fuck dude when outie mark DOES wake up eventually, his last memory being kissing gemma and with her nowhere near him now, he's gonna go into an absolute RAGE

Their relationship doesn't develop much during the season, but Drummond seems to care and empathize with Helena. I think they're siblings. I wonder how Helena will feel when she finds out Mark was the one who killed him?

Mark Scout fairly consistently thinks of innies and outies as the same person

unless circumstances force him not to.

S1 E1

Ricken's friend: I mean, I wish I could do it. I'd just always be thinking about, you know, the other one.

Mark: Well, there is no 'other one.' It's me. I do the job ...

S1 E1

Mark to Petey: So we're friends?

S2E2

Mark to Devon and Ricken: Guys, obviously I was referencing the baby [when saying 'She's alive'].

S2E10

oMark to iMark: Oh hey, Ms Cobel said you like someone down there? Helena Eagan, right? I think her innie-name is Heleny?

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I think this is interesting, and maybe a part of why he barely considers iMark's needs at all. Often, we feel obligated to other people in a way we don't feel toward ourselves. Mark may be comfortable harming 'himself' through alcohol and neglect in a way he wouldn't another person.

Devon also frequently refers to iMark and oMark as if they are the same person.

In my opinion, the show intentionally doesn't give us a clear answer of whether they are or aren't. In some circumstances, it makes sense to treat them as two people with their own rights, interests, and obligations to each other.

In other circumstances, it makes more sense to think of them as sides of the same person.

The show carefully tips back and forth, resisting settling on one 'true' relationship between innies and outies. (So good.)

obsessing about the marching band scene again

absolutely insane of lumon, essentially congratulating Mark on killing his wife (not that he should know that's whats up) with an entire fucking marching band on the severed floor

I thought this was a pretty dumb thing for oMark to say when asking for iMark's help

People are so obsessed over which Mark was right and which was wrong, who respects who as a person, but I think arguing about that is kind of missing the point, which is : both parts of Mark care deeply about the other, and have done so much to help each other, but both of them are incapable of expressing it because that's just how Mark is as a person

If I had a nickel for every time I’ve become incredibly invested in a show where the protagonist is a man named Mark S. with a split personality that he created in order to avoid coping with a traumatic event, and who’s split personality is an innocent and kinder version of himself that is content with his life, but inevitably gets caught up in the troubled life of the other, i’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

I really think everyone is underestimating what a good position the innies are in as of that finale. Yeah, there's a chance Mark and Helly will only be together for ten minutes - but I think the odds are pretty severely in their favour, actually.

Between Choreography & Merriment, Mammalians Nurturable, and O&D (who MDR already have contact with and could likely bring on-side without difficulty), that's got to be about 100 innies working together.

If they refuse to leave the severed floor, that's about 100 Lumon employees who don't return from work that day, with zero warning or explanation. This is already a PR nightmare for Lumon.

They can't go in with force, because the kidnappers are also the hostages. Besides which, if they just mow them down with bullets, they risk murdering Helena Eagan - and Helly is absolutely the kind of person to make the most of this fact by bodily shielding people.

And if they decided to use force anyway? I simply don't believe they have those kind of resources. We've been shown repeatedly that Lumon relies on exactly one (1) security guy - Graner and then Drummond - and that all their failsafes go to shit if said guy is taken out of the picture.

Lumon doesn't operate on the logic of the repressive state, it operates on the logic of the company: they cut costs and they rely on everyone else buying in to their authority. Could they get the government to help them out? Quite possibly - but that's the kind of thing that takes time to co-ordinate.

I reckon the innies could hold out for at least a week. O&D can make weapons. There must be a catering department that does the melon parties and the egg bars - if they find it, they've got access to a food supply. Both the stairwell and the lift are very easily defensible. They've got access to the overtime contingency if they want to contact the outside world. They've got access to the testing floor if they want to speak to their outies.

Perhaps most importantly, though: their hostages include Dr Mauer. With both Reghabi and Cobel gone AWOL, that guy's probably Lumon's best chance at recreating what they did with Gemma. That's a HUGE bargaining chip.

The Severed Floor Autonomous Zone is looking pretty good, guys.

I wish I had your level of optimism! The way I see it this is probably a good chance for the people upstairs to introduce us to one of the other contingencies teased on the security room screens. Perhaps the one called "Beehive." Which has been theorized to put Innies under mindless marching orders. They could use it to clear the floor. Or maybe even a Freeze Frame that could force them all to stand as they are, still conscious but unable to move or speak. A Lulluby to knock them all out. They could even order Glasgow Blocks on everyone and ask their Outies to leave. There is no way out of this that's gonna be any good for Mark or Helly I fear. As long as they have a chip in their head that works Lumon is gonna do whatever they want with them D: (Good thing Mark's is glitching)

The control room is on the severed floor though. And even it if they moved it, I'm pretty sure Milchick is extremely close to breaking and going on the innies' side. Especially if they like, take him hostage and threaten to kill him and Jame Eagan clearly doesn't care. The uprising is not going to last for long, but I think it can last for a while.

I really think everyone is underestimating what a good position the innies are in as of that finale. Yeah, there's a chance Mark and Helly will only be together for ten minutes - but I think the odds are pretty severely in their favour, actually.

Between Choreography & Merriment, Mammalians Nurturable, and O&D (who MDR already have contact with and could likely bring on-side without difficulty), that's got to be about 100 innies working together.

If they refuse to leave the severed floor, that's about 100 Lumon employees who don't return from work that day, with zero warning or explanation. This is already a PR nightmare for Lumon.

They can't go in with force, because the kidnappers are also the hostages. Besides which, if they just mow them down with bullets, they risk murdering Helena Eagan - and Helly is absolutely the kind of person to make the most of this fact by bodily shielding people.

And if they decided to use force anyway? I simply don't believe they have those kind of resources. We've been shown repeatedly that Lumon relies on exactly one (1) security guy - Graner and then Drummond - and that all their failsafes go to shit if said guy is taken out of the picture.

Lumon doesn't operate on the logic of the repressive state, it operates on the logic of the company: they cut costs and they rely on everyone else buying in to their authority. Could they get the government to help them out? Quite possibly - but that's the kind of thing that takes time to co-ordinate.

I reckon the innies could hold out for at least a week. O&D can make weapons. There must be a catering department that does the melon parties and the egg bars - if they find it, they've got access to a food supply. Both the stairwell and the lift are very easily defensible. They've got access to the overtime contingency if they want to contact the outside world. They've got access to the testing floor if they want to speak to their outies.

Perhaps most importantly, though: their hostages include Dr Mauer. With both Reghabi and Cobel gone AWOL, that guy's probably Lumon's best chance at recreating what they did with Gemma. That's a HUGE bargaining chip.

The Severed Floor Autonomous Zone is looking pretty good, guys.

I wish I had your level of optimism! The way I see it this is probably a good chance for the people upstairs to introduce us to one of the other contingencies teased on the security room screens. Perhaps the one called "Beehive." Which has been theorized to put Innies under mindless marching orders. They could use it to clear the floor. Or maybe even a Freeze Frame that could force them all to stand as they are, still conscious but unable to move or speak. A Lulluby to knock them all out. They could even order Glasgow Blocks on everyone and ask their Outies to leave. There is no way out of this that's gonna be any good for Mark or Helly I fear. As long as they have a chip in their head that works Lumon is gonna do whatever they want with them D: (Good thing Mark's is glitching)

Something I don’t see people talking about. Mark S accuses Mark Scout of using him (which he does) because that’s the first time he interacts with him, when he needs something from him.

But that is not true. That is not the first time Mark Scout reached out to his innie. The first time was when he left Mr. Graner’s key card for him to find in his jacket, which kick-started their whole overtime outing. Mark Scout didn’t HAVE to do that. That’s what Reghabi told him to do but he didn’t really trust her and she just killed a man. It would have been perfectly reasonable of him to get rid of the card, because that’s the evidence that connects him to the murder. But he left it there because he believed his innie would have use of it, and as a result he found out his wife is alive.

So Mark S wasn’t totally right in the argument either. He was lying by omission too, because no matter how pure and (comparatively) untraumatised he is, he is still at his core Mark Scout, and he will lie to get what he wants, which is a consistent character trait for both the innie and the outie since s1

Yes! All this was way before he knew Gemma was alive and In episode 202, Devon and Mark are at Pip's. Devon is trying to encourage Mark to look into what is innie meant. She said "I know we're not supposed to contact him but Denice is a lawyer and apparently you can petition," So there are literal laws in place blocking Mark from speaking to his innie that's why he tried to burn a message into his eyes. Just to try and ask him "Who's alive?' Of course, they're only going to contact him when they really need to. They only have one chance to sneak into the cabin!