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blogging about stranger things cuz why not II hater of season 3 II safe space for jim copper haters II Justice for Kali Prasad II Be Real Not Nice II idc if u call me bad shit if u saying good shit II REBLOG! ASSHOLES II
Anonymous asked:

I think it was because he was abused or something and apparently had drinking problems? Like bruh you cannot claim to use subversion of 80s horror genre tropes and at the same breath make your black character one of the victims without even focusing on it. Its just...? St can really use some criticism sometimes

Yep it was because he had drinking problems and was a disgrace to his family as per the voiceover that Patrick and we hear as he's riding in the car with Jason n the gang. And then Lucas mentions that he once saw him with a black eye. That's it. That's all.

Patrick deserved way better. Even discounting the fact that he's black. The same episode had the stupid mid air fight between Murray Yuri and Jim's girlfriend. That lasted longer than necessary. That existed. Both valid reasons for having a more fleshed out buildup to THE MOTHERFUCKING SACRIFICE FOR ONE OF THE FOUR (NOT FOURTEEN) GATES.

Maybe if they cooled it on Eleven slow jogging through the lab, eyes wide, breathing heavily and emoting nothingly, Jopper doomsday fucking, Elmike/Mileven, (God stop milking it, it's not great writing, we are gaslighting ourselves to believe it is cuz there was a time we thought the most they'd do for gay Will is have his best friend say something INCREDIBLY HOMOPHOBIC to him), a Russian plot sillier than season 3's - fucking talent, I could go on we could've had something justifying (at the risk of sounding repetitive) A MOTHERFUCKING SACRIFICE FOR ONE OF THE FOUR (NOT FOURTEEN) GATES.

Also leaving you with some of this:

Jason to Patrick

Mike to Lucas

Billy to Max about Lucas

Mike about the science fair contest

(Let me elaborate: It was a state competition and the result was political? MY conjecture is it was not because of frogface or a boy with no teeth or a boy who his town thought was queer - I'm suspecting it wasn't a statewide consensus. Who's left?)

Jason with Lucas

Andy with Erica

I'm not American so I'm not someone who gets the whole American experience of it. But American cultural colonisation means I'm somewhat aware of the tendencies in media. N to me personally I don't resonate with a white/black/brown American character on a racial level but just by how they're written n how well the work is performed. I do not live in a post racial world bt my country has its own different version of racism. That is to say any character being white/other colour is of ZERO value to me. So when I am consuming foreign media, I'll be like this is well written that is not. But then when I arrange them in order of well written to not or underwritten, it's a shade card alright. (🙋🏻🙆🏼🙅🏽🤷🏾🤦🏿) So ya. It's like white ppl tend to write white ppl better. What a discovery. Idk if to call it racist or "I don't see colour" in that I only see white cuz it is not a colour. (How is that for colour theory?) That is NOT to say that X CANNOT at all write about Y. Writing is after all a collaborative effort. It just means you gotta do both: collaborate and put effort.

ST exploits the tropes more than / before it subverts them. And like not in a good way. It's a fantastic show with plenty of opportunity to love it and shit on it in unequal measure tipping more in favour of shitting. And I'll be doing both. Especially regarding the characters that don't go by the name of Mike or Eleven. But them too.

You'll also see me Kali raging soon. Very soon. She might also be (DEFINITELY IS) why I have this whole new account anyway.

El's abuse > Kali's abuse. Okay. At least accepted within text by the writers. Want the "yass girlboss El shoulda snapped Angela's neck for....er...breaking your diorama and ....er......throwing milkshake on you" crowd to respectfully go. Just go. Go Away!

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Why Will's resentment of El is not an in-show theme:

  1. Diorama scene

Scene begins with El completely clueless about the school dynamics - eg. waving hi to someone who dgaf. She knows she isn't having a great time (hence lying to Mike) but at the same time she feels like THIS IS THE DAY when everything will change. Bruh if you haven't gotten the memo till a day before spring break maybe Hopper didn't call you stupid enough.

Talking about Hopper - presumed dead - presumed hawkins mall fire hero - subject of El's direyama, it wasn't Will's job to find a hero for El nor was it his responsibility to to suggest she make a projected presentation (his own project's a chart ffs). The shots of Will looking nervous and upset when El presents is for 2 reasons:

i) She followed Angela

ii) She followed Angela

It doesn't matter what your project is, your bullies aren't bullying you for quality control purposes. I guess people who think they can just intervene and stop bullying by their aura alone, truly have no idea how bullying works. Hopefully, for better understanding the material being analysed (to death), they do get to experience being at the receiving end of it, even if it's just a little.

As per El's own admission she chose the diorama as a visual aid - as she was allowed to. Idk if y'all expected Ms. My grammar's getting better also to do a verbose write-up or Ms. sheltered in the lab has got no one poor bby to just suddenly know and find heroic inspiration in famous personalities. What is it? Is she undersocialised and trapped or not? Analyse that.

2. Post presentation

Will tries to assuage El that her presentation wasn't that bad (not a lie that it was great but it truly wasn't the worst) But Ms. friends don't lie won't listen to him. (omg willel wonder twins friends). Sidenote: how was Will gonna tell her that her project was "not what she should have made"? I am guessing the lines would be similar to Angela's and El's response would be similar to El's. Anywho. I'm not spending more time analysing this scene that was clearly meant to establish that El's lying in her letter to Mike and she's not really having a great time in California - which isn't just about the school and bullying btw but also (moreso) about her father's death and the loss of her powers (shown by the scene of her walking away merging into a depressed max doing the emo walk to the chart topping kate bush song: nordic walking really fast up a cliff.) But let's forget all that on-screen text for fanfic hit pieces.

3. Die a rammer

Before El's homage to Hopper meets the wrath of Devila there's a small scene (bby scene tiny as hell uwu) of El receiving her maths tests results. And they were F-ing bad. Another scene to establish how much creative writing went into El's letters to Mike. Will should have tutored her though, I agree. The least he could have done for the girl that got him kidnapped and then saved him from the kidnapper - but was it really saving if he's forever changed? Not important: this is about establishing Will's guilt and El obviously has none.

Anyway, El is minding her business and California dreamin' but Angela and the minions trip her up and methodically destroy her diorama. It doesn't help that an enraged El tries to telekinekick Angela's ass, but as we all know (and now re-know) she has lost her powers and is sad and frustrated about it.

Now some brilliant scientific minds of our generation wanted Will to step into that shit show and (and what?) defend El? The guy that famously freezes? The guy who loaded up a gun in 3.5 seconds but froze up and didn't use it on a literal monster with a monsterface? The same guy who has NO POWERS (would be copying El) and has been bullied throughout his life, not only in school by his peers but even whole ass adults. They called him slurs, egged on by none other than his own Papa. So the great analysts with zero experience in bullying and less than basic level of empathy towards bullied people, wanted Will to shatter his little never seen before peaceful Cali existence to save El after the fact? Yes, Zombie boy go save your social pariah wonder woman channeling sister friend. The fact is, he NEVER abandoned her, but he also didn't have enough social standing at school to prevent El from getting bullied. (A point missed in all analyses.)

He was upset and worried and headed over to console El, not in secret no no, out in the open. He is not a fighter. He has never stood up to his own bullies. He's only "sassy" with his friends and family, people he's close to and feels safe with (a feeling he associates with El too, as seen in his "sassiness" with her, but that's for later.)

Poor El had to be rescued by the teacher herself. No other person in that entire school that was present did anything even remotely expressing sympathy - no they were all laughing at her. Only the teacher and Will were in her corner. So much for resentment.

4. Rink O Maniacs

Let's begin with the airport waiting area: Two happy Byers pookies (yes even I have to concede that El was a pookie here) waiting for their incelebrity crush/love - disappointed almost immediately by the scrotoid they fancy cuz they've not discovered feminism yet.

El has the whole day planned, Will is there around them cuz I guess he's too young to be hotboxing with (a concerned and all-knowing) Jonathan and my man Argyle. I mean they could've bonded over being stressed out over not their girlfriends.

Instead though, Angela and the aerobics class decided to eff up El's planned dayte. Angela on being called El--er--Jane's friend grabs her and heads over to the rink. Will knows El's lying, but was he supposed to idk just blurt it out with all that audience? What was he supposed to do? Was he supposed to pre-empt the attack (either) in a crowded place? He wasn't physically gonna stop anyone, let's be real. If Angela would have picked on him, he'd be the one on the rink dressed in milkshake. So let's not pretend it's a reaction unique to seeing El in distress. No that's his response to BEING DISTRESSED - which he was, seeing his sisterfriend whom he likes and doesn't resent (apart from her being the love of Mike's life) in trouble.

Mike goes "above and beyond" i.e. reacts the way y'all would've loved Will to react (but it's not his gene type). Will however is worried and the one that alerts Mike once he realises, things are no longer gonna go anywhere but down under. He finally, reluctantly, but for his sisterfriend El, tells Mike about her problems, or that she's having them. Mike also can hear what's being announced for all the rink (a dedication to Jane the snitch) and coupled with what Will's told him reacts fast and tries (the operative here, he failed too) to stop the show.

Acting prowess aside, Mike and Will are both shocked and worried by El's "wipeout" in a crowded rink where it seems nobody likes her. Mike calls out to El who runs away hurt and embarrassed n not in the mood to answer him.

Now, they BOTH look for El, and MIKE the cunt thinks it's a great time to have a one on one with Will, about him "sabotaging" the day. (I still don't know how he did that, since M11 were pretty much enjoying the date till Angela appeared). The stupid gay fight happens, whatever man, idgaf.

El straightening up in the staff closet hears Angela and the pussycats (and not stupid byler) laughing (most likely at her) and decides, powers or no powers, Angela's gonna feel it tonight. The iconic Angela facelift happens after El's appeals to salvage the day and protect her lies are dismissed. Mike and Will are both again there to give loud reactions and Mike manages to be a moid even in that situation and questions El's overreaction (he at least truly believes that, unlike Will who is ready to lie to the cops abt it being an accident, lol) (Also, a quick mention Mike doesn't remind her of Brenner, Mike's the final straw that takes her back to the lab, she's already feeling weirded out by the blood and the people surrounding her, but ya whatever.)

Commentary:

Will asking El about why she's lying to Mike, isn't just him caring about Mike being lied to over El's well-being. If one's to engage a third braincell, one would notice that Will, too, found out about El's lies that day itself. He realised cuz he lives with his sisterfriend and is with her at school and at not school and so knows whatever she's saying and Mike's recalling from the letters has more imagination put into it than his painting. Will is annoyed at El and Mike (El - cuz he says it, Mike - cuz Mike says it) for being made a third wheel and also being greeted awkwardly (let's not forget he literally didn't gift Mike the painting which he painstakingly made cuz of Mike's weirdo behaviour.) That's not resentment, that's plain annoyance - an emotion Will has shown multiple times over the course of 4 seasons. His emotions don't only exist in the context of El and Mike's existence - you may ask Jonathan and Joyce, if you don't believe me.

It's hard for some people to read Will's character as anything other than a lovesick fool or brother of the main character, and their analysis reeks of this. Let's not forget, unlike Mike Wheeler, Will actually has his OWN stake in the supernatural/sci-fi/horror/superhero plot. Mike is the romantic lead. Will and El have their own journeys and stories both including and completely independent of each other and Mike.

Will not showing El the painting, is more a testament to his enduring feelings for Mike and the post-puberty clarity of romantic/sexual attraction vs puppy love. El didn't show Will her letters to Mike either. (And I am not saying she should have.) Will is not in the text to serve El. In fact, Max herself got promoted from that job. Just slapping on Vecna preys on this juicy shit - doesn't make it true. I am not saying Will and El are perfect siblings, but they're close to it and the show wants us to believe that. (You may take this as a contribution to DBros/MissedOpporunities OTP fanwork)

Will's resentment of El is the jealousy from romantic (not even) rivalry, but it is a very small part of their relationship. He could and should have been more pissy about having the girl who (even accidentally) upended his life just being his new sister now (mike or no mike) but that's not what Will is as a person. Will's jealousy of El is also something he takes out on Mike and NEVER on El.

Maybe there's such a thing as re-watching the show too many times. Y'all jumbling up character names. Y'all need to be peer reviewed.

Anonymous asked:

What do you make of Shawn recently replying back to a Bylers request of an intense rain scene btw Mike and Will for S5 with a wave emoji?

It's not a recent ask. Lmao. But I hope not. One of them can't carry it. And the other should have supernatural stuff to worry about. Kinda uninterested in the romance bits (of anyone) tbh.

Anonymous asked:

mike el and will are boring and overrated tbh. the real fans with taste like max, dustin and lucas better.

I do like Will. But I get it. He's been entirely useless for the last 2 seasons.

Willumaxustinancithanuzierica. Anyone not in this, I don't particularly care for.

Anonymous asked:

Both Mileven and Byler are toxic. but Bylers cant accept that and worst thing is when anyone tries to point it out they get upset.

Bylers created this fanon Mike in their heads and try to pass it as canon. no he is not suicidal. he does not have secret letters he wrote for Will. he was not calling Will every day every night. nobody was making homophobic remarks aimed at Mike. nobody forced Mike to be with El he chose that. he keeps picking El over Will each time. he focuses on him when El is not there to make out with.

the shippers are still stuck in season 2 basically. and they cannot move on. as deep down they see how not only Mike as a character has regressed since season 3, but also Will and Byler - they just repress it, harder than Mike represses his sexuality.

Bylers its toxic just admit it. Will is spineless - a doormat that lets Mike walk all over him. he thinks he is a mistake and Mike is the only one he can depend on to make him feel better about himself. Mike proceeds to treat him like garbage and Will gets mad for few seconds then forgives him. is that healthy to you?

Mike and El will not have a wholesome mutual breakup where they hug and settle on being friends yada yada yada this isnt a fanfic. there is no Elmike friendship in canon. yall just made that up, as you tend to do to make Mike look better.

i absolutely get that, though. Mike now lost all his personality, it’s just El El El El El El El El to the point you forget he has other character traits which get overshadowed by him being El’s boyfriend, loving El, focusing on El, talking about El, worrying about El, being mean which is caused by his obsession with El.

you guys have this pathetic belief in Duffers’ amazing writing skills and that they are those geniuses that will make satisfying deep arcs for all characters you like. well take off your shipper goggles and look at just how many characters and plotlines they screwed up already.

Bhaiyyaji. Have you sent this to everyone? Every "byler" blogger? Like it's fine. But sending it to me is not. Like at least read my blog bhaiyyaji. Don't you know I'm not like the other girls?

Also how dare you say I think the Duffers are geniuses? That was the last straw that killed this turtle.

But posting this cuz a kindred spirit is a kindred spirit even if they don't know.

Also bhaiyyaji I still believe in byler endgame. But that's the ONE thing you didn't ignore.

Anonymous asked:

Me when byler happens in the last episode and watching them kiss with the most tired and blank expression on my face to celebrate this super revolutionary queer plot twist story

You and me and many.

Anonymous asked:

S4 shows how weak the writing for the romances is. All the canon couples fit into the roles of character x character’s gf/bf, and it irritates me.

Hopper and Hopper’s gf.

Max and Max’s bf.

El and El’s bf.

Nancy is… Steve’s something while Jonathan is away.

El and Mike

Mike and Will

Hopper and Joyce

Max and Lucas

Nancy and Steve

Nancy and Jonathan (let's be honest Argyle was the doer in Cali and Suzie in Utah)

Jason n dead gf.

You do bring up a good point. I keep saying. ST is a terrible romance show. It's fucking not about friendship n shiz when in the end all your grand gestures are for romance.

Anonymous asked:

what would be moreeee reverting expectations. having a single mother and father who look after their children while also running the house and just being good friends. or two hot actors forgetting that their children even exist and making out with each other.🧐🧐🧐

Found family? More like found fwb. Please. Is there anybody who's found someone on this show and not proceeded to make out with them in like 3.5?

Re hopper n Joyce. It's 2 wrongs won't make a right. A realistic show would show both of them at least slightly interested in raising their kids. Atp they're just treating them like succulents and trynna keep them alive.

Dead hopper is one less bad parent.

Anonymous asked:

anon giving way too much weight to people "hating" Will when i can assure you: few ppl actually gaf and are just half asleep mindlessly scrolling and liking whatever is creating "buzz" rn. when most people consume a story and actually formulate their opinions on it: the FICTIONAL MATERIAL is what actually evokes opinions on a character or story-- not the real lives of the actors 😭😭 this is only big now cause ST5 is years away from dropping. a decade from now, when ST likely remains a pop cultural phenomenon, you think ppl are really gonna go "I hate this character that's literally written to be loved cause im angry at the actors personal life grrrr" lol yeah no. the art will always persist, even as the actor/creator fades into obscurity

in the years following st5... if Will is handled at least semi decently by the creators, he'll stay a loved character. in fact, anon should be more worried about Will's story being disliked due to dumbass writing in the finale, not any dumbass actor 🥱

I won't fidget with perfection.

Anonymous asked:

You think people will keep hating on Will thanks to his actor indefinitely or do you think most won't care like that anymore by the time s5 comes out (aka in like two years...)? Like, people on twitter and such have goldfish memory, but they're also pretty selective about it so idk

I think we've severely overestimated the number of people forming the audience who give a fuck and also misjudged just how many fucks, the ones who're being charitable with their fucks are giving.

Literally read a post where some dumbfuck's solution was to pretend the creators and actors are different people. (Not a peep about not watching the show. We bend reality.)

There are others who will pirate. Literally makes no difference when it comes to the show's status in pop culture. GoT was the most pirated show. Wore it like a feather in it's cap.

So, no.

The real question is, whether twitter is even gonna exist till S5 comes out?

Anonymous asked:

Not really juicy but still controversial take in eyes of some: Byclair should have been the endgame not Byler.

Cannot believe I have to clarify this but no this is not Mike or Byler hate.

I would have chosen Caleb to play Mike tbh. (Sorry Ms. Cuba, not a fan of your casting.)

Byclair yes, if we talking about two people who won't give psychological damage to each other.

But byler for is for those who love their m/m to have a battered wife love hurts I hate you cuz I love you flavour.

P.S. You're allowed to hate Mike and Byler. yoUr feELinGs arE vALid.

Anonymous asked:

St ending with a mileven wedding would be the most duffers thing to ever happen actually idk why ppl think it has zero chance of happening

My money's on a steve wedding. To some new girl nobody knows. Mileven not getting married. It may not have zero chance, but it seems closer to zero than not.

Anonymous asked:

Matt: "The most important part of our writing process is outlining the script. Our desks are more or less next to each other. We put on our headphones and go into Google Docs on our iMacs and work on the story simultaneously, often without speaking. It’s creepy when other people witness it. If Ross writes something I don’t like, I’ll delete it. If he writes it back in, I’ll delete it again. Then we take off the headphones and have a conversation about it. Conversation is a polite word. Now, even when we’re working with our other writers, we force them onto Google Docs and do the same thing. It’s like trying to create a hive-mind."

this quote totally explains everything to be fair. some of the ST scenes just look like something they’d sloppily insert into a google doc 🙄 who allowed these men to write a show???

I thinkbof you delete what I've written twice I'm not even gonna fight for it. Go make your shitty show. As long as I'm getting paid. ORRRRR. I leave post season 2. Which I'm guessing happened and the people on the DBros' level stayed. And we had S3 and S4. Thanks for nothing Google docs.

Anonymous asked:

in a byler break up scenario, who do you think would make the most sense to be the one doing the dumping?

Will. There's a Bollywood movie called Queen. I'd like him to have Rani's arc. 😛

Anonymous asked:

Most bylers will ignore the fact that the Duffers said Mike was depressed because of losing El in S2, not chronically depressed lol. S2 was actually a Mileven season more than the bylers like to admit.

Every season is Mileven season, but S2 is more byler season than any other season's been byler season. And that is with Mike fuckin off in the end to save El not giving 2 shits about Will's state because he literally went AGAINST what he himself said earlier. That boy is a Mileven stan. People need copium.

Re Mike's depression. Yep. He's NOT chronically depressed at all. It was a response to El's perceived death. People wildin if they think otherwise.

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