Jin Ling: Jiujiu I'm baby🥺
Jin Guangyao: Yeah Jiang-zhongzou can't you see he's baby
Jiang Cheng:
I'd pay for a sitcom with them tree XD
It'd be cool if Nezha 3 could reference the first movie's joke of Ne Zha wielding a petrified Ao Bing like a club, but this time, it's the other way around.
Imagine this—Nezha gets hit with a poison or hex that paralyzes him, like the Heart-Piercing Curse but without any needles growing out his body. He's in his teenaged, six-armed form when this happens. His hands freeze into different gestures, with one holding his spear.
It's up to Ao Bing to protect Ne Zha and fight for the both of them. That's when he gets the idea to wield Ne Zha. Soon, the enemy is getting slapped in the face, elbowed in the side, poked in the eye, punched in the stomach, tickled in the ribs by the only hand Ne Zha can move, and struck by his spear before being pinned to the ground under Ne Zha's feet.
And in each shot Ne Zha is used to attack, he's grinning with glee.
TBH I do think some Jiang disciples did survive the Lotus Pier massacre, if only because they had been elsewhere when it happened/too old or too young to fight so they ran (<-which could be a fun thing to grapple with for both the potential run-aways and newly recruiting Jiang Cheng, who was sent away), but it still wasn't enough people to be called Great Sect. So I think as you say they recruited anyone they could, including some rouge cultivators and some from smaller sects that were destroyed or taken over by the Wen Sect. I don't think they tried to recruit - while the Sunshot campaign was going - a lot of people without active golden core, because they would simply have little time to train them between the battles. Some probably did manage to join the Sect like that, and these would probably grow quite close to people who taught them between the fights.
Also Jiang Cheng having to be at least one of these teachers, because they are short on the disciples but shorter in those trained in Jiang style even more so. And how after the war he must've been doing that still, on top of having the sect to run as both Leader and Head Discipline (because Wei Wuxian was going through things he chose to neither explain or acknowledge) (1/2)
(2/2) Also Jiang Cheng, who almost had to watch his brother get caught by the Wen soldiers when he went off alone in the streets, WOULD try and make his disciples work in big enough groups to protect themselves. Also also Jiang Cheng that seems to go off alone rather often.
Oh, and Jiang Cheng throwing his weight around when his disciples get into some sort of disagreement/scuffle every time, and being harsh on the other party (totally not because of finally being able to shield someone he cares for) and never satisfying the questions about the punishment (totally not because of his mother and Zidian and Wei Wuxian). Even when Jiang disciples were in the wrong. Not meaning there was no disciplinary action, just that it never went outside the sect.
Also taking in some non-cultivators that are good at other things (like Jiang Yanli!) or people who lost their golden cores but can still fight and teach (because he remembers not having a golden core and how that felt like; and maybe he realises somewhere along the way that he might've been able to live without one too; which would certainly add even more flavour to learning whose golden core really was inside him all along).
The latter headcanon is also so amazing because resurrected Wei Wuxian would have to confront how he dealt with the loss of his core and finally stop saying he is fine and reflect on his feelings about all this, including Jiang Cheng
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Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with me :D I am so absolutely taken over by this subject!
This is why I'm writing these things, I love to discuss them with other peeps:)
Your message pushed me onto another path of wild speculation via the mention of the other smaller sects that JC would approach to recruit - and that pushed me into the economics of Jinaghu and their influence on the post-war lay of the landXD
Which I am putting under the cut, because it's a lot of rambling to get to a point, but that's how it is in these parts;]
Also, the map I will be using, because it's as good as any other:
Adding on a bit here, I do consider righteous cultivation sects to be (generally) separate from the local government. (because of other danmei and wuxia and such I've read, and that I, personally, equate sects more to a religion base than a governmental base.) This isn't 1:1 though, I would say the most governmentally connected sects would probably be the Wen and the Jiang- the Wen because they're power hungry, so I think WRH's attempt to take over the cultivation world would have extended to him trying to name himself emperor eventually. So I think he likely did have some governmental position and ties to better control that region, and the Jiang because it's explicitly stated that Lotus Pier is in/beside a civilian town and they'll come to watch the disciples train and all that. (I do consider the Jin to be well connected to the non-cultivation world too, but more because they have m o n e y and I'm sure their local politicians/royalty would cater to that.)
More on regional characteristics and why Lotus Pier may have been specifically targeted under the read more...
I am having so much fin with this whole head canon thing, so many good ideas are floating around! Your additions gave me a lot to think about!
To begin with - I am operating from the opposite initial standpoint to yours - in my view, the sects ARE the local governments. The reason I believe that is (apart from the faraway Emperor that always kinda-sorta exists beyond the borders of Jianghu;) that cultivation is a lifestyle for privileged people. A child starting to learn it is a child that is 'lost' to the family - they will not help with the chores, they will not work the land, they will not inherit the family business, they will not be married out, etc. If it was just wandering monks taking on disciples then okay... but the sects are wealthy, and the upkeep for the disciples that are virtually economically kinda useless costs a lot of money. So the gold has to keep coming in.
Thus, it makes sense to me that cultivation was mostly spreading amongst the rich elites - who could afford to give out their third sons and daughters to be trained in something that added prestige to the family, but was economically a drain... and I can see how that could develop into the cultivation entering these aristocratic families' curriculum more and more, because if there is one thing rich people want is power and long lives. And bringing the teachers and masters home to train the children on-site was more convenient and cost-effective. And so it snowballed from there. Prestige added to the family name, respect of the commoners, and additional military power in case of unrest. Something like pre-WW1 European aristocracy sending their sons to military schools to get them out of the parents' hair without breaking the bank on funding their civillian livestyles.
I can easily see Jiang sect being established by the roaming cultivator that married into local gentry - which gave him the funds to establish the sect in the first place.
That's why I think that the Gentry sects ran the political scene on top of the spiritual one - it just makes sense for the largest powers in the land to do so. Just taking into account their size and scope, and wealth - secular governments wouldn't stand for it.
As for the Wen expansion, then yes, I agree, there was a reason they targeted Yunmeng so directly and acutely.
I would go a step forward on this and say that - being as rich in resources as it was, and also a direct neighbour - Yunmeng probably had active trade with the Wen territories. It would explain Jiang Fengmian's lethargic reaction to the mounting Wen aggression and his belief it will all blow over. He trusted that Wen Ruohan won't attack a long-standing trade partner who provided a lot of goods to the remote Qishan... He didn't think that Wen Ruohan could just one day decide to skip the middle-man and take the fertile lands of Yunmeng for himself.
The Nie and the Lan were Wen's political enemies, but they didn't have much for the Wen sect to be worth a full-scale attack over.
Lan sect, in my understanding, is wealthy, but I wouldn't place them even close to the Jin, Jiang or Wen. They have cultural wealth of history and education, but their land is mountainous and a bit remote. I think most of their money came from administration of the lands belonging to the sect, and the coffers were guarded by the austere lifestyle they practicedXD But on a cultural level, they are the only one to actually rival Wen Ruohan's ambitions of total superiority (both economic and cultural) - so they were set on fire. Like one would burn books containing opposing ideology.
Then, again, I see why Jin Guangshan was so slow with joining the war effort - like Jiang Fengmian, he trusted the trade relations with the Wen to save them from the butcher's block. They had sea access, they were a valuable trade partner! But JGS isn't a fool, and once the tides began to shift, and it seemed that the Jiang may yet be resurrected... a weakened and dependent Yunmeng was a more attractive long-term prospect than any pact with Wen Ruohan at full greedy power of his military force
To all my writers who have a tough time with smut terms and not knowing which ones to use, I have found the holy grail for us.
This reddit user took a poll of 3,500 people and went really in depth with asking their favorite terminology, along with actual pie charts on what the readers preferred to see in their smut.
A treasure! Especially the Notable Omissions sections.
Now that's interesting. I like great polls and this one is enlightening. 😆🤭
:bangs hands on the table: JIUJIU JIUJIU JIUJIU. Teeny waist, dressed to kill, whip in one hand nephew in the other, happy birthday you beautiful disaster man you’ve ruined my whole life
#actually back when I was doing the will-I-or-won’t-I dance of figuring out if I was going to watch The Untamed #(it looked cool! a bunch of my friends were watching it! but oh god FIFTY EPISODES?? hard pass no love story was worth that much) #what finally sold me was finding out that The Purple Guy was a Sad Single Dad Raising His Nephew #started looking up stuff about him specifically and BAM. instantaneous #you mean to tell me this pretend man not ONLY is a huge jealous baby about His Brother The Protagonist paying attention to the love interest #not ONLY does he make a slightly frantic ‘yes surely this is what I’m Supposed to look for’ list about the ideal qualities of a wife #only to fall instantly for the prickly take-no-shit doctor lady and get heart eyes about how she’s the coolest ever gosh #not ONLY does he dress Like That #not ONLY does he look like he’s about to burst into tears at any given moment #not ONLY does he fling the protagonist off a cliff (I thought they were brothers?? JUICY) #a huge bitch?? #a lightning whip??? #a contextless screenshot of him getting hauled dripping out of a cave as he screams to let him go so he can return to his brother’s side???? #(seriously though if this happens WHY THE CLIFF WHAT’S THE STORY THERE -) #(also my goodness does he uh. get soaked often in this show) #NOT ONLY ALL THAT #you’re telling me he also raises the kid??? dads the kid???? sad angry purple man scrapes together all his sad and all his angry #and buckles down and DADS THE KID????? #pain and love and hard work and fucking up and doing the work anyway because love????????? #glorious. perfect. #a scientifically-engineered Ideal Man For Me (via op)
Something that keeps spinning in my head is the idea of Jiang Cheng joining a nighthunt with Jin Ling, the other juniors as well as Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji (maybe even Wen Ning). What happens is that Jiang Cheng gets hurt, not fatally but enough that having a healer look at it would be the smart move. But Jiang Cheng hides the injury. No one but Jin Ling clocks that there's something wrong with him. He got hit and fought through the pain, so nobody realized that he was injured. After the hunt, the group stays at the same inn. The juniors want to celebrate and Wei Wuxian isn't going to miss on an opportunity to drink and have fun. Jin Ling comes down to dinner and says that Jiang Cheng won't join. He makes a sort of downtrodden face which everyone interprets as him getting a scolding or something from Jiang Cheng. In truth, Jin Ling is worried about his uncle. Wei Wuxian who was and wasn't looking forward to having dinner with Jiang Cheng attempts to cheer Jin Ling up. Saying things like 'Jiang Cheng probably just wants attention, he's always withdrawn to sulk'. When Jin Ling goes to check on Jiang Cheng, Wei Wuxian tells him that he should be enjoying himself instead of indulging the childishness of a grown man.(Is that too harsh?) Jin Ling laughs and says he'll be back soon.
The next day, some Jiang disciples arrive among them someone who Wei Wuxian can identify as a healer, the others can't. Before Wei Wuxian can announce this to the group who is speculating about the Jiang group's arrival, Jin Ling asks him for a word. Which is good because Wei Wuxian also wants words.