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The Inferno Theory: The Chara Theory to End All Chara Theories

Here we are! Nine years of Undertale. And seeing how Chara is heavily associated with the number 9 (AND THAT TOBY FOX FINALLY TALKED ABOUT THEM), I can't think of a better way to celebrate the occasion than by dedicating this 5000-word-long theory about them? Y'all remember when people used to make long-ass theories about Chara? Yeah, they're coming back with a vengeance! To say I have a colossal hyperfixation is a massive understatement. No character in all of fiction has had a bigger impact on my life than this little rose-cheeked, cocoa-addicted freak. I’ve been a Chara fan for as long as I’ve been an Undertale fan, and you can bet that my understanding of them has changed a lot since. And now I have the pleasure of sharing said understandings with y’all!

Once upon a time, there was an aroace autistic who, like most of y’all, had a very unhealthy obsession with Undertale. And unlike most of you, he thought the Genocide Route was really fun. Most fans talk about how unhappy they felt killing everyone, but for me, I felt like a polar bear at a baby harp seal convention. I got a disturbing level of happiness out of turning everyone to dust. Hell, the only unhappiness I felt was when I couldn’t turn Monster Kid to dust.

Oh well, at least I got a good consolation prize!

I was one sadistic son of a gun, and so I was even more delighted to find out I had a secret admirer/partner-in-crime and that they joined in on the fun because I was such a goshdarn inspiration to them. Not wishing to disappoint my self-appointed partner, I erased the world without a second thought, eagerly awaiting what we might get to do together.

So you can guess I was pretty taken aback when, instead of a warm welcome, they started lecturing me about how I couldn’t accept the world’s destruction and that I was the one fully responsible for it (even though they were eager to take credit for it earlier). I didn’t think much of it at first. Initially, I just thought that they were just irritated that I was undoing what we had worked so hard to accomplish.

But as this game taught me time after time, you should never trust your first impressions. Those first impressions would crumble to dust when they said this.

To say I was completely baffled is an understatement. Why the hell would this prepubescent genocidal maniac be so obsessed over whether or not I think I’m above consequences? So obsessed to the point they would tell me to go to hell if I told them no? It was at that moment I realized there was something more to this character than meets the eye. But for a long time, I couldn’t seem to figure out what that something was. And it didn’t seem like anyone could figure that out either.

I’m very much a veteran of the fan wars that have emerged surrounding Chara. In fact, one might even say I am a deserter of sorts, as I am a former member of the Chara Defence Squad, Offense Squad, and Neutralist Squad. But I’m not gonna be a stuck-up and say everyone’s a canon-ignoring idiot except for me and that I’m the only one who knows what Toby Fox intended Chara to be. Even though I ended up with a very different take than yours (and will certainly argue why it’s the best), I owe you all your discussions a huge debt, and I wouldn’t be here if I hadn’t gotten invested in your interpretations, to begin with. Not to mention that, contrary to what some may argue, you’ve made some valid points to complement them.

And while the debate that resulted from Chara’s ambiguous morality has led to a lot of controversy and even toxicity, it has also been a source of some FANTASTIC CONTENT. Like seriously, would we have gotten those badass renditions of Stronger Than You if no one thought Chara was an awful person? Would we have gotten Man on the Internet’s beautiful rendition of Star if no one thought Chara was a good person (turned awful)?

It would be utter hypocrisy for me to ask of you to approach me and my arguments (or anyone who accepts them) with understanding and good faith only to then not do the same to anyone who doesn’t agree with me. In this theory, I will definitely argue why some points made about Chara are flawed; points that you might hold yourself. But that doesn’t automatically mean that you (or your takes) are intellectually or morally inferior to mine. And besides, I’m not Toby Fox.

So with that said, why did I eventually came to disagree with pretty much everyone about Chara? Because, one way or another, I couldn’t find a take that clicked with me personally as I felt there were various inconsistencies and issues holding them back. I looked at YouTube videos, subreddits, Tumblr essays, Twitter threads, and even forums on the Steam Community. But I couldn’t really find what I thought were satisfactory answers to the questions I had about Chara’s motivations, role in the game, and relationship with the player.

And then, one day, I found those answers. It all happened when I asked myself: “What if Chara didn’t turn against me… because they were always against me from the start?!”

I don’t mean that Chara only saw you as a means to an end. I mean that YOU were the end. What if Chara didn’t use you so they could screw over the monsters but they used the monsters so they could screw over YOU.

You probably think I’m insane, don’t you? And you’re right! I AM INSANE! AND SO IS THIS WHOLE DAMN THEORY!!! But somehow, someway, it just works!! And I’ll show you why and how!!!

What you are about to read is the culmination of six years of reading and critiquing Chara takes and theories of every kind and quality, whether it be Judgement Boy’s Who is the Real Villain of Undertale to Wandydoodles’ Oblivion Theory. Six years of examining the arguments and counterarguments of Chara defenders, offenders, and neutralists alike. Six years of looking in every corner of the UTDR fandom. From the tranquil lands of Quora. To the dark recesses of Reddit. To the intellectual wastelands of Twitter. To the fiery hellsite of Tumblr. So, without further ado, get ready for some of the most pure, unadulterated, high-octane, universe-collapsing neurodivergence you’ve ever seen in your life!!!!!

Part 1: The demonic heritage of the "demon who comes when people call its name".

undertale au where chara fell down before asriel was born.

if the whole buttercup plan thing does still happen, it would be interesting to see how flowey would change, considering how much younger he would be

Oooooo!!! Me likely!

How would this work? Would Chara be a teenager or an adult by the time Asriel reaches the age they were when they found Chara.

If Chara is an adult, they could be like a mentor figure to Asriel, who isn't above slipping some misanthropic rhetoric into their lessons.

But yeah, a AU where Chara is significantly older than Azzy.

That's a great idea!!!

I had this idea for an Undertale AU for a bit now--

The idea goes; one of the Dreemurr kids survives the Buttercup Plan. (This is assuming lots of things like determination being strong enough to keep asriel alive, or determination being strong enough to keep chara alive while asriel dusts)

For Chara;

Their parents definitely got to have some complex feelings about that, right? Sure, not all humans are evil & they didn't want to fight humans in the war but they still massacred monsters. And of course you would never blame your own child for the death of another, at least not consciously. But it probably doesn't feel good that- technically speaking, a human child (which might look like Poncho Human, so there's some more complex feelings just for you Asgore, your welcome.) got your only son killed. And if Asgore does go through w/ declaring war on humanity with the only exception being the royal human child, congrats Chara you unlocked a whole new world of self guilt :). Hell maybe even they themself would be the one to declare war on humanity. Very fun, lots of angst, lots of trauma, lots of possibilities for the timeline.

For Asriel;

So he's probably way devastated, I've got to assume lots of stuff w/ him not feeling strong enough & like he failed his best friend & sibling etc etc. I don't think his parents would hold the same complex emotions for him especially since he wasn't the one who initiated the plan. I think he'd spend the rest of his child/teenage hood trying to prove that he was tough "not a crybaby" & that he was strong enough. In the event that asgore were to declare war I can't see Asriel staying traditionally. I feel like you would probably leave w/ Tori. But hey, maybe he has guilt hurt himself so hard into thinking that this was Chara's Last wish, maybe humanity was that bad, maybe they do deserve what's coming. Maybe he takes joy in it? Maybe he doesn't but claims it to be the right thing to do. Maybe it's a bit of a flowey situation where eradication is the only option. (Going to be real fun when Frisk falls & they have the same tendencies or physical appearance as Chara).

I had the same darn idea lol!

If Chara was the survivor and was the one who declared war I would take it in one of two directions.

A) An Vigilante AU:

Toriel and Asgore banish Chara or compel them to flee to ruins, where they rally a group of anti-human monsters and become the one who watches over the ruins. Asgore doesn't declare war because they are shocked by the venom that their adopted child has for humanity, and Tori gives them a good talking-to. While the two goats try to keep the peace, Chara keeps rallying followers and ends up being the one who kills human kids for another chance of breaking the barrier and destroying humanity.

B) A Tyranny AU

Chara gets up on the stand and declares war but Toriel and Asgore are having none of it. Asgore is initially supportive but Toriel keeps them in check. Outraged by what they perceive to be their lack of regard for humanity's evils or the death of their son/best friend. Chara launches a coup d'etat which overthrows their parents and banishes them to the ruins. The result is a divided kingdom as some of the main cast have loyaties to Chara while others are still loyal to the Dreemurr parents.

Either way, lots of family drama and angst to go around!

Hey again! Just wanted to say thank you for answering that ask I sent regarding narrachara!

I totally agree with you that Chara's Pacifist run role is quite small compared to their role in Geno. But I wouldn't call it nonexistent.

They do encourage you to SAVE someone else during the Asriel fight, and at the end they tell Frisk "Still just you, Frisk" which implies that they still cares about Asriel (in the pacifist run) and that they were able to let go of their misanthropic hatred if they're able to talk like that to Frisk. Not to mention they call the bag of dog food half-full if you go without killing monsters and call that same bag half-empty if you kill even one.

Even if their role is tiny, I still think it's nice one because it gives them a nice little arc of sorts and another parallel to Asriel's arc as well!

What do you think? Love to hear your thoughts

P.S. Sorry, it's just that my autistic self loves talking about Chara lol.

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Oh those are good points! 100% I think they're still around during pacifist and that they have a changed perspective following Frisk. They even have that flashback in the patch of golden flowers in the dump, so undoubtedly they're there! I think my interpretation is that they're not fully "awake" if that makes sense?

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Totally makes sense @floralfaced Though I wouldn't say "awake" as much as "active."

I can go without narrachara and I understand realize it ain't a perfect theory but there a lot of stuff I like about it!

I like it a lot because a) there's lot of stuff that can be tied to Chara's character and b) it adds a nice bit of duality or something that they share between Asriel/Flowey and Frisk : i.e. that pacifist brings out the best in all three kids and the Genocide run brings out the worst.

Also, I'm a sucker for seeing them get redeemed and them being in the pacifist run and participating in it fulfills that to an extent. So yeah, lol.

Thanks for the answer!

Hi again! Fan of Chara here!

Do you think Chara still cared about Asriel and his family despite theIR love for efficiency and maximizing everything?

They did say in the newsletter that once they became invincible, "nothing can hurt anyone anymore."

Just love to hear your thoughts if it's no trouble at all.

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oou interesting question!! thank you very much I looove when ppl ask me about characters teehee

I actually draw chara a bit more charitable than I actually see them, tbh..

the way I interpret it is that chara DID care for the family, certainly. someone who doesn't care doesn't make a pink "mr dad guy" sweater, assuming that was made by them lawl, but also... I don't think chara was the nicest individual tbh. I always thought the small bits of characterization we get of them before death is very indicative of someone who probably wasn't treated very well, and thus has warped perceptions of what a loving environment should be and how to reciprocate these things

specifically, in the true lab, even though we don't know directly what they say, the tapes very much imply that they probably belittled asriel for things like crying, showing weakness (which certainly did NOT help his mindset down the line) and that they seem to bring his faith in them into question as a way to goad him on when he showed hesitation ->

not that I'm on the "chara popped out a villainous monster" train ofc, I very much think these things are even more evidence they didn't have the best life ever on the surface. and that's pretty much confirmed with asriels dialogue from the pacifist ending where he says chara "hated humanity" and climbed the mountain for an "unhappy reason"

and speaking of that dialogue, I think it very strongly implies that the reason chara made asriel pick up their body and bring it to the surface was because they knew he didn't want to do this, and wanted to force him into a self defense situation. I know that sounds like an unfairly cruel analysis, but there isn't really any other reason we would've been given that information in the way we were, just like.. narratively speaking. I believe that they either DID want to actually free monsterkind, or, less charitably, destroy the humans they held a grudge against (i could accept this either way because i dont think the core reasoning is actually integrally important to how the events ended up playing out, and its fun to keep things flexible here). in any case, I believe they definetly prioritized the plan over asriels safety, which isn't all that surprising considering they prioritized it over their own life.

overall I think their drive for efficiency and getting stronger is a product of the more than likely poor environment they came from, and maybe they want that strength to ensure some kind of safety for themself or the ones they love (nothing can hurt you anymore, nothing can hurt anyone anymore etc etc...). I think that whole attribute is a sort of vessel through which they show how they care, but it gets twisted into something more heartless through the genocide run. anyway this is long as hell. my god

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Great take @featherspiral (and btw your art is fantastic!). Oh and forgive me for the long ass essay that follows.

"I actually draw chara a bit more charitable than I actually see them, tbh."

Well I wouldn't call your art of Chara an inaccurate portrayal, I don't doubt there were many happy moments between Chara and Asriel. It just wasn't enough to make Chara the friend Azzy wanted in the end.

I remember when I first read the tapes in my first playthrough of Undertale and was quite bothered by how Chara treated Asriel. It isn't a stretch to say that Chara was manipulative and even a bit of hurtful sometimes with Asriel, even if there were good intentions behind it.

But I also believe it's important to remember that just because Chara was manipulative or even hurtful, doesn't make them irredeemable, especially considering pretty much all the main cast has done terrible things themselves. Just look at Toriel and Asgore: the latter hurts a child with fire magic just to test their strength and the latter... goes without saying.

"and speaking of that dialogue, I think it very strongly implies that the reason chara made asriel pick up their body and bring it to the surface was because they knew he didn't want to do this, and wanted to force him into a self defense situation. I know that sounds like an unfairly cruel analysis..."

It's not an "unfairly cruel analysis" to take into account the failings and felonies of a not irredeemable but still deeply flawed character like Chara. It is unfair to disregard their complexity and positive/negative qualities to portray them as someone who "did nothing wrong" or "did nothing BUT wrong" which was sadly a huge trend in the early fandom and only has just now started to cool down as ppl started to accept the merits AND flaws of Chara's character.

I believe they definetly prioritized the plan over asriels safety,

Totally. I definitely interpret them as an "ends justify the means" kind of character: They wanted to do the right thing and help those they loved, but the trauma they endured was so great that it left them with a warped view on how to achieve their goals and help those they cared about, which resulted in stuff like reprimanding Asriel for crying and the infamous buttercup plan.

"and maybe they want that strength to ensure some kind of safety for themself or the ones they love (nothing can hurt you anymore, nothing can hurt anyone anymore etc etc...)."

My thoughts exactly! Chara did care about others but when the geno came along two things happened that twisted their "drive for efficiency":

A) they lost their soul and therefore their ability to feel compassion/love like Flowey.

B) the only way they could achieve that strength so nothing could hurt them was to take part in the carnage you/Frisk was inflicting.

Though tbh, my interpretation of them in the genocide run does differ quite a bit from the mainstream. But that's a whole different can of worms, and a very large can of worms seeing how I wrote a 5000 word essay on it lol.

Thanks for answering my question. Best of luck with your art! I love your UTDR art!

My Mayor Holiday Predictions

-- Contrary to what we all think, she gets along QUITE WELL with Kris and even considers them family to an extent, even though she doesn't always approve of their behaviour.

--That said, she's not a fan of her daughter being with Susie because she's heard of her behaviour in school, not realizing Susie's changed for the better.

-- Speaking of which, she has a "I'm hard on you because I care" mindset towards Noelle. She loves and cares about her and means well but doesn't realize the harm she's causing. She's a parent trying to do her best in a bad situation, but doesn't realize the ways she's trying to get everyone through are hurting more than helping. Think less Shadow Weaver from SPOP and more Alma Madrigal from Encanto.

-- She doesn't get along with the Dreemurr parents, especially Toriel, who's always critical of her "tough love" approach towards her daughter. She also looks down on Asgore because of his failure to locate Dess and whatever got him removed from the police force.

-- She was tougher on Dess than Noelle because she used to be the primary target for her firm parents and had to fulfill her unhealthy expectations and demands, which led to a lot of fights between them. Now that Dess is missing, those unhealthy parenting attitudes have now been placed solely on Noelle.

-- If she's collaborating with Gaster, The Knight, or some other Dark World antagonist, it would be in a reluctant or ignorant capacity, probably because she thinks it will find Dess.

What do you think y'all?

A vent post disguised as a poll. Now that's something you don't see every day lol.

P.S. Toriel slander may not be as bad as Chara slander but HOT DAMN it comes close sometimes.

P.P.S. No better way to celebrate International Women's Day than by venting about shitty takes about one of the best women in all of gaming (if not all of fiction.)

Sorry I'm late, but I thought there would be no better way to honor International Women's Day than by paying my respects to one of the greatest women in all of fiction: Toriel Skeleton-fucking Dreemurr.

There's a light-year-long list of reasons why she's an icon, legend, and the moment. But for me, the reason she is such a flawlessly written character is that she's anything but flawless!

More often than not, mothers across fiction are usually depicted as these paragons of moral perfection overflowing with wisdom. Just look at people like Bambi's mom or Crono's mom who offer a little bit of guidance and advice to the main protagonists before being killed off or forgotten by the story entirely as their value is only defined by their relation to the (male) protagonist. I mean the fact they don't even have official names is quite telling in and of itself.

So what makes Toriel's character so special, powerful, and poignant is how she subverts that tired archetype. Yeah, she's got the usual shebang you see other maternal figures have: she got the tender smiles, endless affection, and unshakable convictions, but those qualities of her stand out all the more because they're complemented by very UNmotherly qualities.

She can be unobservant, overprotective, overbearing, misguided, erroneous, contradictory, dishonest, and even hurtful! Hell, she tries to trap Frisk against their will and then physically harms them with fire magic as a test of strength. And then on top of that, she still lets them go despite the fact their soul might be harvested for the sake of starting a war she swore to stop because she couldn't bear the thought of keeping them in the Ruins if it came at the expense of their happiness.

But those flaws and faults only serve to make her strengths stand out more and make her one of the most complex, nuanced, and well-written moms in all of fiction. And it's a real shame when people use these qualities to attack her rather than appreciate her.

Toriel isn't a perfectly written character because she was written to be perfect, it's because she was written as a person: which is how every woman deserves to be written!

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