User talk:Samatics

Welcome!--Samatics (talk) 09:00, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Your recent mass edits

Hello Samuel.

I just noticed that you have proceeded with mass edits of languages entries of Moroccan personalities.

The fact that the Amazigh (Berber) language and Arabic are official within the country does not imply that they are widely spoken among all the inhabitants. One should be aware of linguistic dynamics in order to take them into consideration before such proceeding. Please do revert your edits as they are meaningless.

Thank you, --Reda benkhadra (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore you claimed Turkish to be the mother tongue of Azeri chess players that play for the Turkish Chess Federation now. Azeri is a language, they don't speak Turkish in Azerbaidjan. Please edit more carefully. Thank you, --Gereon K. (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Reda and Gereon for your observations. This will be noted going forward.-- Samatics (talk) 13:57, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Note

Please don't add Egyptian Arabic as a language, It's not at all. Its an accent of the Arabic language, and one of several accents in Egypt. We, as Arabs, don't consider it a language at all, even the Egyptians themselves. Please revert your edits and be careful not to add it in the future. Best--باسم (talk) 15:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you باسم, It's a new learning for me to know this. Your correction is noted. --Samatics (talk) 16:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Spanish

Hello, how you know that the mother tongue of Abdel Hamid Krim (Q94573568), Adrià Salas Viñallonga (Q60825223) or Albert Parareda Franquesa (Q104383975) is Spanish? --Davidpar (talk) 11:06, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Davidpar for your observation. For a person to be born in spain, and a speaker of spanish, it is safe to say he grew up speaking the languge. I am open to correction though.--Samatics (talk) 11:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

There are many people in Catalonia that grew up speaking Catalan with family and friends, and then learned Spanish at school. Also, there are many other cases (like Abdel Hamid Krim (Q94573568), Algerian-origin actor) of people with origins outside Spain. I think languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) is more appropiate for these cases because it's obvious that they speak Spanish --Davidpar (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I agree with you that languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) is more appropriate. Going forward, I will put this into consideration. Samatics (talk) 13:45, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Remember that you should undo the changes about mother tongue. Thanks. --FogueraC (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

 Doing…--FogueraC (talk) 10:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done I have reverted the changes about mother tongue. But I think that we should also revert the ones about language spoken. The assumption that a Spaniard speaks Spanish is only reasonable for recent times. There are other cases where this assumption is clearly wrong and other cases where it is possible, but unlikely. --FogueraC (talk) 11:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Regarding this, you added that Agustin Arrieta Urtizberea (Q57654605) (and may others) main language is Spanish, but is not. The fact that they do know Spanish (that is something you are guessing from their nationality) can be tricky, but saying that someone's main language is Spanish without knowing it with certainty is not good. All this batch should be reverted and check each item carefully. -Theklan (talk) 07:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello! How you know, that french general's native language was Spanish? -- 2A00:1370:8190:3BA4:C4A7:2ED5:7978:7A58 13:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Scientiests and authors

Hi, thank you for adding languages to persons. When doing so, particularly for scientists and authors, you might want to look at their publications. E. g. looking at the "What links here" list of planetologist Elisabetta Pierazzo (Q43469896), you will see she only published in English, so it would be safe to add English (Q1860) as language spoken, which I did ;) (and yes, I know she spoke Italian too, though I cannot supply references for it). Thanks & best regards --Dealerofsalvation (talk) 09:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Dealerofsalvation for your suggestions. You made a valid point about checking publications for scientists and authors to ascertain their languages. It is worth looking into. Thanks and kind regards. --Samatics (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

languages spoken, written or signed (P1412)

In all honesty, I'd prefer if you were a bit more cautious with adding this statement solely based on the citizenship stated in a given item. A good example is this one here. Ladurner-Parthanes was born in what was then Austria-Hungary in an almost exclusively German-speaking area. He became Italian citizen (presumably) in 1921, when he was already 27 years old. He worked as a farmer and published a few articles and books in German. I have no clue, if he ever learned Italian. There are quite a few similar cases... --Mai-Sachme (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I would echo Mai-Sachme's concerns. I see many people on my watchlist whose items are marked as English speakers due to, presumably, citizenship in the US or the UK, but there are many examples throughout history where such citizenship or residency would not necessarily mean that that person spoke English. Gamaliel (talk) 19:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry to pile on, but I also agree that if citizenship is your sole criterion, then this is a very bad idea. You will be inserting countless errors that will take years to identify and unpick. If you have a source that confirms a language, then add it as a reference to each claim. If you are relying solely on citizenship then please stop. From Hill To Shore (talk) 23:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

I have to agree; I've just had to undo one of the edits in this batch to Trinio (Q105078131), an early medieval Welsh saint who is unlikely to have spoken English. Ham II (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Samatics, how can you prove that this Georgian speaks Russian? --Infovarius (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@Infovarius, Though I have stopped these edits but it is easy to see that this Georgian is a Russian citizen and a professional footballer in Russian clubs spanning more than 7 years. To communicate effectively with his teammates, fans and media, he must have spoken or learnt how to speak Russian. -Samatics (talk) 06:45, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, probably this is the argument. But as I know there are many foreign players in Russian teams and there's no necessity to speak Russian for them (probably some information transfered with English). --Infovarius (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Language spoken

Hello! I see you are editing massively on people from Brazil including information on the language spoken. Where does the information come from? I have seen you adding to at least one Brazilian person who was mute that she spoke Portuguese. --Joalpe (talk) 15:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@Samatics, you definitely should stop uploading new statements before you fixed old ones. Moreover, you do not indicate the source of these values. If the heuristic is based on citizenship, then this is how it should be specified. —putnik 15:51, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your observations and comments. Yes, it is mostly based on the country of citizenship where the language of the country is predominantly spoken by majority of the population. However, I understand that the property P1412 can be applied to a mute person as it means language signed too.Samatics (talk) 17:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Block

I've blocked you in order to stop your QuickStatements batches which have been getting complaints from various other users. I will unblock you after you've stopped all of your current QuickStatements batches. However, you need to rethink your approach to this. People clearly have concerns about it and if you keep creating new batches using the same logic, you are likely to continue getting complaints about it. - Nikki (talk) 16:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I got thanks from most users for these edits but if this is causing issues for some users, I have stopped all my Quickstatements batches and stop altogether.. kindly confirm and unblock as I am coordinating an event and this will impact my partcipants engagement. Thanks.-Samatics (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I did unblock you already, by the way - I didn't have time to leave a message afterwards, sorry. - Nikki (talk) 20:50, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Please slow down when assuming languages spoken, written or signed (P1412) based on country citizenship

Languages spoken, written or signed can often be inferred from a person's country of citizenship, but please make sure to proofread your lists before applying mass changes. Gary Fisher (Q928020) is not Brazilian (his country of citizenship was vandalized), and you assumed that he speaks Portuguese even though his name should have been a red flag. —Iketsi (talk) 02:29, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in the interview study with Wikidata editors

Dear Samatics,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King’s College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research that develops a personalized recommendation system to suggest Wikidata items for the editors based on their interests and preferences. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I would love to talk with you to know about your current ways to choose the items you work on in Wikidata and understand the factors that might influence such a decision. Your cooperation will give us valuable insights into building a recommender system that can help improve your editing experience.

Participation is completely voluntary. You have the option to withdraw at any time. Your data will be processed under the terms of UK data protection law (including the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR) and the Data Protection Act 2018). The information and data that you provide will remain confidential; it will only be stored on the password-protected computer of the researchers. We will use the results anonymized to provide insights into the practices of the editors in item selection processes for editing and publish the results of the study to a research venue. If you decide to take part, we will ask you to sign a consent form, and you will be given a copy of this consent form to keep.

If you’re interested in participating and have 15-20 minutes to chat (I promise to keep the time!), please either contact me at kholoudsaa@gmail.com or kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmmFHaiB20nK14wrQJgfrA18PtmdagyeRib3xGtvzkdn3Lgw/viewform?usp=sf_link with your choice of the times that work for you.

I’ll follow up with you to figure out what method is the best way for us to connect.

Please contact me if you have any questions or require more information about this project.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk)

Do these crustaceans speak French?

Hi Samuel, did you accidentally add French as a language to Itunella or am I missing something? -- EpsilonNought (talk) 11:11, 18 November 2021 (UTC)