Anonymous asked:
what is a gender non conforming person vs a gender conforming person?
person not conforming in ways ordained by societal expectations w/r/t assigned sex at birth
umbrella term because this varies culture by culture
Anonymous asked:
i've seen multiple comments from you where you've written "trans and gnc people" as if they are one group. terfs think gnc women are the only normal women, so why do you always lump them in with trans people as if terfs are anti both?
if you advocate for restrictive identification and bathroom policies, or get hostile to ideas about identifying as anything other than “adult human female” when AFAB, then you are not treating GNC people with the dignity they deserve, and i would consider you “anti both” and i believe most of that usually applies
Why do you think that anti-sex feminism is worth saving? All that SWERFs do is poison discussions of 'male abuse of women' with misandrist garbage, censor porn that harms no one, and introduce misandrist laws about SA/DV. If you want to be anti porn their are ways to be so without being a misandrist conservative.
i think to have solid ground here, we have to go through these what we are even using these words to *mean*
SWERF - sex work[er] exclusive radical feminist?
i see far more people defending sex work who are consumers than who are producers
the roots of radical feminism to me are that it’s a *pragmatic* philosophy. we are looking at reality on the ground. we are looking at what is happening to humans in the here and now
the vast majority of sex workers are victims. they are not eager enthusiastic and willing participants. they are doing it because they are hungry and they need to eat or pay rent or feed their kids or get through school
and yes, all work is exploitative. we are leftists and liberals here mostly (i presume?)
sex work does not just rent your body but your mind. you are pretending that you are enjoying the activity done to you. men who are paying are seeking out specifically the kinds of things that they would find defiling to do to someone they cared for, and simultaneously wanting you to pretend that it feels good
and yeah, you can conceive of a utopia where sex is a neutral as a handshake - some of the ideals of gay male “cruising culture” (this is what my arguments around kink would similar be focused around now I think, for kink, that although we can imagine Tom of Finland’s world, we do not live there)
in reality it’s complicated. it can hurt. it can smell bad. they can say cruel things. they can stealth you. they can immediately end your life in ways that are not preventable, even in an idealized brothel. they teach men (because, again, pragmatic reality) to view sex as transactional interaction to get him off, that bodies are buyable, that reinforces that women don’t actually *want* sex but most be persuaded to give it out
the same goes for porn, except it exemplifies the other act - that it is primarily showing things that would not feel good on most female bodies. if you look at the videos with millions of views on PornHub or what men share with each other on forums, it’s things like fellatio and anal sex. I understand that some both acts can be enjoyable for cisgender heterosexual women, but the popularity of subreddits like r/painal is showing something else. we want to imagine a world with like, idk, The Crash Pad series or continuing the rich history of art patronage by allowing starving artists to survive drawing sonic inflation porn, but that’s not what it is for the vast majority of people who are producing and consuming it
“misandry” is just a word that feels so poisoned it’s useless, as a reflexive “thought terminating cliche” move. i do see silly posts along the lines of “all men are evil XY chromies” - but like, no one takes that shit seriously. idk, even the 14 year olds posting that shit have like a dad or a friend or some shit. the idea that “men” as a class could systemically be oppressed in a society by “women” as a class is a historical class unless we through in a shit ton of intersectionality in the mix - but then you’re going to have to pick the specific axis you want to look at race (white women taking advantage of sexual dynamics against black men in the civil war south is the most immediate example in my mind) or economic class/prestige castes/aristocrat privilege
intersectionality aside, teenage boys do not grow up hiding keys in their fists because of Aileen Warmous.
the Ecole Polytechnic massacre happened because a man was mad that women had dared invade STEM. like, you can trot out Valerie Solanas…?
there is no argument for misandry having any form of systemic power other than shitposts on here by 13 year olds who are getting flushed down the same strange path that J K Rowling is on. it’s the same kind of misandry that tells young women they are morons for sleeping with men who hurt them, and then develops into some kind of decision that someone who allows that to happen to them deserves it because they should know all men can’t control themselves…
that is then patriarchal “misandry.” the “all men are evil” is a patriarchal “conservative” misandry, which is the one that has power
the so called “sex negative” feminists were never saying that all men are like that - but that all men are taught like that. that we grow up thinking of women’s bodies as commodities or disposable or as a weird quirk. that it’s the framework that lies over everything, that regardless of whether you ascribe to it, the mass of human beings act like this
sorta like how in physics you model things around centers of masses and assume densities are uniform. misandry is not a useful framework, other than the “conservative misandry” that ultimately is not a true misandry, because it’s design is to benefit men
women are taught to cover because men can’t control themselves, women are taught self defense or are reluctant to give out numbers. i think there is room for discussions on masculinity in queer subcultures, but the bulk of humanity drifts in a way such that the only “misandry” that has any societal power is the kind that teaches men that it’s good to hurt people
if you want to give some specific examples of the laws you referenced, i’d be interested in them
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I'm sorry, but I love Joanne istg
She has a response to every dumb thing these people say. Not to mention these idiots are actually trying to mansplain her books to her and tell HER what they actually mean and what the morals are. Bro they're her damn books, I think she knows what they mean more than any of y'all.
who’s the trans dictator trying to create a totalitarian state right now? didn’t Julie Serrano coup Christine Jorgensen and we have a democracy right now?
hey - all trans people - as we are a collective entity - will you vote for me as Voldemort?
brown shirts are a little drab, and the “death eater” robes are a little too on the nose. what about
for trans masc folks
for trans fems
remember how at the last Trans Cabal meeting we were hiding our hidden secret powers, our “innate advantage” - as Voldemort i promise you’ll never have to hide your magical powers again
i will also do a cool dance if you vote for me, so it’s a good idea
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fucking... ms paint comic about eggs
what kind of amuses me about this comic is that the people in the last panel are like upset
I have a good friend that went through a kind of similar journey, was really involved in a trans discord and then was like yeah, i don’t see gender as having a point
and no one was disappointed? or upset? like, i do dislike “egg discourse” but like i’ve read shit like r/asktransgender and been on discords and had really deep conversations with people about my own experiences when they’ve been trying to understand their own?
i’m pretty sure that if people dug through the top posts of r/asktransgender without the single minded determination to find some “oh I love when dress go swish swish” post to get made about - they’d see shit where people who decided they were cis were celebrated? or people who decided that they felt something but didn’t want to transition, or came up with a different answer
idk, i’ve seen stuff like this shitposted hundreds of times, this “trans people want to reinforce gender roles” shit is just so demonstrably false
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"what if a dangerous man pretends to be trans to-" what if we actually dealt with the underlying causes of dangerous men. what if predators faced real consequences more often. what if you stopped using trans women as a proxy for your grievances with liberal feminism's individualist denial of the need to fight systemic issues.
what if you stopped assigning blame for patriarchy's evils to one of its more vulnerable victim groups.
Anonymous asked:
terfs will look you in the eye and be like your genderless utopia that allows people to self identify and make whatever physical changes they see fit is ridiculous unlike MY genderless utopia in which everyone is still categorized as male or female
"we will liberate women by making sure everyone rigidly adheres to their assigned sex category 🤓☝️ I am very smart"
i mean yeah, that’s the cognitive dissonance at the heart of TERFism
you’ll see the same woman on here post about being anti shaving or make up or whatever and how fucked it is that women are constantly supposed to look a certain way, and then just viciously mock a trans woman’s appearance
or “we can always tell” or the weird bioessentialist ideas that seem to motivate the paranoia that *everyone* with an XY chromosome is scheming to harm women at all times
like i genuinely think stuff like this is a healthier approach to gender than what we’ve got going on
i’d like gender to be a question that everyone gets to interact with in their own ways. if a trans woman who grew up being told that she must perform masculinity and suppress her interests in anything “feminine” takes joy in wearing pink frilly dresses and make up as an adult - how the fuck is that individual creating a system which defines “woman” as pink frilly dresses?
that’s i think what gets them so worked up too - their conception of sex and gender is mandatory and uniform. they want there to be one answer to “what is a woman” - but the real victory *would be* making it so that answering that statement is an act of self definition
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I also wanna say that I graduated undergrad with one of my majors being “women and gender studies” in 2018 and trans people were not mentioned in any of my classes. My main, brilliant professor with phds in both women’s studies and psychology (I know it’s more specific than that but i don’t remember) had us reading about and discussing socialization, men as an oppressor class, micro & macro examples of sexism, and systemic misogyny. We talked and read and wrote about female liberation. We discussed a ton of feminist theory and various feminist authors. We focused heavily on the intersections of misogyny and race, sexuality, and class. And the focus was always women and our sex based oppression. This sexist trend of dismissing or diminishing misogyny and dancing around the reality that women are an oppressed class is new and fragile. Less than 10 years ago genuine feminist sentiments were gaining mainstream traction. We can make up the lost ground.
my friend who got his BA in women’s studies in 2014 had professors that would literally invite trans people to panels to talk about being trans. i talked to dozens of womens and genders studies classes over the 2010s
pretty sure things like Stone Butch Blues or Lou Sullivan were on reading lists
that’s very odd that none of your classes on women’s and genders studies mentioned the existence of transgender or GNC people. that feels like majoring in physics without ever discussing kinematics
although i guess it does track with the level of intellectual rigor usually typified by the TERF. the attempt to put on the cap of academia, without the work to earn it. there’s always bragging about classes and degrees, but rarely evidence of the learning that supposedly took place
I’m not getting into it with you because I genuinely think you’ve got something wrong with you based on how constantly you’re in radfem replies riling yourself up and getting on your knees for men that wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.
But I will say that the anti intellectualism from yall is as bad as maga.
yeah your pseudo intellectualism is tbh worse than the honest rejection of intellectualism by MAGA. they’re proud of their ignorance, you’re insecure of yours
(usually, when i talk about how awesome a class was and all the books i read in it, i include a couple authors names or ideas that i found compelling. i was never really in a WGS class as a *student*, but i had a great “history of American childhood” class that we read The Body Project: An Intimate History of American Girls and talked a lot about the way that toy marketing creates gendered expectations. this kind of “i majored in this thing so i know a lot of it” always comes across as larping - smart people don’t usually need to brag about their credentials)
it’s kinda funny how you really aren’t capable of reading my responses - it gets pushed through that ideology filter and turned into whatever straw man you feel like you can take on today. i’m guessing that the “men who wouldn’t piss on [me] if [I] were on fire” is intended to be a hateful reference to trans women, who i don’t think i mentioned at any point in this conversation
Anonymous asked:
genuine question: what does "tirf" mean to you? like functionally. an important part of radical feminism is the obliteration of gender in all its forms. how is one trans-inclusive when eradicating gender? if everyone on earth is genderless then how would gender dysphoria be a thing? trans people would cease to exist, surely? what would trans people identify with in a post gender world?
sex dysphoria would still exist and need treatment in a “post gender” world. if i was in a world where the words “man” and “woman” were meaningless, then i would still want testosterone
i feel like someone identifying as a xenogender does a great deal more to poke holes at the foundation of “gender” then the bullying trans women for not meeting feminine beauty standards that TERFs seem to think is activism. “genderfuckery” has always been a popular idea in trans spaces as well as trans humanism and ideas that we could “customize” ourselves
i think those ideas assault the core foundations of sex based oppression. the majority of people have understood gender as laid out at birth and one of the main determining features of the course of your life (eg - that woman have basically been slaves in pretty much every human society ever, sometimes to the point of literal chattel slavery)
trans people of all varieties are kinda saying “no, i don’t accept this frameworks hold on me, i’m going to find one that works for me”
above all, i’m a humanist in Maslow/Rogers terms. these are all *frameworks*, they aren’t *real* - we want to have happy healthy actualized people, and get rid of harmful societal expectations that are in the way
my TIRFist utopia would treat gender as a vehicle for self expression and autonomy. if someone calls themselves “leafgender” and runs around dressed in green, i really don’t see that as “reinforcing the patriarchy” or even the idea of gender itself - i actually see the idea of treating gender and sex like a “joke” as probably the most effective way to defang them
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I also wanna say that I graduated undergrad with one of my majors being “women and gender studies” in 2018 and trans people were not mentioned in any of my classes. My main, brilliant professor with phds in both women’s studies and psychology (I know it’s more specific than that but i don’t remember) had us reading about and discussing socialization, men as an oppressor class, micro & macro examples of sexism, and systemic misogyny. We talked and read and wrote about female liberation. We discussed a ton of feminist theory and various feminist authors. We focused heavily on the intersections of misogyny and race, sexuality, and class. And the focus was always women and our sex based oppression. This sexist trend of dismissing or diminishing misogyny and dancing around the reality that women are an oppressed class is new and fragile. Less than 10 years ago genuine feminist sentiments were gaining mainstream traction. We can make up the lost ground.
my friend who got his BA in women’s studies in 2014 had professors that would literally invite trans people to panels to talk about being trans. i talked to dozens of womens and genders studies classes over the 2010s
pretty sure things like Stone Butch Blues or Lou Sullivan were on reading lists
that’s very odd that none of your classes on women’s and genders studies mentioned the existence of transgender or GNC people. that feels like majoring in physics without ever discussing kinematics
although i guess it does track with the level of intellectual rigor usually typified by the TERF. the attempt to put on the cap of academia, without the work to earn it. there’s always bragging about classes and degrees, but rarely evidence of the learning that supposedly took place
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Pause, why did we ever start using the word "transwoman". That was a little bit of brainwashing that snuck it's way through too easily. Like bring back transvestite, perfectly fine word. No male is any kind of "woman".
the word “transgender” is older than you are, dumbass
judging by the quality of thought in your other posts, this *article* might be older than you are lol
I know the SATs kicked your ass in school because the question was "Why did we ever start using this term?". Not "When was this term coined?".
yeah, the word was coined in the 70s but no one actually used it then obviously. they just invented a word and put in the corner for a bit until the evil trans cabal decided they wanted to destroy feminism and dusted it off
i did pretty well on the SAT back in the day. i usually help people with ACT nowadays though. it’s probably good that the science section is optional - the lack of critical thinking skills won’t hurt your college chances *too much*
as far as your reading scores - my recommendation for improving reading of course is always reading more. unfortunately, that will probably require you to accept that some people are different from you - it’s kinda hard to keep the kind of regressive and limited world view that you have when exposed to the full diversity and beauty of human expression
3 paragraphs. question unanswered. 0/100
tbh i assumed it was a rhetorical/bad faith question because you do seem to be allergic to learning anything (like let’s be real, you don’t actually care unless you see something that you can jump on to justify the fact that your life is so sad you have to define yourself around a hateful, regressive, alt right ideology)
but here yah go, i spent a whole minute googling for you
Ok awesome so the entire dumb term “transgender” was invented to pathologise people who don’t want to abide by sex stereotypes, grouping them all together so they can organize more effectively to bother everyone else. Got it.
need help with your eighth grade reading test, or it just that TERF inability to engage with anything other than strawmen short circuit going on here lol
I don’t need a delusional woman’s help, but I am always happy to be there for delusional women. If that day comes, I’ll be around, still female just like you.
please keep bragging about your inability to read and comprehend a Wikipedia article, it really makes you look smart
Belief that the theoretical concept of gender roles has anything to do with the sexed body is your cognitive illness, not mine. Be blessed, and as always, thank goddess I’m female
sorry, i don’t subscribe to your religion. feel free to worship your womyn mother goddess as you like. but just as i ask the Christians - your religion *your* rules (but when X Day comes and i get my own alien flying saucer, i’m having all the fun i can cuz i sent my $30 to “Bob”)
(did you know the term “man” historically just meant person btw lol)
the APA doesn’t seem to understand being trans as a “cognitive” illness. i think the APA is a better source of information than someone who doesn’t know what the word “cognitive” means. if you want to get back to me when you reach the Piaget stage where you’re capable of abstract reasoning, then maybe i’ll take your attempts to diagnose strangers on the internet as someone with no form of mental health expertise seriously
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Pause, why did we ever start using the word "transwoman". That was a little bit of brainwashing that snuck it's way through too easily. Like bring back transvestite, perfectly fine word. No male is any kind of "woman".
the word “transgender” is older than you are, dumbass
judging by the quality of thought in your other posts, this *article* might be older than you are lol
I know the SATs kicked your ass in school because the question was "Why did we ever start using this term?". Not "When was this term coined?".
yeah, the word was coined in the 70s but no one actually used it then obviously. they just invented a word and put in the corner for a bit until the evil trans cabal decided they wanted to destroy feminism and dusted it off
i did pretty well on the SAT back in the day. i usually help people with ACT nowadays though. it’s probably good that the science section is optional - the lack of critical thinking skills won’t hurt your college chances *too much*
as far as your reading scores - my recommendation for improving reading of course is always reading more. unfortunately, that will probably require you to accept that some people are different from you - it’s kinda hard to keep the kind of regressive and limited world view that you have when exposed to the full diversity and beauty of human expression
3 paragraphs. question unanswered. 0/100
tbh i assumed it was a rhetorical/bad faith question because you do seem to be allergic to learning anything (like let’s be real, you don’t actually care unless you see something that you can jump on to justify the fact that your life is so sad you have to define yourself around a hateful, regressive, alt right ideology)
but here yah go, i spent a whole minute googling for you
Ok awesome so the entire dumb term “transgender” was invented to pathologise people who don’t want to abide by sex stereotypes, grouping them all together so they can organize more effectively to bother everyone else. Got it.
need help with your eighth grade reading test, or it just that TERF inability to engage with anything other than strawmen short circuit going on here lol
I don’t need a delusional woman’s help, but I am always happy to be there for delusional women. If that day comes, I’ll be around, still female just like you.
please keep bragging about your inability to read and comprehend a Wikipedia article, it really makes you look smart
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Pause, why did we ever start using the word "transwoman". That was a little bit of brainwashing that snuck it's way through too easily. Like bring back transvestite, perfectly fine word. No male is any kind of "woman".
the word “transgender” is older than you are, dumbass
judging by the quality of thought in your other posts, this *article* might be older than you are lol
I know the SATs kicked your ass in school because the question was "Why did we ever start using this term?". Not "When was this term coined?".
yeah, the word was coined in the 70s but no one actually used it then obviously. they just invented a word and put in the corner for a bit until the evil trans cabal decided they wanted to destroy feminism and dusted it off
i did pretty well on the SAT back in the day. i usually help people with ACT nowadays though. it’s probably good that the science section is optional - the lack of critical thinking skills won’t hurt your college chances *too much*
as far as your reading scores - my recommendation for improving reading of course is always reading more. unfortunately, that will probably require you to accept that some people are different from you - it’s kinda hard to keep the kind of regressive and limited world view that you have when exposed to the full diversity and beauty of human expression
3 paragraphs. question unanswered. 0/100
tbh i assumed it was a rhetorical/bad faith question because you do seem to be allergic to learning anything (like let’s be real, you don’t actually care unless you see something that you can jump on to justify the fact that your life is so sad you have to define yourself around a hateful, regressive, alt right ideology)
but here yah go, i spent a whole minute googling for you
This passage just rambled on the evolution of the use of "transgender" without really getting into the specifics of why it's preferred. Of course, we all know it's preferred because it supports the fantasy that one can change their sex via social role expression, but this is a fantasy that evolved and unfolded over time with ever-increasing boldness in tadem with ever increasing tolerance and indulgence- not something decisively decided upon at any one particular point in time.
do you know how TERFs on here mock the idea that gender is “just clothes”?
the name “transvestism” quite literally invokes “just clothes.” idk, i have a couple of nice retro women’s blouses (Teddi’s with the shoulder pads A++) i wear but i’m still a man in a women’s blouse
like Sylvia of course id’d with it because it was the language available at the time - but that was the conversation people were having
prolly around the time Jorgensen came on the scene was when “transsexual” really took off i think (1950ish)
“transsexual” was a preferred term until about the late 90’s - early 00’s for many (i’m having flashbacks to “Susan’s (iirc) Place”/Usenet)
but “transsexual” implied a universal goal towards surgery. many trans people don’t view surgery as “what makes them” trans. surgery is a way to address dysphoria - to change “sex” - but this is for some not all. i kinda like holding onto it as a way to describe people who experience being trans in a trans medical framework myself - it’s a term i would use preferentially for myself in a vacuum i think at the moment
“transgender” probably gained the majority in the mid 00’s. it’s just a nice comfy umbrella term. there is *something* that could be called “gender,” and we are all fucking with it in our own unique ways
btw - i’ve graded at my fair share of HS essays but i cannot for the life of me figure out what the last clause means here, care to elucidate?