Wikidata:Property proposal/The Guardian article ID

The Guardian article ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: no label (P6085) (Talk and documentation)

Description	shortened URL for an article in the Guardian
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	[0-9a-z]*
Example 1	Vienna Philharmonic and the Jewish musicians who perished under Hitler (Q56813023) → 3eca4
Example 2	It's not about sex, it's about identity: why furries are unique among fan cultures (Q37810746) → 4gdm8
Example 3	Asian, queer and dancing defiance: 'Everything we do now is resistance' (Q38076974) → 5qfp7
Formatter URL	https://www.theguardian.com/p/$1 (or https://gu.com/p/$1)

Motivation

The Guardian is globally the fifth-most-read online newspaper and one of the UK's newspapers of record. Currently we only have items for a few of its articles, although it is already used as a reference on at least a thousand items and linked to from at least 110,579 English Wikipedia articles at time of writing.

While the identifier functions as a short URL, I would like to emphasize that the Guardian's website is not a spam-filled on-demand short URL generator. Jc86035 (talk) 16:01, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment do you have a source url ? I agree it's not a spam-filled on-demand short URL generator, the domain is the same and the short url is in the code of the final page. — eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 17:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Eru: I don't think there's a page that lists all of the URLs. However, the links are also provided in the HTML source of the home page and the topic pages. Jc86035 (talk) 20:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
is there any other way to access the short URL besides looking in the source code, whats the advantage compared to the full URL? Germartin1 (talk) 13:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Germartin1: The "View all comments" button goes to https://www.theguardian.com/discussion/p/$1 (where $1 is the identifier), although the button is not displayed on all articles and only displays while the comments are loading for most articles. The identifier is useful as (1) an easily validated string and (2) another reliable permanent-ish identifier. If both the short URLs and long URLs work properly, I would think they are equally valid as identifiers. I guess the short URLs would be most useful in the unlikely event that the long URLs stop working but the short URLs continue to redirect correctly. Jc86035 (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
makes sense Support Germartin1 (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per w:en:URL shortening#Shortcomings and meta:Spam blacklist#URL shorteners. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(As previously, most of the concerns don't really apply, particularly since the redirects are from one domain to itself.) Jc86035 (talk) 20:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support definitely should have this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support does not have the problems of other URL shorteners, in fact the reverse since it's another way to access articles if the longer URLs are changed. MartinPoulter (talk) 15:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support like I said the short url is ok with the formatter https://www.theguardian.com/p/$1 . Only minus point : it will be complicated to autofill it with mix'n'match. — eru ^{[Talk] [french wiki]} 21:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]