences. It was BYPASSING SAFETY REGULATIONS to please shareholders.

The message of Arcane season 2 isn’t that Viktor was better off not dreaming of helping people. But that creating Hextech and pushing it through without regard for how it affects people or how it could be corrupted is DANGEROUS.

Helping people wasn’t the problem. Their fucking EGOS were the problem. <- all of that is in Season 1, by the way. Season 2 just continued where Season 1 left off.

Yes their desire to improve things quickly and secure legacies etc etc are the mistakes they made, and they both realize those were mistakes at the end of season 1. The culmination of their fuck ups was to resolve to destroy Hextech weaponry and the Hexcore. The two inventions that symbolized those flaws. They learned, and changed for the better.

I dont think we can say they would have wound down Hextech per se. If Jinx never launched the rocket it's more likely they would just have more safeguards in development, and Jayce would fight tooth and nail to keep Hextech from being developed into weapons after accidentally killing a child with it. The Hexgates would have stayed in operation.

We don't need to go into everything season 2 has to say about Hextech being bad, because it's obvious that that is what the season wanted to say. The pollution and anomaly were entirely S2.

The reason S2 seems to say that Viktor would have been better off without his dream to help people is because of the inevitability of his rise to power. He pursues Hextech because of his dream to help people, and then In every universe where Hextech is invented, he goes crazy and ends the world.

There is no universe, apparently, where Viktor and Jayce actually help people. Regardless of their choices. The best thing they can do for the world, in any timeline, is die. And considering how much we were invited to root for them, I find that awful.

That’s why you can’t look at Hextech as just technology. It’s literally magic. Magic in league is special. It has its own wants and desires. Viktor and Jayce could’ve helped people, just NOT with Hextech. Hextech was ALWAYS the problem. Not their dreams. Their dreams were fine. Noble even. It’s the fact that they married Hextech with it that there’s a problem.

The pollution and the anomaly aren’t entirely season 2 either. Hextech was influencing Viktor as early as S1E5 when it was giving him visions. And we see in that same scene the waste of the hexgate being swapped out. That stuff always existed in the show, it just came to a head in season 2.

The tragedy of Viktor and Jayce is that they chose Hextech to pursue instead of more grounded efforts to make change and improve the lives of others. They let their egos take over and the magic of the arcane consumed them. That’s the real message of their stories. Viktor was never broken. Not in his mind. He could’ve spent more time focusing on helping others, instead of… everything he ultimately does in the show across both seasons. But he was too consumed by his legacy and illness, which caused him to obsess and make bad decisions. Viktor was not the problem. It’s Hextech that was the problem.

It's magic! Exactly! The writers were not limited by logic, or rules of any kind. They weren't even restricted to follow league lore, since they already retconned Hextech's origins, who invented it, and how it works right off the bat in season 1.

If the writers wanted, they could have written anything else. But they chose to make Hextech this inherently corrupt, mind controlling, world-ending threat that removes all agency from two fan favourite characters. It's just shallow story-telling.

And if there was a universe where Viktor and Jayce live happily and save lives without inventing Hextech, why did all-powerful future Viktor not try to create THAT timeline? We can only conclude it was impossible.

To these writers, Viktor and Jayce existed for no other reason than to tell a cautionary tale about the dangers of reaching above your station. They dared to dream of giving magic (power) to people who weren't born with it, so they had to die.

Magic is never JUST magic in a story.

Yeah? That’s… kinda how a cautionary tale works?

Arcane is a tragedy.

It’s about people letting their egos and inability to work together divide them apart. It’s about people making bad decisions and how one or two bad decisions can affect millions. It’s about how working together in communities and through mutual understanding that TRUE progress actually happens. Technology for technology’s sake never ends well.

I… I don’t see what the problem is here. From your description of issues it seems less like the writers did something wrong and more that you just hate the GENRE the show is using.

Pretty weak criticisms tbh…

You're still ignoring the point that their decisions DIDN'T matter. Because of the multiple timeline bullshit.

The enjoyment of tragedy is in seeing characters make poor choices because of their character flaws, and how delicious/painful it is to watch them do the wrong things over and over because of who they are, and we see where the tragedy could have been avoided.

In a tragedy we should be able to point to specific scenes and say "look! If they just did this ONE thing differently here, it all would have been fine! The tragedy could have been avoided!"

Like Jayce revealing his prejudice against the Undercity to Viktor at the worst moment on the bridge, and Vik decided to hide the vial of shimmer and experiment on his own. Leading to Sky's death.

Season two completely removes the significance of that scene. That moment on the bridge didn't matter, actually. It was always doomed to end the exact same way, whether Vik told Jayce about the shimmer, or not. A timeline exists where they worked on the Hexcore together, and followed every safeguard, but it changed nothing.

Season 1 was a tragedy. Season 2 took that tragedy and spit on it. "What could have been" became "What could never have been"

I don’t think you know what a tragedy is. They were DOOMED from when Jayce was a CHILD. When Viktor saved him from the snowstorm. In that moment Jayce got a dream to use Hextech. From that moment on, they were doomed.

And they were doomed in Arcane too, btw. Jayce’s initial pleas to get Viktor to stop what he was doing fell on deaf ears and Jayce succumbed to the hive mind.

It was EKKO who changed things. Who was able to break free of the doomed plot that Jayce and Viktor had set everyone else on. Because Ekko actually cared about people and not his ego. He did things to help people. His use of Hextech not only saved the world, but he also chose to destroy it because that’s the type of person Ekko is.

If Ekko hadn’t intervened then Jayce wouldn’t have been able to finally break through to Viktor and talk him down. Connection to the human is the important thing. Not the technology. The technology was bad. Even Ekko’s tech could’ve been perverted into something truly dangerous and awful in the wrong hands.

Like, are you familiar with Greek tragedy? So much of this show is drawing on classic forms of tragedy. Green tragedy in particular often the characters know where they will end up and the tragedy is that they still choose to follow that path anyway.

I genuinely don’t know what you want out of this story. It sounds like you just don’t want anything bad to happen to your favorite characters and if that’s the case I’m sorry to say you’re in the wrong place for that.

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

False, actually! Vik and Jayce at the end of season 1 decide to destroy 1) the hammer, and 2) the Hexcore. Two specific Hextech inventions. At no point do they decide Hextech itself was wrong to pursue.

Remember the terms for Zaun's independence? One very important one was giving Zaun "unrestricted access to the Hexgates."

The reason Hextech was a problem in season 1 was because its benefits and the wealth it generated was entirely held by the upper class. Zaun received ZERO benefit from it. That was the whole problem, and it's why Silco put access to Hextech in his terms for independence.

Jayce and Viktor realized THAT at the end of Season 1, and sought to correct it with a peace deal to share the hexgates

Hello, friend. Those are what I would refer to as “warning signs.” By the end of Season 1, both Viktor and Jayce had killed someone as a result of their obsession over hextech. Both had been warned about the dangers, and both ignored the warnings and continued anyway and death was the result.

By the end of season 1 they are preparing to wind down. They’re going to get rid of Hextech weapons and the hexcore, yes. That’s a pretty solid start about why Hextech is dangerous and bad.

Season 2 CONTINUES this theme and explores the other ways hextech and their ambition to use it was bad. From the unintentionally poisoning of the people of Zaun through toxic run off, to the creation of more Hextech weaponry.

If Jinx hadn’t blown up the council building we would’ve likely had seen them winding DOWN from using hextech so recklessly. That includes sharing it with Zaun btw.

The whole thesis of the initial post is that the “message” of Season 2 is that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And that’s just NOT TRUE because Season 1 already gave us many reasons for why Hextech and the ambition and ego behind Viktor and Jayce were corruptible and BAD. You can’t ignore all the shit Jayce and Viktor did in season 1 and just chalk it up to “it was just because of power imbalances.” No it fucking wasn’t. It was EGO. It was LEGACY. It was RECKLESS use of the tech with NO REGARD for the consequences. It was BYPASSING SAFETY REGULATIONS to please shareholders.

The message of Arcane season 2 isn’t that Viktor was better off not dreaming of helping people. But that creating Hextech and pushing it through without regard for how it affects people or how it could be corrupted is DANGEROUS.

Helping people wasn’t the problem. Their fucking EGOS were the problem. <- all of that is in Season 1, by the way. Season 2 just continued where Season 1 left off.

Yes their desire to improve things quickly and secure legacies etc etc are the mistakes they made, and they both realize those were mistakes at the end of season 1. The culmination of their fuck ups was to resolve to destroy Hextech weaponry and the Hexcore. The two inventions that symbolized those flaws. They learned, and changed for the better.

I dont think we can say they would have wound down Hextech per se. If Jinx never launched the rocket it's more likely they would just have more safeguards in development, and Jayce would fight tooth and nail to keep Hextech from being developed into weapons after accidentally killing a child with it. The Hexgates would have stayed in operation.

We don't need to go into everything season 2 has to say about Hextech being bad, because it's obvious that that is what the season wanted to say. The pollution and anomaly were entirely S2.

The reason S2 seems to say that Viktor would have been better off without his dream to help people is because of the inevitability of his rise to power. He pursues Hextech because of his dream to help people, and then In every universe where Hextech is invented, he goes crazy and ends the world.

There is no universe, apparently, where Viktor and Jayce actually help people. Regardless of their choices. The best thing they can do for the world, in any timeline, is die. And considering how much we were invited to root for them, I find that awful.

That’s why you can’t look at Hextech as just technology. It’s literally magic. Magic in league is special. It has its own wants and desires. Viktor and Jayce could’ve helped people, just NOT with Hextech. Hextech was ALWAYS the problem. Not their dreams. Their dreams were fine. Noble even. It’s the fact that they married Hextech with it that there’s a problem.

The pollution and the anomaly aren’t entirely season 2 either. Hextech was influencing Viktor as early as S1E5 when it was giving him visions. And we see in that same scene the waste of the hexgate being swapped out. That stuff always existed in the show, it just came to a head in season 2.

The tragedy of Viktor and Jayce is that they chose Hextech to pursue instead of more grounded efforts to make change and improve the lives of others. They let their egos take over and the magic of the arcane consumed them. That’s the real message of their stories. Viktor was never broken. Not in his mind. He could’ve spent more time focusing on helping others, instead of… everything he ultimately does in the show across both seasons. But he was too consumed by his legacy and illness, which caused him to obsess and make bad decisions. Viktor was not the problem. It’s Hextech that was the problem.

It's magic! Exactly! The writers were not limited by logic, or rules of any kind. They weren't even restricted to follow league lore, since they already retconned Hextech's origins, who invented it, and how it works right off the bat in season 1.

If the writers wanted, they could have written anything else. But they chose to make Hextech this inherently corrupt, mind controlling, world-ending threat that removes all agency from two fan favourite characters. It's just shallow story-telling.

And if there was a universe where Viktor and Jayce live happily and save lives without inventing Hextech, why did all-powerful future Viktor not try to create THAT timeline? We can only conclude it was impossible.

To these writers, Viktor and Jayce existed for no other reason than to tell a cautionary tale about the dangers of reaching above your station. They dared to dream of giving magic (power) to people who weren't born with it, so they had to die.

Magic is never JUST magic in a story.

Yeah? That’s… kinda how a cautionary tale works?

Arcane is a tragedy.

It’s about people letting their egos and inability to work together divide them apart. It’s about people making bad decisions and how one or two bad decisions can affect millions. It’s about how working together in communities and through mutual understanding that TRUE progress actually happens. Technology for technology’s sake never ends well.

I… I don’t see what the problem is here. From your description of issues it seems less like the writers did something wrong and more that you just hate the GENRE the show is using.

Pretty weak criticisms tbh…

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

False, actually! Vik and Jayce at the end of season 1 decide to destroy 1) the hammer, and 2) the Hexcore. Two specific Hextech inventions. At no point do they decide Hextech itself was wrong to pursue.

Remember the terms for Zaun's independence? One very important one was giving Zaun "unrestricted access to the Hexgates."

The reason Hextech was a problem in season 1 was because its benefits and the wealth it generated was entirely held by the upper class. Zaun received ZERO benefit from it. That was the whole problem, and it's why Silco put access to Hextech in his terms for independence.

Jayce and Viktor realized THAT at the end of Season 1, and sought to correct it with a peace deal to share the hexgates

Hello, friend. Those are what I would refer to as “warning signs.” By the end of Season 1, both Viktor and Jayce had killed someone as a result of their obsession over hextech. Both had been warned about the dangers, and both ignored the warnings and continued anyway and death was the result.

By the end of season 1 they are preparing to wind down. They’re going to get rid of Hextech weapons and the hexcore, yes. That’s a pretty solid start about why Hextech is dangerous and bad.

Season 2 CONTINUES this theme and explores the other ways hextech and their ambition to use it was bad. From the unintentionally poisoning of the people of Zaun through toxic run off, to the creation of more Hextech weaponry.

If Jinx hadn’t blown up the council building we would’ve likely had seen them winding DOWN from using hextech so recklessly. That includes sharing it with Zaun btw.

The whole thesis of the initial post is that the “message” of Season 2 is that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And that’s just NOT TRUE because Season 1 already gave us many reasons for why Hextech and the ambition and ego behind Viktor and Jayce were corruptible and BAD. You can’t ignore all the shit Jayce and Viktor did in season 1 and just chalk it up to “it was just because of power imbalances.” No it fucking wasn’t. It was EGO. It was LEGACY. It was RECKLESS use of the tech with NO REGARD for the consequences. It was BYPASSING SAFETY REGULATIONS to please shareholders.

The message of Arcane season 2 isn’t that Viktor was better off not dreaming of helping people. But that creating Hextech and pushing it through without regard for how it affects people or how it could be corrupted is DANGEROUS.

Helping people wasn’t the problem. Their fucking EGOS were the problem. <- all of that is in Season 1, by the way. Season 2 just continued where Season 1 left off.

Yes their desire to improve things quickly and secure legacies etc etc are the mistakes they made, and they both realize those were mistakes at the end of season 1. The culmination of their fuck ups was to resolve to destroy Hextech weaponry and the Hexcore. The two inventions that symbolized those flaws. They learned, and changed for the better.

I dont think we can say they would have wound down Hextech per se. If Jinx never launched the rocket it's more likely they would just have more safeguards in development, and Jayce would fight tooth and nail to keep Hextech from being developed into weapons after accidentally killing a child with it. The Hexgates would have stayed in operation.

We don't need to go into everything season 2 has to say about Hextech being bad, because it's obvious that that is what the season wanted to say. The pollution and anomaly were entirely S2.

The reason S2 seems to say that Viktor would have been better off without his dream to help people is because of the inevitability of his rise to power. He pursues Hextech because of his dream to help people, and then In every universe where Hextech is invented, he goes crazy and ends the world.

There is no universe, apparently, where Viktor and Jayce actually help people. Regardless of their choices. The best thing they can do for the world, in any timeline, is die. And considering how much we were invited to root for them, I find that awful.

That’s why you can’t look at Hextech as just technology. It’s literally magic. Magic in league is special. It has its own wants and desires. Viktor and Jayce could’ve helped people, just NOT with Hextech. Hextech was ALWAYS the problem. Not their dreams. Their dreams were fine. Noble even. It’s the fact that they married Hextech with it that there’s a problem.

The pollution and the anomaly aren’t entirely season 2 either. Hextech was influencing Viktor as early as S1E5 when it was giving him visions. And we see in that same scene the waste of the hexgate being swapped out. That stuff always existed in the show, it just came to a head in season 2.

The tragedy of Viktor and Jayce is that they chose Hextech to pursue instead of more grounded efforts to make change and improve the lives of others. They let their egos take over and the magic of the arcane consumed them. That’s the real message of their stories. Viktor was never broken. Not in his mind. He could’ve spent more time focusing on helping others, instead of… everything he ultimately does in the show across both seasons. But he was too consumed by his legacy and illness, which caused him to obsess and make bad decisions. Viktor was not the problem. It’s Hextech that was the problem.

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

False, actually! Vik and Jayce at the end of season 1 decide to destroy 1) the hammer, and 2) the Hexcore. Two specific Hextech inventions. At no point do they decide Hextech itself was wrong to pursue.

Remember the terms for Zaun's independence? One very important one was giving Zaun "unrestricted access to the Hexgates."

The reason Hextech was a problem in season 1 was because its benefits and the wealth it generated was entirely held by the upper class. Zaun received ZERO benefit from it. That was the whole problem, and it's why Silco put access to Hextech in his terms for independence.

Jayce and Viktor realized THAT at the end of Season 1, and sought to correct it with a peace deal to share the hexgates

Hello, friend. Those are what I would refer to as “warning signs.” By the end of Season 1, both Viktor and Jayce had killed someone as a result of their obsession over hextech. Both had been warned about the dangers, and both ignored the warnings and continued anyway and death was the result.

By the end of season 1 they are preparing to wind down. They’re going to get rid of Hextech weapons and the hexcore, yes. That’s a pretty solid start about why Hextech is dangerous and bad.

Season 2 CONTINUES this theme and explores the other ways hextech and their ambition to use it was bad. From the unintentionally poisoning of the people of Zaun through toxic run off, to the creation of more Hextech weaponry.

If Jinx hadn’t blown up the council building we would’ve likely had seen them winding DOWN from using hextech so recklessly. That includes sharing it with Zaun btw.

The whole thesis of the initial post is that the “message” of Season 2 is that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And that’s just NOT TRUE because Season 1 already gave us many reasons for why Hextech and the ambition and ego behind Viktor and Jayce were corruptible and BAD. You can’t ignore all the shit Jayce and Viktor did in season 1 and just chalk it up to “it was just because of power imbalances.” No it fucking wasn’t. It was EGO. It was LEGACY. It was RECKLESS use of the tech with NO REGARD for the consequences. It was BYPASSING SAFETY REGULATIONS to please shareholders.

The message of Arcane season 2 isn’t that Viktor was better off not dreaming of helping people. But that creating Hextech and pushing it through without regard for how it affects people or how it could be corrupted is DANGEROUS.

Helping people wasn’t the problem. Their fucking EGOS were the problem. <- all of that is in Season 1, by the way. Season 2 just continued where Season 1 left off.

"And this is what Season 2 pigeon-holes itself into by the end; having to imply that Viktor was actually irrational for thinking that his very preventable disease was something he should try to improve. Not only for himself, but for others.

"The message, whether intentional or not, was that Viktor was better off not dreaming at all. And with the added context of inevitable events in Season 2, they're right."

If you too were bothered by what Arcane Season 2 did with the Hextech plotline, go give this vid some love.

The ONLY WAY you can agree with this (flawed and wrong) conclusion is if you ignore ALL OF THE FUCKING WARNING SIGNS ABOUT HEX TECH IN SEASON 1.

I am SO SICK of you fucking ASSHOLES blaming season 2 for ruining Hextech when season 1 ENDS with Viktor coming to the fucking conclusion that he MUST DESTROY IT.

Hextech and Jayce/Viktor’s dreams for it was already ruined by the END of season 1.

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Sometimes I read all the "KKKiramman" discourse and get really annoyed at its lack of nuance. Like, sure, I'll give ya the fact that Caitlyn has fallen HARD down an alt-right pipeline, but a lot of commentary seems to forget the role of Ambessa in Caitlyn's descent.

Ambessa is a foreign agent who SPECIALIZES in destabilizing nations with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of conquering them. She saw a young woman experiencing the most traumatic moment of her life at the hands of a Zaunite fugitive, and SAW AN OPENING. She actively manipulated Caitlyn's grief and rage to put herself in the position to conquer Piltover. Ambessa knew it would take BOTH Zaun and Piltover working together to defeat the Noxian army, so she actively pit them against each other.

Like, ofc I'm not defending the things Caitlyn did, but she was just a piece in a coordinated outside effort to destabilize her nation. Ambessa saw a weak link and applied pressure until it snapped.

Do I think some of the discourse is very relevant to today's political climate and is important to be had? Yes! Ofc! Caitlyn is a very deep introspection of the intersection between empathy and privilege. She's a clear example of how even strong values can crack and shift under the pressures of distress. She's a cautionary tale! We cannot let our grief and hatred blind us to the inequity of "absolute justice"!!

SHE LITERALLY LOST AN EYE TO ILLUSTRATE THE DANGERS OF "AN EYE FOR AN EYE"!!

Idk man I could talk about Caitlyn all day. Obviously, I'm not the character preferences police, but she's soooo much more than these no nuance takes. All the characters in Arcane are PAINFULLY human which is WHY they're so good!

Who's gonna tell em about Caitlyn?💀🙏🏾

It takes a special kind of someone to post a video debunking all of the accusations levied against the characters in Arcane just to double down on your anti-Kiramman hate.

Proud hater of Caitlyn🫶🏾🫶🏾

It takes a VERY special someone for people to be posting videos like this acting like Caitlyn didn't do anything wrong. It's been months since s2 has been out and yet they still act like Caitlyn isn't classist and an oppressor💀💀 Caitlyn is quite literally why it all went wrong in s2, wake up dude.

And thanks for calling me special🤍🤍🤍

Debunking these accusations doesn’t mean you’re saying she didn’t do anything wrong, you fucking moron. You don’t have to lie or exaggerate her actions to dislike them.

Exaggerate?? I ain't exaggerating her actions. If Amanda and Christian wanted to actually redeem her character except make her look good - she doesn't even have a look back on what she's done. If they weren't gonna have her atone for her actions- don't have her do said actions at all.

They did that on their own. You just basically proved for us WHY some people started hating/disliking her. Exaggerate? The show showed us her gassing the chembarons - obviously all of us "dumbasses" can see that it was through the ventilation system and was released on HER CALL. SHE CHOSE TO DO THAT, ON HER OWN. How am I exaggerating when all I'm doing is calling out Caitlyn for who she really is, even if she is fictional.

Caitlyn CHOSE to keep playing dictator, the scene with her,and Maddie literally says that. She might’ve spoken against Ambessa, but she did nothing whatsoever to stop the harm she was doing. Losing an eye is a pathetic excuse and a shitty so-called "redemption arc." She CHOSE to keep inflicting, having the enforcers to use police brutality against innocent Zaunites. She CHOSE to gas the chembarons, she CHOSE to hit Vi, she CHOSE to join Ambessa, she CHOSE to sleep with Maddie and she CHOSE to put Zaun in martial law.

Exaggerating? Exaggerate is a stupid thing to say because it has real life aspects inside the show itself, if Arcane is a political commentary, they sure as hell didn't do it right. For the sake of having an undeveloped lesbian ship to become canon even though it's ALREADY a toxic ship, they knew Caitlyn and Vi would have never become canon considering both their backgrounds and their power dynamic, so, they had to squeeze those pathetic scenes in act three.

And how is it bad takes when it's literally the truth??💀💀🤣

Oh, and a "fucking moron" just pointed her actions out for you, you're welcome🫶🏾🤍

Bye!!☺️

See, this is how I know you don’t actually watch the show.

Caitlyn spends acts 2 and 3 dwelling over her prior actions. It consumer ever every motivation and action going forward. And she DOES acknowledge her mistakes. And she DOES try to make up for them. She performs some of the greatest acts of service once could possibly give to people she’s wronged, and you flatly ignore that it happened.

“They want to play high morality” as a response to a group of people not being comfortable with certain things in a show that scarily shows similar horrors people go through in our own world will always be weird to me, Like yes why would I a black woman ass lick a cop who committed police brutality and declared martial law? Why do you feel the need to make me like them? Why do you feel the need to harass people of color for rightfully feeling uncomfortable?

Because it’s not real life? Caitlyn has motivations and goals that are understandable and empathetic, which is not the case for real oppression in real life. Being able to separate reality from fantasy and understand the message of the story being told with the characters is an important aspect of being a functional human being. You don’t have to like them, but being able to understand them is kinda crucial to enjoying media. Your skin color isn’t the problem.

I’m a Jewish American lesbian. Do you have any idea how angry the criticism that Caitlyn “gassed all of Zaun” makes me feel when so much of Zaun and Silco in particular are Jewish coded? Not only is it a direct LIE about what happened but it preys on my family trauma to gain faux moral high ground points rather than actually engaging with the characters and story to understand the message of the ways violence corrupts people.

Hey so accusing POC of some strange ulterior motive when they engage with media in a way that you don’t like is super unfair and just rather weird. And justifying it with “It’s not real life?” Yeah, it’s NOT, so why is it such a horrible problem that someone might be uncomfortable with the way oppression is portrayed IN A SHOW and warrant lecturing them about interacting with the media “correctly” aka in the way you like?

Also, I’m sorry, Arcane’s police brutality and oppression of Zaun is the reality for many POC groups to this day, no one is trying to “prey” on your family’s trauma as Jewish people and it’s quite frankly gross that you would accuse someone of that.

I know this doesn’t make sense to people who haven’t grown up with the shared history, but… being Jewish isn’t being “white.”

All my life I’ve been just as marginalized and shit on and othered as every other POC that I’ve been grouped together with. It’s only within the last few years suddenly (and suspiciously) I’m no longer considered a person of color anymore.

I hate all of the exploitation, sexual abuse, oppression, murder, and rape in Shindler’s List but you don’t see me bitching to Spielberg that he included it in his film because it made me uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable about it was the POINT.

So yeah, sorry but if you see police brutality in a show and you’re asked to be empathetic towards characters and it makes you uncomfortable… good. That’s the POINT. The show is trying to get a message across to you and if you IGNORE the message or REFUSE to engage with the characters because it makes you feel “uncomfortable” then you don’t deserve to be watching and analyzing that show because you’re too immature to deal with it.

The way you managed to ignore and spin everything I said to fit your narrative is astounding but you’re a z*onist so i shouldn’t really be surprised. And before you start the “ZIONIST IS A SLUR!!!” BS, we’re not falling for it. Just fuck off atp and go cry about how poc victimize you or whatever the hell else your hate campaign entails.

Get reprimand by someone for supposedly not listening to a POC.

Tell them you are a POC.

Get racial/antisemitic slurs thrown in your face in retaliation.

Thanks for that, really standing up for the marginalized people aren’t you, you heroic king you.

Anyone doing a quick check on your acc can see you have Zionist ideologies lmao

If believing my people deserve to live in their ancestral homeland without being slaughtered from existence is “Zionist ideology” then you’re just an idiot. I have ROUTINELY opposed the war with Palestine and called for a ceasefire and an eradication of the terrorist group Hamas so that the Israeli and Palestinian people can live in peace and opposed the Trumpian expansion of the war by Netanyahu.

If you just bristle at the word Jew and Israel and can’t come to grips with the complexities of the situation going on there because any opposition is “Zionist rhetoric” you shouldn’t be watching Arcane and this is a big reason why I clap back at this black and white nonsense.

And killing and bombing Palestinians is the solution to that I suppose? Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for years causing them to not have full independence or rights and they are being bombed and killed for generations and this is the cause of the Zionism ideology. Jews deserve to feel safe but it shouldn’t be at the expense of another fucking genocide.

Zionism throughout the years have proven to be fucking harmful towards both Jews and Palestinians.

For fucks sakes does the worlds most disgusting countries that have a history of colonization supporting this shit not make it more obvious?

Israel is the Jewish homeland Jews fled to after leaving the Egyptian Pharaohs. The Arabs then conquered all of that land and kicked the Jews out. After WWII the Jewish homeland was RE-ESTABLISHED and created so that Jews would have a place to live.

Those “Palestinians” you love so much? They’re Arab colonizers. Their first response the DAY AFTER was to say “we will finish what Hitler started.” Since then it’s been constant war with them being the aggressors. Israel gave Palestinians sovereignty and right to govern, and they IMMEDIATELY elected a terrorist organization to lead them. Hamas frequently brainwashed and indoctrinates their own children into committing acts of terror including using them as suicide bombers. On October 7th they committed the largest act of genocide against the Jewish population since the fucking HOLOCAUST.

Palestine is already free from Israel. Israel let them become their own government body independent from Israel in the early 2000’s. The fact you don’t know this is because you’re being fed lies by the terrorists and refuse to listen to or engage with those it affects.

I had fucking FAMILY die in that October 7th attack, so go fuck yourself. I don’t want this war. I don’t want to bomb anyone. I want a ceasefire. I hate Netanyahu. I don’t want ANY of this shit. I just want people to be able to live in their own homeland without fear of retaliation. What part of me saying I don’t want this war makes you think I endorse bombing Palestine????? Fuck you.

Your point would be valid if Israel isn’t currently occupying fucking Palestine and bombing them, like I fucking said What Israel is doing is occupying illegal land and bombing innocents, Jews and Arabs have always been tensed and have always had a ongoing repeat of violence but let’s stop acting like Israel hasn’t had more blood on their hands in the past few years and that is because they are occupying illegal land and no Palestine does not have full independence as long as Israel is still in control of many areas including security and resources HENCE why it was so easy for them to block any proper resources for the Palestinians.

I have yet to see you call the Israeli government out for being just as fucking responsible in any of your replies always back to Hamas this and Hamas that when the Israeli government is hella responsible considering it was THEM who are mainly occupying illegal land, slaughtering innocents and holding Palestine back from full independence, them who have more control and are backed up by larger countries while Palestine has no way of defending themselves.

Your post over here is also just proving my thoughts on how harmful the Zionism ideology is, That land has just as much history of Palestinians as it does for Jews, and what Israel is doing right now is occupying illegal land.

FOR GODS SAKES! They are literally planning to take gaza after bombing it, after slaughtering the people of Palestine, They are literally siding with the Nazis of all fucking nazis in an attempt to take MORE land from Palestine illegally.

Like I definitely agree certain people are just anti semitism because i won’t deny it I have seen a whole lot of them but the term “Zionist” being considered bad is because IT IS BAD, Many Jews mind you are being treated poorly by Zionists because they are in support of Palestine that should tell you fucking enough.

What part of “I don’t agree with this war, I do not agree with what Netanyahu is doing” do you not fucking GRASP? One of the reasons I was so opposed to Trump was because I knew he wanted to build hotels on stolen Gazan land and I denounced all that shit years ago. I still do NOW. I’m LITERALLY saying I want a ceasefire and for the war between the two to end.

I can want my Jewish ancestors to live in peace in Israel along side the Palestinian Arabs AND denounce the war that is going on and the brutality and barbarity of it all. Two things can exist at the same time. Palestinian-Israeli exist, BTW. They live in Israel in peace. They are treated as citizens with the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. It can work. The problem is Hamas is a terrorist organization that has not yet stopped bombing and killing Israeli citizens no matter how many ceasefires are agreed to. Fuck, October 7th was Hamas BREAKING A CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT to slaughter 1,200 Jews at a MUSIC FESTIVAL FOR PEACE.

The problem is that Israel is to Jews what America is to Native Americans. At this point there’s no hope of giving back the land to the Natives. But in Israel there IS hope. And if it wasn’t for the terrorist group Hamas (who again, I remind you uses child suicide bombers) there would be peace there.

Do I need to show you the protests happening in Israel to Netanyahu’s rule for you to grasp that we hate him? Netanyahu is to Israel what Trump is to America.

Get rid of Netanyahu, get rid of Hamas, establish a ceasefire between the two nations, and fund reconstruction efforts and humanitarian aid. Those are my fucking goals. If that makes me a “Zionist” then fuck you, you don’t actually care about solving the problem at all. You just wanna bark and be racist.

“They want to play high morality” as a response to a group of people not being comfortable with certain things in a show that scarily shows similar horrors people go through in our own world will always be weird to me, Like yes why would I a black woman ass lick a cop who committed police brutality and declared martial law? Why do you feel the need to make me like them? Why do you feel the need to harass people of color for rightfully feeling uncomfortable?

Because it’s not real life? Caitlyn has motivations and goals that are understandable and empathetic, which is not the case for real oppression in real life. Being able to separate reality from fantasy and understand the message of the story being told with the characters is an important aspect of being a functional human being. You don’t have to like them, but being able to understand them is kinda crucial to enjoying media. Your skin color isn’t the problem.

I’m a Jewish American lesbian. Do you have any idea how angry the criticism that Caitlyn “gassed all of Zaun” makes me feel when so much of Zaun and Silco in particular are Jewish coded? Not only is it a direct LIE about what happened but it preys on my family trauma to gain faux moral high ground points rather than actually engaging with the characters and story to understand the message of the ways violence corrupts people.

Hey so accusing POC of some strange ulterior motive when they engage with media in a way that you don’t like is super unfair and just rather weird. And justifying it with “It’s not real life?” Yeah, it’s NOT, so why is it such a horrible problem that someone might be uncomfortable with the way oppression is portrayed IN A SHOW and warrant lecturing them about interacting with the media “correctly” aka in the way you like?

Also, I’m sorry, Arcane’s police brutality and oppression of Zaun is the reality for many POC groups to this day, no one is trying to “prey” on your family’s trauma as Jewish people and it’s quite frankly gross that you would accuse someone of that.

I know this doesn’t make sense to people who haven’t grown up with the shared history, but… being Jewish isn’t being “white.”

All my life I’ve been just as marginalized and shit on and othered as every other POC that I’ve been grouped together with. It’s only within the last few years suddenly (and suspiciously) I’m no longer considered a person of color anymore.

I hate all of the exploitation, sexual abuse, oppression, murder, and rape in Shindler’s List but you don’t see me bitching to Spielberg that he included it in his film because it made me uncomfortable. Being uncomfortable about it was the POINT.

So yeah, sorry but if you see police brutality in a show and you’re asked to be empathetic towards characters and it makes you uncomfortable… good. That’s the POINT. The show is trying to get a message across to you and if you IGNORE the message or REFUSE to engage with the characters because it makes you feel “uncomfortable” then you don’t deserve to be watching and analyzing that show because you’re too immature to deal with it.

The way you managed to ignore and spin everything I said to fit your narrative is astounding but you’re a z*onist so i shouldn’t really be surprised. And before you start the “ZIONIST IS A SLUR!!!” BS, we’re not falling for it. Just fuck off atp and go cry about how poc victimize you or whatever the hell else your hate campaign entails.

Get reprimand by someone for supposedly not listening to a POC.

Tell them you are a POC.

Get racial/antisemitic slurs thrown in your face in retaliation.

Thanks for that, really standing up for the marginalized people aren’t you, you heroic king you.

Anyone doing a quick check on your acc can see you have Zionist ideologies lmao

If believing my people deserve to live in their ancestral homeland without being slaughtered from existence is “Zionist ideology” then you’re just an idiot. I have ROUTINELY opposed the war with Palestine and called for a ceasefire and an eradication of the terrorist group Hamas so that the Israeli and Palestinian people can live in peace and opposed the Trumpian expansion of the war by Netanyahu.

If you just bristle at the word Jew and Israel and can’t come to grips with the complexities of the situation going on there because any opposition is “Zionist rhetoric” you shouldn’t be watching Arcane and this is a big reason why I clap back at this black and white nonsense.

And killing and bombing Palestinians is the solution to that I suppose? Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine for years causing them to not have full independence or rights and they are being bombed and killed for generations and this is the cause of the Zionism ideology. Jews deserve to feel safe but it shouldn’t be at the expense of another fucking genocide.

Zionism throughout the years have proven to be fucking harmful towards both Jews and Palestinians.

For fucks sakes does the worlds most disgusting countries that have a history of colonization supporting this shit not make it more obvious?

Israel is the Jewish homeland Jews fled to after leaving the Egyptian Pharaohs. The Arabs then conquered all of that land and kicked the Jews out. After WWII the Jewish homeland was RE-ESTABLISHED and created so that Jews would have a place to live.

Those “Palestinians” you love so much? They’re Arab colonizers. Their first response the DAY AFTER was to say “we will finish what Hitler started.” Since then it’s been constant war with them being the aggressors. Israel gave Palestinians sovereignty and right to govern, and they IMMEDIATELY elected a terrorist organization to lead them. Hamas frequently brainwashed and indoctrinates their own children into committing acts of terror including using them as suicide bombers. On October 7th they committed the largest act of genocide against the Jewish population since the fucking HOLOCAUST.

Palestine is already free from Israel. Israel let them become their own government body independent from Israel in the early 2000’s. The fact you don’t know this is because you’re being fed lies by the terrorists and refuse to listen to or engage with those it affects.

I had fucking FAMILY die in that October 7th attack, so go fuck yourself. I don’t want this war. I don’t want to bomb anyone. I want a ceasefire. I hate Netanyahu. I don’t want ANY of this shit. I just want people to be able to live in their own homeland without fear of retaliation. What part of me saying I don’t want this war makes you think I endorse bombing Palestine????? Fuck you.

This is a legitimate question but why do some of you believe that Ekko would understand Vi's reasoning for becoming an enforcer? Why do some of you truly think that he would have been able to look past that and still have a good relationship with her?

Ekko's character, whether it be in the show or in the game does not like enforcers. He would not be willing to look past Vi joining an oppressive group of people simply because she had her reasons for putting that uniform on and becoming one of them.

And one thing I've noticed is that whenever people mention that Ekko wouldn't be able to remain close to Vi because she became an enforcer, someone always says "he forgave Jinx for working with Silco so why wouldn't he be able to forgive Vi?" Vi as an adult made the decision to put on that uniform and work with the same group of people who play a part in oppressing and harming Zaunites for years.

And no this is not me criticizing Vi, she's one of my favorite characters in the show and I feel like she's very misunderstood. We know why she made the decision she made but you can't expect Ekko to understand why she made that choice especially since he and Vi were not as close as they once were before Vander, Clogged and Mylo died.

Why?

Because Ekko works with Caitlyn, an enforcer, because he understands that Silco is more detrimental to society than Piltover.

Because Ekko is pragmatic, like Sevika, and will align himself with people who are willing to help him out.

Because Ekko worked with Jayce and Heimerdinger, two Piltover people who are technically both responsible for the oppression of Piltover in general.

What’s this fucking obsession with what Ekko thinks of Vi in enforcer gear when he literally saves her in enforcer gear?

The fact that you felt the need to swear and take offense to my post is the exact reason why I don't make posts like this often with the Arcane fandom. It was a genuine question especially since people are different and some people view the opinion of Ekko putting his feelings on enforcers aside completely and being okay with Vi becoming one simply because he worked with Vi for a short amount of time as a mischaracterization especially when it comes to how some people of color view characters of color. This was post that was open for people to share their thoughts, opinions but this wasn't an invitation to be toxic, rude or nasty. If you felt like my post was a problem you could have simply not replied to it.

If your purpose for replying to people's posts is to immediately try and shut them down or silence them because you feel like anything that's non positive towards a character that you're biased towards is an attack on that character then you're what's wrong with the Arcane fandom. My post wasn't even negative nor was it attacking and yet you took it as that.

Then next time don’t use the Arcane Critical hashtag.

Because that’s why I responded as negatively as I did. The Arcane Critical hashtag has been overrun by bad faith actors. Nothing posted in that tag is going to elicit a good and thoughtful discussion.

Except I didn't use that hashtag, I went back and looked at my tags and none of them say Arcane Critical on my original post. The fact that you responded negatively over something that could've been a misunderstanding or a mistake is on you. If this is how you reply to people who want positive and genuine conversations stay away from my posts. I don't want anything to do with the negative side of the Arcane fandom.

Then don’t post on tumblr.