Property talk:P1292

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DNB edition ID
identifier in the German National Library catalogue (see also authority data P227)
DescriptionID for the items in the catalogue of the German National Library (Q27302) (DNB). Single edition of a book, not to be confused with authority file GND ID (P227).
Associated itemGerman National Library (Q27302)
Applicable "stated in" valueCatalog of the German National Library (Q23833686)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterde:Vorlage:DNB; DNB @ de:Vorlage:BibISBN
Domain
According to this template: version, edition or translation (Q3331189)
According to statements in the property:
version, edition or translation (Q3331189), music publishing company (Q1917775), record company (Q2442401), record label (Q18127), album (Q482994), scholarly article (Q13442814), magazine (Q41298), book series (Q277759), scientific journal (Q5633421), website (Q35127), newspaper (Q11032), periodical (Q1002697), publication (Q732577), single (Q134556), extended play (Q169930) or scholarly work (Q55915575)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values\d{8,9}[X\d]? (numeric string, 8 or 9 digits, possibly suffixed by "X" or another digit)
ExampleDer Herr Präsident (Q15220473) → 450155102 (RDF)
Ehrenwerter Herr (German edition, 1996) (Q15692204) → 948859040 (RDF)
Psyche (Q1668564) → 010696083 (RDF)
Deutsche Biographie (Q1202222) → 1063925193 (RDF)
Sourcehttps://www.dnb.de/
Formatter URLhttps://d-nb.info/$1
Related to country Germany (Q183) (See 361 others)
See alsoGND ID (P227), swisscovery edition ID (P9907), K10plus PPN ID (P6721), Library of Congress Control Number (LCCN) (bibliographic) (P1144)
Lists
Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total5,709
Main statement2,660 out of 46,300,000 (0% complete)46.6% of uses
Qualifier60.1% of uses
Reference3,04353.3% of uses
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Explanations [Edit]


DNB edition ID (P1292) is a Wikidata property to identify books (Q29547399). It links to the catalog of the German National Library (Q27302) (DNB).

Editions

This property is mainly used for editions, see Wikidata:WikiProject Books

Works

The main property for works is GND ID (P227)

Organisations

The main property for organisations is GND ID (P227)

The data of the German Music Archive (Q27901) (DMA) has not yet been fully integrated into the GND. Music publishers, record companies and record labels sometimes still have a DNB ID.

See also

German, French and Swiss union catalogs:

Format “\d{8,9}[X\d]?”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL
Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Rudersport (Q2171955), Presentation of different voice-training working methods and their comparative consideration (Q99734912)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Single value, SPARQL
Type “version, edition or translation (Q3331189), music publishing company (Q1917775), record company (Q2442401), record label (Q18127), album (Q482994), scholarly article (Q13442814), magazine (Q41298), book series (Q277759), scientific journal (Q5633421), website (Q35127), newspaper (Q11032), periodical (Q1002697), publication (Q732577), single (Q134556), extended play (Q169930), scholarly work (Q55915575)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “version, edition or translation (Q3331189), music publishing company (Q1917775), record company (Q2442401), record label (Q18127), album (Q482994), scholarly article (Q13442814), magazine (Q41298), book series (Q277759), scientific journal (Q5633421), website (Q35127), newspaper (Q11032), periodical (Q1002697), publication (Q732577), single (Q134556), extended play (Q169930), scholarly work (Q55915575)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Type Q3331189, Q1917775, Q2442401, Q18127, Q482994, Q13442814, Q41298, Q277759, Q5633421, Q35127, Q11032, Q1002697, Q732577, Q134556, Q169930, Q55915575, SPARQL
Conflicts with “GND ID (P227)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Conflicts with P227, search, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Scope, SPARQL
Label required in languages: de: Entities using this property should have labels in one of the following languages: de (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1292#Label in 'de' language, search, SPARQL
Pattern ^gnd\/(1[012]?\d{7}[0-9X]|[47]\d{6}-\d|[1-9]\d{0,7}-[0-9X]|3\d{7}[0-9X])$ will be automatically replaced to \1 and moved to GND ID (P227) property.
Testing: TODO list
 
work
version, edition or translation
Scan
Catalogs
Classification

Type constraint

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Right now "DNB editions" can be used for gymnasium (Q55043), fictional human (Q15632617), municipality of Slovakia (Q6784672), architectural structure (Q811979), academic library (Q856234) etc.

Can someone define the use more narrowly? @Emu: FYI. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The number is used for publishers as well, e.g. LT:s förlag (Q10552340). Why should there be contraints at all? If something's in the DNB, shouldn't it be linked? Förbätterlig (talk) 13:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of LT:s förlag (Q10552340) the DNB ID provides the correct link to GND 1129695662 (Q10552340#P227) but it is still a GND. However, there are exceptions: The data of the German Music Archive (Q27901) (DMA) has not yet been fully integrated into GND. Music publishers, record companies and record labels sometimes still have a DNB ID. For German readers see: de:Vorlage Diskussion:Normdaten#Musikalienverlag. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the property

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  1. 2014-04-26 proposal by Kolja21: "ID for the items in the catalogue of the German National Library (Q27302) (DNB). Single edition of a book, not to be confused with authority file GND ID (P227)." https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/22#P1292
  2. 2014-05-05 creation by Jakec: Label: "DNB editions" , Description "ID in the German National Library catalogue" https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1292&oldid=125796208
  3. 2023-02-12‎ change by Vollbracht: English label: DNB recording https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1292&diff=prev&oldid=1832858261
  4. 2023-02-21 change by Epìdosis: English label: DNB editions https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1292&diff=prev&oldid=1838490191

I propose to use a fact and source based method to derive the name of the property.

  1. ensure "ID" or some reference to it is included in the label, as is done in other labels of properties for identifiers in Wikidata
  2. https://d-nb.info/gnd/118540238 -> Komponist von 32 Publikationen, ... , Beteiligt an 1738 Publikationen -> follow that one ... Ergebnis der Suche nach: betRef=118540238 sortBy jhr/sort.ascending https://d-nb.info/365916285
    1. main content area:
      1. Link zu diesem Datensatz : https://d-nb.info/365916285 - the linked page states "idn=365916285"
      2. Titel : "Goethes Faust nach ältester Aufzeichnung 1771-1775 / [Nach d. Abschn. d. Luise von Goechhausen mit Übertr. in Goethes Schreibweise gedr. unter Verantw. von Max Heckert]"
    2. right hand
      1. MARC21-XML - file download offered, skip this one
      2. RDF - https://d-nb.info/365916285/about/lds - ... any type information?
      3. BIBFRAME - file download offered, search for the term elsewhere: https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/docs/bibframe2-model.html : Work - Instance - Item
    3. other
    4. RDA https://www.dnb.de/DE/Professionell/Standardisierung/Standards/_content/rda.html "Seit Oktober 2015 erschließen wir nach diesem Regelwerk.", "Dem Standard liegen das IFLA Library Reference Model (IFLA LRM) sowie das IFLA Statement of International Cataloguing Principles (IFLA ICP) zugrunde." ... "Mehr zu IFLA LRM" link to https://www.ifla.org/publications/node/11412, redirects to https://www.ifla.org/resources/?oPubId=11412, English version https://repository.ifla.org/handle/123456789/40 ... PDF offered: https://repository.ifla.org/bitstream/123456789/40/1/ifla-lrm-august-2017_rev201712.pdf ... "Although the structural relationships between the entities work, expression, manifestation, and item are core to the model, the attributes and the other relationships declared in the model are not required for implementation." ... page 25 LRM-E4 Manifestation : "A set of all carriers that are assumed to share the same characteristics as to intellectual or artistic content and aspects of physical form. That set is defined by both the overall content and the production plan for its carrier or carriers"

Result:

  1. DNB title ID (as in GND records of type=person at that place "Person" (=person) appears), or
  2. DNB manifestation ID (if each catalogue item is of that type, source missing), or
  3. DNB catalogue ID (on the top it says "KATALOG DER DEUTSCHEN NATIONALBIBLIOTHEK"), or
  4. DNB idn ID,
  5. DNB idn (the "id" in "idn" may refer to the type of the string, here identifier)
  6. DNB ID

Humanisator (talk) 19:12, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the discussion of this topic, see Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books#renamed property P1292. Kolja21 (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added "ID" to the German and English label, corresponding strings exists for many of the labels in other languages (~kod, ~identificador) [1] . I also turned the English label into singular ("edition"). @Vollbracht:, would you agree that this is an improvement? The word "edition" has no substantiation, and I would suggest to remove it, the labels in Czech "kód DNB" and Ukrainian (Latin script: kod DNB) already have no reference to "edition", and French "identifiant DNB (éditions)" and Spanish "identificador DNB (ediciones)" as well as Galician and Catalan - maybe derived from Spanish - have it in brackets. Humanisator (talk) 12:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would oppose removing "edition" (leaving only "DNB ID"), since this would probably result in many users confusing this with GND ID (P227); IMHO "edition" is probably the most intelligible label for most users, also because it has stayed there for years (and often changes of well-established labels can disorient users); I would not oppose "DNB manifestation ID" as alias. --Epìdosis 14:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Property:P1292#P1292$4b7ddf9f-4404-ab71-38e1-7e76627523c3 includes music publishing company Q1917775, record company Q2442401, record label Q18127 and Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1292#Types_statistics has counts for them: 10, 1, 1. If these three things are not subclasses of "edition", more precisely of "version, edition, or translation" Q3331189, then the label is wrong and maybe the statistics are biased since it was avoided on certain items because of the wrong name. "manifestation" is also a statement regarding the type of the things, and the companies and the record label aren't a IFLA LRM "manifestation".
Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1292 21 February 2023, 11:02 (UTC) — Items processed: 1,788 and in the statistics section : "version, edition, or translation (Q3331189)" : "511", that is 0.285%. https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q3331189&lang=en in section "From related items" lists 19 subclasses, nothing like a company or label among them.
How about DNB catalogue ID? Or if the DNB in the item pages always uses "title" in line two, DNB title ID? Maybe before changing the name, the 388 type violations (388/1788 = 0.217%) should be fixed. Also, it could be helpful to have a SPARQL query showing for each allowed type at least one example WD item that uses it in P31 and has a P1292 claim. Humanisator (talk) 17:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Edition still is unacceptable. What about DNB literature ID for clear distinction from GND being a DNB person ID? Vollbracht (talk) 18:37, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Or DNB content ID (better for non print content)? Vollbracht (talk) 18:45, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"DNB ID", "DNB number", "DNB catalogue ID", DNB record", "DNB record number" or "DNB record ID" all are fine. @Epìdosis GND and DNB are not the same. Even "GND Kennung" and "DNB Kennung" are distinguishable. However we have a lot of better solutions now and as I stated before edition can't be correct by any of its meanings and therefor by no means should appear in the name of the property. Vollbracht (talk) 21:39, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again: For the discussion of this topic, see Wikidata talk:WikiProject Books#renamed property P1292. @Humanisator: It's not helpful to start parallel discussions. The name of this property should not differ from the other books properties and of cause the change of the name should be carried out after the discussion. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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