Okay, but this does make the meme into a trilogy.

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Liar. Shameless liar.

Yes, I am pissed that there is no improvement to be seen yet for the third season in a row in how Marinette takes advantage of Chat Noir and his trust. And, no, this episode pointing out Marinette's lies is not enough to give this a pass. Alya losses her memory in the end so Marinette goes back to being held to no standards by anyone around her. She will just continue doing it until hell breaks loose, like always.

Yes, BUT

Marinette is not the only flawed character, when the circumstances required, never has to face consequences for their bad behavior and never had to realize that they need to grow.

Adrien never deal with real consequences for not being able to take a no for an answer when he was pursuing Ladybug.

I don't think Alya apologized for trusting Lila lies like a fool, Nino never face consequences for compromising him and Rena roles of heroes on multiple occasions.

If we want to held Marinette accountable for her actions, we need to the the same for the rest of the cast.

Marinette is the protagonist and holds power over others. That is why she is held to a different standard. When you hold power over others you are *required* to be better. If you are not, that power should be taken away from you.

Alya holds no power.

Adrien holds no power.

Marinette holds *all* the power.

Her *role* in the show demands either she be written to be above such petty failings *or* it needs to hold her accountable in a manner that is more than 'Marinette feels bad in her room.'

This is not about Marinette *as a person* it is about the character/role. And specifically the character/role in a show targeted at children.

Marinette lying to Adrien needed to be a short-arc 2-3 parter tops to be good. Make the lie, realize it's wrong, correct the lie, move on.

Continuing to drag it out over and over just presents her as unfit for her position. It's bad framing for a kids show. It would be fine in a different show targeted at a different audience.

I don't want an unfit Marinette, I want an awesome Marinette kids can look to as a *good* example.

I am frustrated by the choice to make Marinette prioritize her own discomfort over Adrien's right to know.

It's something you'd expect from Chloé.

I totally agree with you, Marinette really need to grow up, cause a lot of her attitudes are wrong and she is meant o be a role model for the audience.

My argument is more around bad written that the character being the evil incarnated

Liar. Shameless liar.

Yes, I am pissed that there is no improvement to be seen yet for the third season in a row in how Marinette takes advantage of Chat Noir and his trust. And, no, this episode pointing out Marinette's lies is not enough to give this a pass. Alya losses her memory in the end so Marinette goes back to being held to no standards by anyone around her. She will just continue doing it until hell breaks loose, like always.

Yes, BUT

Marinette is not the only flawed character, when the circumstances required, never has to face consequences for their bad behavior and never had to realize that they need to grow.

Adrien never deal with real consequences for not being able to take a no for an answer when he was pursuing Ladybug.

I don't think Alya apologized for trusting Lila lies like a fool, Nino never face consequences for compromising him and Rena roles of heroes on multiple occasions.

If we want to held Marinette accountable for her actions, we need to the the same for the rest of the cast.

In what reality did Adrien not face consequences for not taking the "no"?? She literally violently and publicly manhandled him into a trashcan, threw it on a roof and kicked him out like dirt.

And then the rest of s4 proceeded to also have Marinette and the whole plot blame everything under the sun on Chat Noir's love for her (especially Kuro Neko). Did you just not watch the show?

Alya was planned to apologise and basically desperately ask for forgiveness, they just cut the scene out of Confrontation. There are story board versions of the s5 episodes and there you can see it. I don't know why they cut it, but it was in fact there.

And do you mean Nino saving Alya's life in Risk because he didn't wanted to see his girlfriend be killed? Yeah, how awful of him. I hope he learned his lesson and will now let Alya and everyone else die brutally to be "professional". Screw that his powers literally is PROTECTION. But let me guess, it would have been totally fine if he had saved Marinette and not Alya.

And no, I don't need to first write an essay about the other characters to "earn" getting to voice valid criticism of Marinette. I can just do that.

First of all, relax, it is just a cartoon, if you don't want to have a calm exchange of opinions, it is your choice.

It seems that opposite opinions are not welcome in your post, and that it is valid, I am an adult so I can't really start heated arguments over cartoons, cause I can't know if the person I am talking is a minor.

I won't bother you anymore

Liar. Shameless liar.

Yes, I am pissed that there is no improvement to be seen yet for the third season in a row in how Marinette takes advantage of Chat Noir and his trust. And, no, this episode pointing out Marinette's lies is not enough to give this a pass. Alya losses her memory in the end so Marinette goes back to being held to no standards by anyone around her. She will just continue doing it until hell breaks loose, like always.

Yes, BUT

Marinette is not the only flawed character, when the circumstances required, never has to face consequences for their bad behavior and never had to realize that they need to grow.

Adrien never deal with real consequences for not being able to take a no for an answer when he was pursuing Ladybug.

I don't think Alya apologized for trusting Lila lies like a fool, Nino never face consequences for compromising him and Rena roles of heroes on multiple occasions.

If we want to held Marinette accountable for her actions, we need to the the same for the rest of the cast.

Very, VERY fitting dialogue choice to give Marinette. She just says a vague "Because the truth is too harsh" without in any way clarifying who she is talking about.

Adrien or HERSELF?

As much as I agree with Alya (and goodness fuck I agree with her SO MUCH) I do hope that people still remember that Marinette is a child. As much as it is true that it is much better to tell Adrien the truth, especially as he is an abuse victim, the thing we're kind of losing is that we're wanting another child who was also traumatized by the same man.

In case we all forgot, Marinette fought Gabriel one on one (which itself is insane because Gabriel did not care that she was a child), and when she trusted him to make the right choice, he not only chose not to, but also had to physically hurt Marinette in the process.

And plus, why IS Marinette the one specifically obligated to do this when Natalie and Felix (especially Felix), Adrien's literal FAMILY, don't wanna tell him? Honestly it will be much, much harder for Adrien once he learns they told Marinette the truth before him, even though he is the one directly affected by it.

Alya is correct, and is very reasonable. She gets it, but you also have to remember that she isn't the one who saw everything. It's easier to think logically when you're not the one in that person's shoes.

Marinette is deadass a kid traumatized by Gabriel being told to tell trauma to another kid that was traumatized by Gabriel.

Marinette has been shown throughout the seasons that her coping mechanisms are unhealthy. The episode she tells Alya her identity, if you recall, Marinette was going off the rails and going insane because she herself is traumatized as heck and pushing away her best friends thinking that it's best for her. The girl does NOT respond to trauma for herself well, what makes you think that this situation, where, even though Adrien is the main victim, Marinette still has some trauma that came from Adrien's abuser? It's a two way trauma, where she reacts to her own badly, therefore causing the reaction where she handles telling the truth (which was revealed to her by locking her in a damn room and then pulling her in some masked show) to Adrien, who was abused by this man?

But seriously

Why rely on her, when Felix and Natalie, PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGURES IN ADRIEN'S CHILDHOOD THAT HAVE KNOWN WAAAAY BEFORE MARINETTE, not being obligated to tell him the truth?

Logically, there is no nuance. Marinette has to tell Adrien the truth, as he is an abuse victim.

But Marinette is not the only one who knows, and those people, who Adrien's family, are also telling her to shut her mouth. And again, Marinette was also traumatized by the same man. While not as much as Adrien, it still left a mark.

I agree with this, while I expect that Marinette will face consequences in order to grow and be better, other people need to acknowledge their contribution with the lie, Nathalie, Kagami, Tsurugi and Félix.

Can't afford art school?

After seeing post like this 👇

And this gem 👇

As well as countless of others from the AI generator community. Just talking about how "inaccessible art" is, I decided why not show how wrong these guys are while also helping anyone who actually wants to learn.

Here is the first one ART TEACHERS! There are plenty online and in places like youtube.

📺Here is my list:

Second part BOOKS, I have collected some books that have helped me and might help others.

📚Here is my list:

As for Supplies, I recommend starting out cheap, buying Pencils and art paper at dollar tree or 5 below. For digital art, I recommend not starting with a screen art drawing tablet as they are more expensive.

For the Best art Tablet I recommend either Xp-pen, Bamboo or Huion. Some can range from about 40$ to the thousands.

💻As for art programs here is a list of Free to pay.

Those are the ones I can recall.

So do with this information as you will but as you can tell there are ways to learn how to become an artist, without breaking the bank. The only thing that might be stopping YOU from using any of these things, is YOU.

I have made time to learn to draw and many artist have too. Either in-between working two jobs or taking care of your family and a job or regular school and chores. YOU just have to take the time or use some time management, it really doesn't take long to practice for like an hour or less. YOU also don't have to do it every day, just once or three times a week is fine.

Hope this was helpful and have a great day.

Incase people missed this.

New Frame Plus for character animation! Incredible analysis by the guy that used to do Extra Credits

Autodesk sketchbook is also a free drawing program

Two artworks I made on my cellphone, using the free software ibisPaint X. Left using only my fingers, and right when I finally got a phone with a stylus.

Real artists love to create and will always find a way to do so.

This is a good list of drawing teachers & free art resources (yay!) but is a little sparse on female/femme artists who put up free drawing lessons or helpful critiques, so may I recommend Jackie Droujko, Chris Hong Art, and Sara Tepes to start us off & I'd love more recs if people have any. ✨

I also highly recommend McKay & Gray for beginners interested in comics or character design, they are a husband/wife team and Ursula does most of the art lessons.

im sorry? i dont know. im sorry

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Honestly, in my opinion, Marinette saying she doesn't trust Chat Noir for THIS reason did nothing but VALIDATE Alya in her anger.

Cause all that Marinette actually says to Alya here is that Marinette doesn't want Chat Noir to know because she thinks it's way too likely that Chat wouldn't stand for that lie either and not knowing who the boy underneath Chat's mask is would leave Marinette helpless if Chat were to flip her off and just decide to tell Adrien the truth as civilian behind her back.

Like, that's literally all Marinette said to Alya here. Even if she probably didn't even realize it, it nothing but VALIDATED Alya in her opinion that telling Adrien is the right thing to do because now she being told by Marinette that Chat would side with her, ALYA, and not Ladybug if he knew.

So from Alya's perspective, it's Marinette vs both of her partners who she deliberately keeps in the dark BECAUSE she suspects they wouldn't agree with her.

Which is ironic cause Alya started this conversations asking if this is a Ladybug and Chat Noir vs Rena Rouge situation, only to find out it's Chat Noir and Rena Rouge vs Ladybug.

Honestly this is as bad as Ephemeral because Marinette is so self-centered she only "trusts" Chat Noir as long as she can manipulate him into doing what she wants.

That's not a partner that's a micromanaging boss.

Ah yes because she wanted Chat Noir to reveal his identity and it wasn't under Su-Han's order or she didn't have an elaborate plan that would wipe her memory and prevent her from doing it by virtue of only Viperion learning the truth and informing Su-Han instead of her.

Like I'm sorry but if LB was honest with CN on this, he would refuse because Su-Han can bite it for all CN cares. He's not going to reveal his identity because HE said so. LB is the guardian, HIS guardian, not Su-Han, and if there's anyone who's going to learn his identity it's going to be her because he trusts her, while she doesn't trust herself, which is also what limits her trust in others.

Oh wow, revealing his identity to a third party without his consent. Truly a bastion of morality.

Whaaat? Chat Noir would say "No"? 😱 We can't have that! What would happen if people just told Marinette no all the time? What kinda consequences would there be if she didn't do what Su-Han wants!?

Oh, what's that? Ladybug did end up telling Su-Han no? (After a temporal anomaly showed Marinette her plan would fail) And he just, accepted it?

Wow! It's almost like they could've done this from the start!

But then it would be Chat Noir saying No and not Ladybug.

And as we all know.

Only Ladybug's consent matters. 😇

I never said it's a bastion of morality, I literally said she had no choice on this matter. She literally didn't want to do this and once she realised everything went to shit because of this idea she canceled it altogether and told Su-Han to fuck off.

Next thing you know Su-Han would track Chat Noir by himself and confiscate his jewel or we have a repeat of Furious Fu trying to reclaim the box. Su-Han can in fact beat them in a fight, remember? It was a possibility that LB had to take this into consideration and only followed through with this risk because the alternative apparently made Sass use Second Chance, so of course in the long run telling Su-Han off is a better outcome in comparison that had to happen first before at all.

Like seriously stop making this about Marinette being selfish, she literally didn't ask for any of this, she's literally doing what the universe drilled in her head to do. She wouldn't blame CN for saying no, but once again, no real choice as far as she's concerned.

Marinette didn't know they could've done that from the start. What do you expect her to be, a psychic? Like no:

"Only Adrien's happiness matters 😇" Because sorry, but this ain't slick. I too want Adrien to be happy, but so does Marinette and she's not the architect of his misery. Want to blame someone? Blame the adults in-universe and out-of-universe, as it is pretty much their fault.

I think that we all can agree that adults in Miraculous universe, failed both Marinette and Adrien. They created situations and then left the two teenagers to clean up their messes

Now, people are not wrong to criticize Marinette bad actions, and she was specially exhausting and manipulative as an heroic partner towards chatnoir, while fighting Shadow Moth. Her worst example is indeed on Ephemeral, cause she constantly lied and exclude Chatnoir without a good reason, and then she manipulate him into revealing his secret identity while she could just asked ChatNoir to reveal directly his identity towards SunHan.

I am not saying that Marinette is the evil incarnated, I am saying that she has too many flaws that prevent her to be a good girlfriend and superhero leader. And she really need to start facing consequences for her actions instead of:

LB: "I am sad cause I made a mistake 😢"

Everyone "NO LB, YOU ARE THE BEST, YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG, LETS PRAISE LB AGAIN"

Marinette while being in a terrible position while lying to the world about Monarch, really needs to face consequences, not for punishment, but for her to grow and mature.

She didn't exclude CN for no reason, CN only in Kuro Neko actually proposed to actually help LB with her responsibilities which is too little too late considering LB already had an established system of retrieving the jewels. Not to mention he did so because his feelings were hurt and not out of a sense of obligation or genuine support, and she was handing out the jewels because he was consistently not showing up.

The extent of her hurting Chat's feelings in S4 is basically: "She won’t date a coworker, won’t give out confidential private information (something he wouldn't use or need if LB is still the one keeping track of all the jewels), doesn’t appreciate flirting and misusing important tools in the middle of an active safety zone, and doesn’t give head pats and reassurance when you don’t want to do your job. How dare she hire sufficient backup employees so they’re not short-staffed when someone is unavailable/taking a mental health break/trapped in goo/whatever. Won't even admit to the press, and by extension the rival firm (villains using miraculouses), that it takes half a dozen employees to make up the shortfall if one of their top performers is MIA during a critical project." Because let's be real, superheroism is a job.

I get it that Ephemeral was bad, but the entire episode resulted in the apocalypse Marinette had to fix again, as she's aware her initial plan went to shit. Sounds like the consequences of her actions to me.

What growth? Do you really think Marinette is being selfish here? No, she literally does this because she's trying her best to do the job in spite of the universe itself screwing her over. LB and CN can't reveal their identities without an apocalypse happening, CN gets no importance as Fu and the rest of the guardians didn't give him shit, he himself never figured out to actually help LB on his own, he gave up the ring because he wasn't strong enough to push through his own abuse and unstable emotional state, and the main villain succeeded in the end.

It is true that people are not holding Marinette accountable, but that's because they refuse to share her responsibilities with her meaning it's Marinette's responsibility to keep the world from destroying itself, and for that, she doesn't have much of a choice but commit shitty actions. After all, otherwise, it's just apocalypse. The writing went out of its way to put Marinette in a terrible situation and still blamed HER for it while she literally has to do whatever the fuck plot wants her to do to not combust, no matter how wrong or nonsensical it is. It's literally killing Marinette on the inside and yet you still think she needs consequences, like she doesn't have it bad enough?

I do agree that Plagg complaining towards LB about "He loves you and you rejected his love" was an idiotic argument from Plagg. BUT I am talking about Marinette giving her miraculous towards Alya without informing Chat Noir, her manipulating him to reveal his true identity when she could just ask, ha already have proven that he would do whatever she asked him to do multiple occasions, specially while facing SUN Han, Her trusting more the other heros than Chat Noir, and she doubles down her attitude on Strike Back.(To be fair she was affected by Risk, but even by that, she wasn't willing to trust Chat Noir with anything)

And she isn't even that responsible, when she and Adrien give up their miraculous in order to start dating, even though it was a terrible idea to put rookies to defeat an even more powerful villain and clean their messes. Alix and Luka leave their homes in order to protect LB and ChatNoir, but it was more important to start dating. (In the arch of Monarch, I am gonna say that both LB and ChatNoir were super irresponsible while others were suffering cause of them, like "Alix", the kwamis etc)

Marinette is a really flawed character (chat Noir too), and the audience are harsher to criticize her, cause the show refused to acknowledge when she mess up and avoiding her to grow up, while she does her best, that doesn't mean that her mistakes are not valid.

Honestly, in my opinion, Marinette saying she doesn't trust Chat Noir for THIS reason did nothing but VALIDATE Alya in her anger.

Cause all that Marinette actually says to Alya here is that Marinette doesn't want Chat Noir to know because she thinks it's way too likely that Chat wouldn't stand for that lie either and not knowing who the boy underneath Chat's mask is would leave Marinette helpless if Chat were to flip her off and just decide to tell Adrien the truth as civilian behind her back.

Like, that's literally all Marinette said to Alya here. Even if she probably didn't even realize it, it nothing but VALIDATED Alya in her opinion that telling Adrien is the right thing to do because now she being told by Marinette that Chat would side with her, ALYA, and not Ladybug if he knew.

So from Alya's perspective, it's Marinette vs both of her partners who she deliberately keeps in the dark BECAUSE she suspects they wouldn't agree with her.

Which is ironic cause Alya started this conversations asking if this is a Ladybug and Chat Noir vs Rena Rouge situation, only to find out it's Chat Noir and Rena Rouge vs Ladybug.

Honestly this is as bad as Ephemeral because Marinette is so self-centered she only "trusts" Chat Noir as long as she can manipulate him into doing what she wants.

That's not a partner that's a micromanaging boss.

Ah yes because she wanted Chat Noir to reveal his identity and it wasn't under Su-Han's order or she didn't have an elaborate plan that would wipe her memory and prevent her from doing it by virtue of only Viperion learning the truth and informing Su-Han instead of her.

Like I'm sorry but if LB was honest with CN on this, he would refuse because Su-Han can bite it for all CN cares. He's not going to reveal his identity because HE said so. LB is the guardian, HIS guardian, not Su-Han, and if there's anyone who's going to learn his identity it's going to be her because he trusts her, while she doesn't trust herself, which is also what limits her trust in others.

Oh wow, revealing his identity to a third party without his consent. Truly a bastion of morality.

Whaaat? Chat Noir would say "No"? 😱 We can't have that! What would happen if people just told Marinette no all the time? What kinda consequences would there be if she didn't do what Su-Han wants!?

Oh, what's that? Ladybug did end up telling Su-Han no? (After a temporal anomaly showed Marinette her plan would fail) And he just, accepted it?

Wow! It's almost like they could've done this from the start!

But then it would be Chat Noir saying No and not Ladybug.

And as we all know.

Only Ladybug's consent matters. 😇

I never said it's a bastion of morality, I literally said she had no choice on this matter. She literally didn't want to do this and once she realised everything went to shit because of this idea she canceled it altogether and told Su-Han to fuck off.

Next thing you know Su-Han would track Chat Noir by himself and confiscate his jewel or we have a repeat of Furious Fu trying to reclaim the box. Su-Han can in fact beat them in a fight, remember? It was a possibility that LB had to take this into consideration and only followed through with this risk because the alternative apparently made Sass use Second Chance, so of course in the long run telling Su-Han off is a better outcome in comparison that had to happen first before at all.

Like seriously stop making this about Marinette being selfish, she literally didn't ask for any of this, she's literally doing what the universe drilled in her head to do. She wouldn't blame CN for saying no, but once again, no real choice as far as she's concerned.

Marinette didn't know they could've done that from the start. What do you expect her to be, a psychic? Like no:

"Only Adrien's happiness matters 😇" Because sorry, but this ain't slick. I too want Adrien to be happy, but so does Marinette and she's not the architect of his misery. Want to blame someone? Blame the adults in-universe and out-of-universe, as it is pretty much their fault.

I think that we all can agree that adults in Miraculous universe, failed both Marinette and Adrien. They created situations and then left the two teenagers to clean up their messes

Now, people are not wrong to criticize Marinette bad actions, and she was specially exhausting and manipulative as an heroic partner towards chatnoir, while fighting Shadow Moth. Her worst example is indeed on Ephemeral, cause she constantly lied and exclude Chatnoir without a good reason, and then she manipulate him into revealing his secret identity while she could just asked ChatNoir to reveal directly his identity towards SunHan.

I am not saying that Marinette is the evil incarnated, I am saying that she has too many flaws that prevent her to be a good girlfriend and superhero leader. And she really need to start facing consequences for her actions instead of:

LB: "I am sad cause I made a mistake 😢"

Everyone "NO LB, YOU ARE THE BEST, YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG, LETS PRAISE LB AGAIN"

Marinette while being in a terrible position while lying to the world about Monarch, really needs to face consequences, not for punishment, but for her to grow and mature.

I just know in my bones that Farmer Jim would have done numbers on tumblr ten years ago

And with your help, he could do numbers today

"Damnnnn this man hella fine, i mean he's evil but he could steal my miraculous anyday if you know what i mean"

For me, shadow moth deserves death, not only for being a magic terrorist and an abusive father, but his worst sin is being a fashion designer and having the most hideous costumes ever (and it is even worse cause his theme is around the butterfly and peacock)

The Queen of the Insects from the underworld

Or simply Insecta!

Okay, this was an idea I had a while ago and I decided to put it into practice, I made a holder of the 3 miraculous represented by insects, ladybug, bee and butterfly.

THIS IS SO FIRE

Neat ❤️

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