Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy

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Proposals for new Species Files identifiers

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The Species Files databases on insect orders have been updated to use Taxonworks. I have made identifier proposals for nine of these new or updated databases at User:Jts1882/Property proposal/Identifiers for Species Files databases.

There is also the issue of what to do about five of databases that had identifiers, as the new databases use different taxon IDs so an update of the Formatter URL is not possible. See above link for more information. Jts1882 (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New property proposal

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Wikidata:Property proposal/taxon synonym of Christian Ferrer (talk) 18:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to User:Christian Ferrer for adding this section. Please add your comments to the proposal page. Strobilomyces (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I have added proposals for the related properties Wikidata:Property proposal/protonym of, Wikidata:Property proposal/basionym of and Wikidata:Property proposal/replaced synonym of. Please add comments on these pages too. Also if anybody could include more examples, that would be welcome. Strobilomyces (talk) 17:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also put a note in the Village Pump of Wikispecies. Christian Ferrer (talk) 05:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@succu, Christian Ferrer, Plantdrew, Peter coxhead, Kbseah: Hello. If you are in favour of the four proposed properties, please could you add more examples to them? And any further comments? Strobilomyces (talk) 12:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
✓ Done each proposals has at least 3 exemples. Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
user:ZI Jony has now kindly added the properties taxon synonym of (P12763), replaced synonym of (P12764), protonym of (P12765) and basionym of (P12766). I added a citation-needed constraint to "taxon synonym of", "replaced synonym of" and replaced synonym (for nom. nov.) (P694), so these properties give a warning if there is no reference. taxon synonym (P1420) already has this constraint. I am not sure about the requirement for the other properties and I have not added the citation-needed constraint to them. Strobilomyces (talk) 16:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the project tutorial for the new properties, and I would be interested in any comments. You can find my changes by using a diff. Also I added some of the properties to the table on the project page and deleted the P642 entry. I hope that is OK. Strobilomyces (talk) 20:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, I added a note about "protonym of" and an other note to use "object has role" instead of "instance of (shouldn't be a qualifier) [1], furthermore "object has role" works well with the infobox, as the relevent module have already be modified that way. Christian Ferrer (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Christian Ferrer: I do use Taxoboxes, but I also provide much the same information on the Commons category pages and gallery pages. I am not sure whether for fungi we should change to a system which only uses the Taxoboxes and relies on Wikidata. If you can easily maintain the Taxobox system, that may be a good idea. You only show the new inverse properties, don't you, not the old properties like taxon synonym (P1420)? I did not have much time to spend on it now and I am travelling for about a week from now. Please could you give an example where we can see the new taxobox in action? Strobilomyces (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Strobilomyces: I meant the taxobox here not the one in Commons which is not the same, if you want to try it, copy this this to your common.js, and each time you are in a taxon Wikidata item the taxonbox is displayed at the end of the page with a renders of the references used, I find it quite useful as 1/ it does not hurt the use of wikidata because the box is diqplayed at the end 2/ it's a quite good summary of the infos that are within the item. Christian Ferrer (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, do we also need a proposal for Junior homonym of (eg. Leptodon Gaudry, 1860 (Q126280423) junior homonym of Leptodon (Q545108))? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, how do we best handle reranking/suffix alterations, eg, Ornithoryncina BHL → Ornithorhynchidae (Q21811), Ornithorhynchoidea (Q126163427), or subgenus to genus, Antilope (Tragoceros) BHL → Tragocerus (Q16707169)? original rank/suffix of? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have also often asked myself the question regarding the change of ranks, especially for changes towards specific and subspecific ranks. I would support a kind of property "original name", broad enough to be applied for all codes (botany, zoology, ect..) and all ranks. Regarding homonymy we also can have a property "homonym" where we add a qualifier "object has role" later homonym (Q17276484) or earlier homonym (Q21651662), but also hemihomonym (Q36033662), that way no need for opposite property. Christian Ferrer (talk) 21:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Christian Ferrer I've been using the property different from (P1889) with the kind of homonym as a qualifier, e.g. see https://w.wiki/Ax4e. Perhaps that is already suitable? Kbseah (talk) 23:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kbseah Yes I think, it sound like a good idea. I also use different from (P1889), e.g., but I never thought of using the qualifiers there. Christian Ferrer (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedia of Life sync?

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How is the quality of EOL data these days? We have just over 1M EOL IDs, and I don't see any other properties from them. Are there any bots that sync updates from a list of substantive entries as they're edited on EOL? Sj (talk) 14:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two items for Phasmatodea (Q188029 and Q49381348)

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The item Phasmatodea (Q188029) currently has label "Phasmatodea" and taxon name (P225) "Phasmida" and taxon synonym (P1420) "Phasmatodea". Both names are used for the same taxon (insect order) and both are currently used by different scientists working in these insects. Most of the sitelinks link to this page, some using "Phasmatodea" and others using "Phasmida".

There is also item Phasmatodea (Q49381348) with taxon name (P225) "Phasmatodea". It also has permanent duplicated item (P2959) set to Phasmatodea (Q188029). I haven't seen that property before. Which is considered the duplicate item?

So should there be two items for the two taxon names or one on the taxon. If the former, the label for the first one needs changing to match the taxon name. This seems the usual practice with one consider the synonyn. However, here both are the accepted name for some authorities, but an item shouldn't have two taxon names unless one can be marked deprecated. How should this be handled? Jts1882 (talk) 09:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jts1882 Thanks for posting this, hope that this response isn't coming too late to be useful.
permanent duplicated item (P2959) relates to the use of Wikidata to manage interwiki links among Wikimedia projects. For example, some Wikipedias may have two different articles on the same entity, but for some reason these cannot be merged, e.g. they represent different orthographies used by that language edition.
In this case, the different Wikipedia editions linked to Phasmatodea (Q188029) (the item with the most sitelinks) are either titled "Phasmatodea", "Phasmida", or a vernacular name, whereas Phasmatodea (Q49381348) sitelinks to an article in gawiki, which for some reason has separate articles for "Phasmida" and the vernacular name "Cipíneach".
Perhaps the two articles on gawiki could be merged into the one that is linked to Phasmatodea (Q188029). However this should probably be done by an editor who is actually literate in Irish Gaelic.
The other issue is the discrepancy between the label of Phasmatodea (Q188029) and the value of its taxon name (P225). My understanding is that the label should match the taxon name, and that taxon synonyms should be represented by separate items. Therefore Phasmatodea (Q188029) should be relabeled "Phasmida", and statements and sitelinks relating to "Phasmatodea" should be moved to item Phasmatodea (Q49381348). Once relabeled, the permanent duplicated item (P2959) statement can be removed.
I can see how someone might object to the suggestion above because it may change the intended meaning of Phasmatodea (Q49381348) specifically, if it was originally create to accommodate the duplicate article in gawiki. One should look at the item history, and also check whether there were any previous mergers. Kbseah (talk) 11:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New property proposal for mode of reproduction

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Property should cover all organisms and taxa in principle. In practice, once a mode of reproduction is specified for a taxon in higher rank, there is usually no need to populate the same claim to those of lower ranks below the relevant taxon. See Wikidata:Property proposal/mode of reproduction. Looking forward to feedbacks. Zhenqinli (talk) 02:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Modelling data for type specimen items

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There's a discussion over at Wikiproject:Biodiversity regarding the best way to model Wikidata items for type specimens. Suggestions from this group are welcome! https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Biodiversity# Friesen5000 (talk) 12:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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