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call me scintilly. >30. basically just dc. i have too many thoughts on the drakes, okay. feel free to ask as long as you're polite.

🌼🌸🌼Janet Lynn Drake Reading Guide🌼🌸🌼

(excluding, ofc, nu52 because i haven't read it)

(for my girl. there's so little, it's so easy to read her ❤️)

  • batman (1940) #436. year three, janet and jack from dick's/neutral pov the night at the circus
  • batman (1940) #441. a lonely place of dying, jack and janet from tim's pov the night at the circus
  • detective comics (1937) #618-#621. rite of passage, jack and janet's kidnapping and janet's death.
  • batman (1940) #455-#457. identity crisis, janet's funeral. tim calls her mommy. and hallucinates her.
  • robin mini-series i #1. tim visits her grave
  • batman (1940) #480, tim and jack visit her grave
  • batman chronicles #4. "beggar's banquet" story, she appears in tim's dying dream
  • batman: legends of the dark knight #100. "the choice". at the circus from bruce's pov.
  • secret origins 80 page giant, "little wing". we see janet in the background and tim mentions she covered his eyes as she hurried him out of the big top.
  • robin (1993) #100. tim remembers going into the city with janet and jack.
  • robin (1993) #112-#113. jack is missing janet. is visited by a valkyrie to make him choose between his dead wife and dana. given he doesn't even remember his old wife's name and calls her catherine, he probably made the right choice in sticking with dana.
  • robin (1993) #156. she only appears on a page as tim remembers all the people he's lost over the years.
  • robin (1993) #183. she appears as a hallucination. she's not nice, but also, tim is able to tell immediately that that's not really her.
  • batman: blackest night #1-#3. okay, she doesn't actually show up as a zombie until issue #2, and she's basically there to tell tim to go to jack and have almost no presence herself because god forbid we focus on the mother for once, but zombie janet is there at least <3 looking fierce in her black latern corp outfit. or as fierce as one can be.
  • red robin #22. tim visits her grave.
  • batman (2016) #134. "the toy box: part 4". only non-post-crisis story that matters for janet tbh, so good it deserves a place with post-crisis.

anyways. like i do think that in a world where jason never died, tim truly wouldn't feel the need to super intervene in any big events that happen. after all, batman needs a robin and batman has a robin in this world (and would probably be a bit more stable, even if the world was falling apart in a world where robin never died on him--there'd be no passive suicidality on bruce's part even if he's struggling with batman stuff which tim would be fine with, no need to intervene if batman's having a slightly tough time, not his job, batman has robin after all), and, honestly, tim would probably be content to just privately follow his heroes' antics as he has his entire life.

but. since tim does love a project. and does love to be nosy. if he did ever intervene in their lives it would be 100% during dick's "grayson's-run-gauntlet" because now his hero is exhibiting that passive suicidality and he has to do something and can you imagine tim being at haly's circus when it gets blown up and on top of everything dick is dealing with, now he's got some kid shoving pictures in his face-

honestly. fanon tim is missing a lot of things, but to me one of the key things he's missing is that he should always and forever get on the batfam's radar to begin with through a murder at haly's circus and only there. who is this weirdo who meets them through the young businessmen of america club (that his evil parents made him join). he should be intervening in "his evil parents try to take over haly's circus for money laundering purposes" or something. and when tim goes to warn dick at the circus, suddenly a murder-

like i do think that when wolfman was creating the drakes, he wasn't necessarily intending them to be like super liberals BUT alpod taking place in 1989 which the circus flashback taking place ~10 years prior (tim being like 3-5ish years old, meaning the circus would have taken place 1979-1981ish) him having janet used the word "liberated" in reference to jack's casual sexism is, in fact, a very specific historical term to choose that really does only have (1) specific context that it could have been used for, which was to reference the women's liberation movement of 1970s. the fact that they even casually mention the mmm kind of hot button term of liberation in a pretty friendly conversation is not necessarily total proof positive they're totally meant to be progressive, obviously jack isn't, and is still kind of sexist--which is why janet calls him out gently, but the fact that they have janet even *mention* things like jack is being slightly sexist and having her, a woman, make a fairly positive reference to the fact that jack is supposed to presumably be liberated, not the sexist he's currently being, does in fact posit them as supposed to be more pro-social reform for the era. like he's not saying for sure that janet is pro-women's lib, but the historical implications are certainly there in her and jack's conversation. and this does fit, i think, with wolfman's tendency (despite his own very present sexism in his writing) to push towards more socially progressive causes for the 80s that you do see in at least some of his writing. he could have chosen to like. just not have the conversation about sexism? but he chose to put it in and he chose to have janet use the very context specific term of liberated. and it's a very interesting starting point that never really got to go anywhere because alan grant chose to make them detestable yuppies to push his own agenda and foil tim's circumstances against lonnie's, and then obviously janet was dead and jack got taken over by dixon which turned him from a detestable yuppie into just a detestable reagan conservative, which. if you think about it. jack starting as a supposedly liberated man in the 70s (read: is super pro women's lib, because those women put out, that's sexy) and then becoming a conservative in the 80s because he thinks reagan has a good point is, in fact, a very reasonable and realistic character trajectory for a man. and janet got to die before getting character development which means that dixon didn't get to make her a republican woman like he would have (because he made dana a republican #bless), which means that all she has is her humble origins of implied women's liberation support.

long tangent but i do wonder what the drakes would have been like if wolfman had had a chance to go further with his story for them. like i still maintain my spy theory, but like personality wise i genuinely wonder what a wolfman jack drake would have been.

"they can never make me like you, janet drake" SHE DIDN'T DO SHIT!!!!! SHE SENT TIM A POSTCARD AND DIED! SHE LITERALLY DIDN'T EVEN SURVIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR TIM TO BE ROBIN! YOU JUST HATE WOMEN! BITING YOU BITING YOU BITING YOU BITING YOU BITING YOU

You have the opportunity to write Tim as taking after Janet in all the best ways here I am melting into a puddle on the floor

JANET READS POETRY!!!! JANET IS THE REASON TIM MEETS DICK FOR THE FIRST TIME, BECAUSE SHE WAS OVERLY WORRIED AND THOUGHT HE'D BE SCARED OF PERFORMERS!!!!! SHE LOVED HIM SO MUCH, I'M KILLING I'M KILLING I'M KILLING

Idea: Given at least two US presidents used to hang out with the Baker Street Irregulars, what if the Fanon Drakes actually try to fasttrack Tim's Sherlock Club membership so he can Network in Ways Befitting The Drake Heir

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ahh i kept forgetting this was in my inbox, sorry!! meant to reply ages ago lol

anyways. i like it but i do think it would be a little too frivolous for them if their business baby actually enjoyed reading fiction books, so they force him to join for networking (he's miserable) but when he tried to actually read a sherlock holmes book they grounded him and took his books away to reduce distrations when he got a b+ on a test. it's not until he moves in with the waynes and mr. wayne gives him old copy of a study in scarlet to read that tim understands that a real loving family reads books together <3 tears drip on the pages <3 and then he has an anxiety attack for ruining rhe precious book that mr. wayne gave him <3 ♡ dw a cuddle pile will fix it ♡

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Stephanie Brown and sewing: the discontinuity in canon skill

One of the points that is often brought up to contrast Bryan Q. Miller’s Batgirl 2009 run with pre-War Games Steph is BQM’s depiction of Steph as unable to sew in Batgirl #1 2009, in contrast with Chuck Dixon’s depiction of her sewing her first costume in Secret Origins 80-Page Giant #1 1998.

I think it’s interesting to contrast the default assumptions inherent in ‘Steph can/cannot sew’ for both periods, and also look at what the skill would say today about her as a character.

Dixon from her origin in 1992 portrays Steph as having sewn her own costume and as a member of Gen X. (Well, he doesn’t specify that she made it until he writes her Secret Origins in 1998, but it probably formed part of her origin story in his mind from the very start). In that time period, it’s not unlikely that Steph may still have been taught to sew at school and to be assumed by readers to have learnt at school; while sewing and home economics classes were in the process of being removed from the US school curriculums over the late 1970s and the 1980s, in 1992 that would still be very recent news and in particular, adult readers and writers would likely still have expected it to be a skill that a teenage girl would have learnt, either at school or from her mother. Dixon in particular was born in 1954 and probably finished school in the very early 1970s, before this change in curriculum occurred, so his default expectation would have been that Steph had the opportunity to learn.

On top of this, in the late 1980s and early 1990s it was still financially viable for lower middle class families to be sewing particularly children’s clothing and women’s dresses to save money; the cost of fabric v the cost of premade clothing was such that there were still savings to be made by running up simple clothes at home if you discounted the labour costs of the woman doing that work. In this context, Steph being able to sew her own costume is something that allows Dixon to portray Steph as thrifty and hardworking and the ‘good’ sort of lower middle class.

In this context, Steph sewing makes her look competent and well educated, but also pitches her in the position where she is visibly less well off and less well resourced than Tim is: she is able to solve the problem of needing a costume by creating her own at home (similar to how Barbara Gordon, in most origin stories, sews her first Batgirl costume AS a costume party outfit), rather than having one gifted to her by Bruce.

In contrast, by BQM’s Batgirl 2009 run, the likelihood of a teenage girl having the skill to sew a complete outfit has significantly dropped. My best estimate of BQM’s age is that he was likely born in the 1980s, a full generation later, and is writing a teenage girl who is similarly presented as an entire generation younger and a Millennial. For this version of Steph, sewing is an old fashioned, unfashionable skill that she would have been unlikely to learn at school. To learn how to sew she would either have required a special interest or an involved mother or other older relative who specifically wanted to teach her; and Crystal Brown is not portrayed as someone who had the free time to be teaching hobbies to her daughter. The economics of sewing have also flipped at this point. Buying clothing was cheaper and easier than sewing them personally, and it would be extremely unlikely to see a teenager wearing homemade clothing.

On top of that, we have BQM’s characterisation of Steph. His Steph is Not Like Other Girls ™ - she’s specifically shown to be cool and rebellious in ways that are depicted via things like looking down on clothing/behaviour that is ‘girly’, wearing male style clothing like combat fatigues as part of her university clothing to portray that she’s above caring about her appearance, but still having those ‘when she wears a dress she looks feminine/beautiful’ moments. It’s a very trendy portrayal of a teenager who is simultaneously trying to appear not to be trying too hard while actually privately overthinking everything.

Finally, both of these reads of what Steph being able to sew or not means have different interpretations in the present day.

From my current understanding, design and sewing classes have largely been out of the US school curriculum for decades at this point. The most common encounters that a modern member of fandom would have with sewing clothing is the in the context of cosplay, whether that be for fandom costuming (such as sewing your own Batgirl costume for a party like Barbara), or in terms of the Bernadette Banner style of elaborate historical recreations, where the hobby is both the recreation and in doing everything the hardest and most elaborate way possible. It is not something most people would do for actual pieces in their wardrobe (as the economics of sewing are still upsidedown in terms of materials to premade). A current teenage or early 20s Steph is a member of Gen Z, another generation on.

Because of this frequent lack of familiarity with the skill of sewing in the general audience, there is no longer an default expectation that Steph would be able to sew. If she was able to sew, it would be perceived as a particular hobby of hers for some purpose (probably cosplay, to give her a fandom-aligned hobby to seem ‘cool’), rather than an expected skill she acquired in the course of her education, whether at school or from her mother, for the purpose of running a household and general maintenance tasks. Particularly in terms of being able to put together an entire costume, or modify another costume to fit herself; those are higher skill levels than sewing on buttons or tacking a hem.

Interestingly, both portraying Steph as able to sew AND as unable to sew now have different readings to them compared to the two contemporaneous commentaries available in 1992 and 2009, when it was previously addressed in canon. It would be interesting to see it addressed again by a writer, to see which angle they take.

do you ever read a fic where they mention some other piece of media and go. these are just your opinions. come on, girl. i don't even know you but i know that these are just your opinions. these are not the media opinions of a nineteen-year-old boy. these are the media opinions of a thirty-five year old woman who had a livejournal account in 2007. these are the media opinions of someone who was in supernatural fandom

‘She wasn’t a good mother’ great are we evaluating this character trait as one of her many facets or are we just damning her for not being the most maternal womanliest woman who ever womaned

the thrilling sequel ‘he’s a bad father but we’re using it as grounds to see him as beloved and a deeply complex and intellectual character that needs to be studied’

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i mean. this might just be me, but i do think that tim drake gets a lot of joy from getting to be robin, a mantle that brought him happiness before it even existed when dick grayson wore those colors and promised to do a quadruple somersault just for him.

like idk. i just think that the fact that he gets to wear his hero's colors and honor his legacy and do what he does makes tim. just a little happy. seeing as he wanted to be robin long before he ever wanted to protect batman.

like. idk. i think sometimes people get hung up on the "tim scolds bruce about batman needing a robin and insists bruce needs to be brought back from the brink" portion of a lonely place of dying and forget the key other part of it where he was *having an absolute blast getting to "be" robin*. and like. him bringing bruce back from the brink was a bit about saving batman from self destruction, but it was mainly about bringing the happiness of robin back into batman's life. the fundamental importance of robin and the light robin provides as a concept. that's what he cares more about than whether bruce is having a mental breakdown. tbh.

i mean. this might just be me, but i do think that tim drake gets a lot of joy from getting to be robin, a mantle that brought him happiness before it even existed when dick grayson wore those colors and promised to do a quadruple somersault just for him.

like idk. i just think that the fact that he gets to wear his hero's colors and honor his legacy and do what he does makes tim. just a little happy. seeing as he wanted to be robin long before he ever wanted to protect batman.

honestly there is a vast amount of catholic guilt in post-crisis batcomics from like 1989-2001 and i'll be honest that is part of what makes that era so compelling to me. like this is not me saying that they're all catholics. but if you grew up around catholic guilt it's just so obvious how much of it is permeating through it all.

Need to talk about the Brad Meltzer’s and Rags Morales’ commentary at the end of identity crisis because holyyy shit

More under the cut!!

the thing about Jack Ripping Tim's TV Off The Wall is that it's not meant to be proof positive that he beats tim on the regular bc that's not exactly the read on it, but simultaneously the idea that it's just exaggerated 90s parenting and therefore nbd at all is also fundamentally untrue. bc like. okay. even in the 90s, acts of physical aggression like that against your children were generally considered out of the norm and inappropriate and when stuff like that appeared in 90s media you were, in fact, supposed to recognize that the parent was going too far and was in the wrong. also. if you consider the parallels that jack and tim have with bruce and dick in dixon's writing of all of them, you can see how often he uses physical agression by the father figure towards his son as a way to denote that you are supposed to be reading the father figure as the one in the wrong in a conflict & that is exactly what happens in this scene. jack isn't just being exaggerated 90s dad and nbd here, you are supposed to be reading it as him being an unreasonable father who is using excessive aggression against his kid. jack is not shown to he having a reasonable response to his kid not listening to him. he is, in fact, the bad guy there-

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