Wikidata talk:WikiProject Welcome
Welcome-belated
[edit]I created {{Welcome-belated}}, using {{Welcome-belated/text}}, to be modelled on en:Template:Welcome-belated, but it needs more work to be useable here. Can anyone help, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Twinkle
[edit]It would be good to be able to use Twinkle (or something like it), here, for welcoming people. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
scope?
[edit]Is this intended also to be involved in working on improving some of our Help pages? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- I think it's okay to also use this project for help pages. ChristianKl (✉) 15:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Events in the user journey where we could build processes to engage new users
[edit]While going through Pasleim's list of items with questionable notability I noticed a few examples of items where new users create items without any instance of (P31) or subclass of (P279) statements. It seems to me like it frequently happens in the user journey of a new user that they create an item that lacks instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) and in those instances, it would be good to encourage the user to leave a message. The message could be formulated in a friendly way, explain the user the usefulness of instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) and encourage them to seek help on the project chat in case they need help finding a good value for their item.
If we formulate a standardized message via a template, the template could translate itself into the language of the user. It would be easy for a bot to send the message and we could configure the bot in a way to send the message only once to each user. ChristianKl (✉) 22:55, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Alexmar983, what are your lessons learned
[edit]@Alexmar983: You wrote " I can tell you everything "I know" about strategy, simple tasks and user wikimetrics... but in few weeks. Superbusy now." in the beginning of the year. Do you want to share your knowledge now? ChristianKl (✉) 14:28, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- ChristianKl I wish :D... but I am super super busy here. What could we do? Ping me again during the Christmas holiday. I am so sorry but I do soooo many things i always forget something.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
User wikimetrics
[edit]Let's start with a simple task. Who is able amongst you to make a list of users with at least n edits on a specific wikipedia (for language pinpointing) but red user talk page on wikidata?
For example, let's take a language where we miss more descriptions compare to the other ones, like Portuguese. We could make a welcome campaign of pt-N users, than teach few of them to improve the description.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- To me having such a campaign to users of a specific Wikipedia who haven't exprssed any interest in Wikidata sounds risky. With many Wikipedia's our relationships are quite tense and if we would start manually contacting a lot of people who haven't previously edited Wikidata there might be blowback.
- Doing this in the languages where we have the lowest number of descritions seems the most risky. The Russian community seems at the moment the most welcoming of Wikidata, so it might be a better target than one that's not well integrated with Wikidata. ChristianKl (✉) 14:40, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- ok.... simple task not definitive task. You have later to filter that output with the people who have edit here in the recent past. Also, I did manually contact dozens of it-N and I can tell that it's ok. Commons users are critical because of the structured data, but standard users of content on local wikipedia are fine. But we'll come back later.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:29, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Welcome
@Putnik, Ymblanter: ChristianKl (✉) 14:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- My apologies, but I have broken all contacts with the Russian Wikipedia more than six years ago.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
In any case Russian and Italian wikipedias show above-avarage use of wikidata for sure, so I would be surprised if what works for it-N don't work for ru-N... still many of the users i met in the past knew almost nothing about wikidata. The way a community uses wikidata increases the rate at which users deal with it, not the potential to deal with it. For example, learning how to use a list of items (articles to do) or finding missing images (which was my first task) has nothing to do with how much a local wiki uses wikidata. Adding the description was something I suggest to do because it's just simple and with limited side-effects.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- There are two levels where the effect has to work. It has to work on the individual level and it has to work on the political Wiki level. Raising awareness of Wikidata inside a Wiki in a way that could perceived by some members of the Wiki as spamming is a political risk. It's a smaller risk in a Wiki that's generally already friendly like ruwiki or itwiki than doing a similar thing in enwiki or dewiki. ChristianKl (✉) 01:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- It seems for the Wiki's that use Article Placeholder we have a good list on labels on which users could work : https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:U3195429br494sah ChristianKl (✉) 20:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Changing the main page to be more focused on people than on items.
[edit]I want Wikidata to appear more human and welcoming. Currently our mainpage says:
- Welcome to Wikidata
- the free knowledge base with 39,777,759 data items that anyone can edit."
I would like to change this to something like:
- Welcome to Wikidata
- the community of 18,885 active users who together created a free knowledge base with 39,777,759 data items that anyone can edit."
What do you think about this change in wording? Maybe you even have an idea about how to make the wording sound even more welcoming. ChristianKl (✉) 15:33, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Making the "Create a new item" message friendlier
[edit]I edited MediaWiki:Wikibase-newitem-summary to make the message Special:NewItem more concise and friendly. ChristianKl (✉) 23:23, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Better welcoming process
[edit]Hi y'all
Notified participants of WikiProject Welcome,
Currently the welcoming is suboptimal (to say the least) and most people are never welcomed (if someone can make stats, it would be great ; for instance, how many users with 10+ edits don't have an user page at all?). I started a discussion on Wikidata:Project_chat#Welcoming_bot about a welcoming bot, feel free to comment here or there.
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Stats (e.g. "how many users with 10+ edits don't have an user page at all?") can probably be done through Quarry (https://quarry.wmcloud.org/) in SQL, but my level of SQL is too low for doing it. And thanks for raising the issue in Project Chat. --Epìdosis 12:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- I frequently extend a welcome to people on this platform, although I haven't noticed a significant impact. While my greetings are a little bit human and not overly formal ("cold bot"), they often don't lead to much engagement from these users. I wouldn't overthink that. It might be possible that a blue link makes it easier to be contacted by other users on the long term , those metrics could be interesting.
- In general, the amount of red talk pages seems to lower than in 2017-8. Circa 50% lower. We are already filling the gap manually and cutting the old backlog.--Alexmar983 (talk) 13:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)