Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Official Artist Channel ID

YouTube Official Artist Channel ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done

Description	identifier for an Official Artist Channel (has ♪ after name) on YouTube
Represents	Official Artist Channel (Q72112388)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	agent (Q24229398)
Example 1	IU (Q20145) → UC3SyT4_WLHzN7JmHQwKQZww
Example 2	Twice (Q20645861) → UCzgxx_DM2Dcb9Y1spb9mUJA
Example 3	Red Velvet (Q17466114) → UCk9GmdlDTBfgGRb7vXeRMoQ
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
See also	YouTube channel ID (P2397): ID of the YouTube channel of a person or organisation (not to be confused with the name of the channel) The ID can also be used for music.youtube.com IDs Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Topic channel ID (February 2022) Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music (August 2021) Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID (June 2019,  Not done) Wikidata:Property proposal/YouTube Music channel ID 2 (August 2019,  Not done)
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

We do not have a property to separate a normal YouTube channel (Q17558136) and an Official Artist Channel (Q72112388). An Official Artist Channel (Q72112388) is type of YouTube channel that has special features for artists and is distinguished by the note icon next to the channel name. You can learn more about what it is here.

We should have a separate property rather than qualifying YouTube channel ID (P2397) because there are likely thousands of artists that have an Official Artist Channel (Q72112388) that have items on Wikidata so this property is relevant enough for a dedicated property.

Lectrician1 (talk) 01:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Oppose This is similar to having a verified Twitter account, and this should in my opinion better be distinguished through a qualifier since the one making a query may not care about if it is an official channel or not and to get all would be very tricky if it was modeled this way. The number is irrelevant in this case since the difference is not big enough but can for a data reuser seem arbitrary. 06:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ainali (talk • contribs).
  • @Ainali Well if you leave this to people adding qualifiers, people will likely not add them and people who want to query for all the artists and their Official Artist Channels on Wikidata will not be able reliably do so. I would argue that the high number of entries is relevant, and that is why people might want to query for it. A reason why a distinction between an official artist channel and a normal channel is if a person might have both. For example, a YouTube who became an artist and wanted to keep all their artist-related content on one channel. Or, an artist who no longer releases music and is now a YouTuber with a seperate channel for content non-music related. Finally, not all artists are active on YouTube and may not have an Official Artist Account. Somebody might want to query for those artists. Lectrician1 (talk) 15:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  If data is missing, querying is of course impossible. But that could hardly be the reason to add a new property because the people who are not likely to add the qualifier are also not likely to be able to tell the difference between them. By using qualifiers, all types of queries can be done easier than if there are separate properties. Ainali (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Ainali A YouTube artist channel has a sound icon next to the name and I'll even put that that indicator exists in the property description so that users know the difference. It's pretty easy to tell. Also, this property will be a subproperty of YouTube channel ID (P2397) so querying shouldn't be different if you query with regards to subproperties too.

  Then again, these are minor things compared to not having the data at all. You know already: people don't add qualifiers if they don't know they exist for that use and don't want to because it's a pain. Lectrician1 (talk) 20:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  It's easy to blame "people" not adding data, since neither of us can prove it's true or not. So I'll just state that I do think that Wikidata editors add the data if it's so easy to spot. Ainali (talk) 20:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  @Ainali Actually it is easy to prove that people are not adding this data because they're the only ones who actually can at this time 😑. Lectrician1 (talk) 03:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

•  Oppose Can we not detect this by bot and add the relevant qualifiers? Doesn't seem worth a new property. BrokenSegue (talk) 03:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
•  Oppose I dont see the need for a separate id. --Hannes Röst (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
• @Lectrician1, Ainali, BrokenSegue, Hannes Röst:  Not done —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 05:41, 8 April 2022 (UTC)