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June 2012

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Kindoki

Great start on Kindoki. I've wanted to create it for a while, there's lots of material out there. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 12:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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Astronomy article

I think you're correct. I read in Cosmos that Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth. However, I cannot be 100% sure. Greengreengreenred 23:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Then again, circumference != size, so it's certainly possible that Aristarchus did. I don't well know my ancient Greek scientific history; never mind my previous statement. Greengreengreenred 23:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your help at RfD

I am not good at doing barnstars and stuff, I should give you one, but I edit everything longhand in plaintext (hence so many mistakes!) But I wanted to give you a sincere thank-you for all the help you do at RfD with the Asian languages. It makes a huge difference, and I for one appreciate it.

You can have an old fashioned barnstar:

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Please add it to your barnstars. Si Trew (talk) 22:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm honoured, thank you. Siuenti (talk) 08:49, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

ebola/ call center hotline

this says [1] it says its new here , and I sourced this article [2], ???--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:17, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa, Siuenti The SL government set up the 117 helpline back in June [3]. Marie Stopes (not the government) seem to have set up another helpline in November. The edit in its current form is inaccurate. Robertpedley (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

well then, let me alter it again--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:09, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Best Wishes

		Happy holidays.
		Best wishes for joy and happiness. to Suenti Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:05, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Country house

I Siuenti; i undid your change at Country house, because the link you added in a See also section was already in the article, and See also is really for extra wlinks which have not had a natural spot in an article. Hope you see what i mean. Cheers, Lindsay^Hello 09:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Re: Your !vote at Further proposal for Lohengrin

Siuenti, yes we know. Please say Support or Oppose at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 16#Further proposal for Lohengrin. Prhartcom (talk) 04:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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So, that comment on Wrecking Ball...

What are your opinions about this move discussion? I actually, more or less, agree with your opinion at the RFD discussion, but ... what are your thoughts on the move request? Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, Would you like to improve your English writing while editing Wikipedia? If so, there is a new project that can help you! It is called the [[:en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Cross-language Editing and Learning Exchange|Cross-language Editing and Learning Exchange]]. It lets you find a fluent English speaker to review articles you write for the English Wikipedia. In return, you help your partner write articles for the Korean Wikipedia.

Can you translate this into Korean and post it? If so, you would really help the project! Many thanks, Tdslk (talk) 19:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Small Island Developing States

Hi Siuenti

You reverted my addition of Belize to the category Small Island Developing States, I understand why you did this but confusingly Belize is actually part of the SIDS group, you can find out more information here, I've added it back into the category.

Thanks

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Heads up!

Sub Umbra Floreo means In the Shade we Flourish. (Referring to your comment on Belize). Can't see how they managed to mess this up; the person who wrote it definitely isn't Belizean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeartOfTheOceans (talk • contribs) 18:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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June 2016

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Public Enemies (2009 film). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Please read WP:FilmPlot before doing any more of your redundant plot reverts. Thanks Areaseven (talk) 08:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

So you appear to be inconveniencing readers solely to decrease the work count in that section, correct? Siuenti (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

How is it inconveniencing if there is a Cast section on the film article(s)? - Areaseven (talk) 14:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Ugh, I mean word count, not work count. It's inconvenient because it forces people like me scroll up and down to figure out who is who, assuming they know there is a cast section at all. Siuenti (talk) 15:03, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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I hope nothing bad came out of that, Siuenti, I was on a long Wikibreak so I didn't see it. I would have stook up for you as a long time good faith editor who does nothing that make Wikipedia better. We disagree, sometimes, but always in good faith. I hope the ANI discussion did not tarnish your good name. Si Trew (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

discssion at CSD about FORRED

Hi Siuenti,

There's a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Redirects_from_foreign_languages in which I think you may be interested. Some multilingual regs at RfD were informed of it but I don't think you were. I'd be pleased if you should contribute to that discussion.

Nice to see you back at RfD. I didn't mention you in the litany of multilingual speakers we have at RfD, Hungarian: bocsanat, sorry. Si Trew (talk) 08:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks!

Heya Siuenti! I just wanted to drop in and thank you for your edit/redirection to List of Freedom Riders :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItsPugle (talk • contribs) 01:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome :) Siuenti (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

why FACGO and not FACNOMS?

• why FACGO and not FACNOMS? More logical. Assuming others don't revert it in the first place.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 04:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

  The idea is that instead of having random suffixes you will just be able to add "go" to the existing shortcut to get to the current content. Siuenti (talk) 08:38, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Re: Undelete request Talk:The Lion has Many Ears

Wow, I don't know how I managed to do that! I've restored everything. Graham87 12:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks :) Siuenti (talk) 12:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

question

Are there any other choices that have not been given due consideration? SW3 5DL (talk) 01:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you've got it covered more or less. Siuenti (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I took all those suggestions/choices and I incorporated them into a new RfC that specifically allows for choices, including keeping things as they are. here. I've included your suggestions, and just about every one I could find. I think it covers every possible choice. It also includes two sentence solutions and one sentence solutions. Thanks for the input. I wouldn't have thought to do it, but your comments made me realize this really needs a fair and open set of choices. Otherwise, we'll say mired in the muck. Thanks. SW3 5DL (talk) 02:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Donald Trump

(talking to myself) I won on Donald Trump. The hat was broken, turns out it's really hard to fix because the lead is broken too. Extensive and often circular discussions result. Eventually a lead emerges which isn't broken and the hatnote is fixed. Victory. Now I wonder if there is consensus to stop or people want try to make it even better, so I make a thread. I appear to learn from that thread that there is consensus to stop, so fine. I know I made a lot of people annoyed during this process but WP:COMPETENCE. Siuenti (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Please explain?

What did you mean by this? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:52, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

"Province" was white and "Prefecture" was blue, or vice versa, so I made them the same. Siuenti (talk) 04:25, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Probably makes more sense to make them all blue, then, as unnecessary piping just clutters the source, making it harder to parse when editing. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Positivity

It seems to me that something people are positive about an opinion they hold, while simultaneously not having the first clue what they are talking about. It also seems to me that when that happens it makes it a little bit more difficult to improve the encyclopedia and/or dictionary Siuenti (talk) 11:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Blocked

You had a final warning yesterday for your continued aggressive squabbling with other contributors over the RfC at Talk:Liancourt Rocks. This [4], together with edits here [5] and at [6], tells me that you are still unwilling to drop the stick. I really don't know what got you riled up like this on that page, but it's become quite obvious that your presence in that discussion has long ceased to be useful. To stop you from poisoning the discussion further, I have blocked you for 24 hours. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm trying to improve Wikipedia. I makes it difficult to improve Wikipedia when people make statements which they are "completely positive" of but for which they provide no evidence, even when I ask them nicely to go look. It's the kind of thing which could indeed get someone a little bit riled up. If Nihonjoe doesn't want to look for evidence, I think I'm entitled to try and find some informed third party input. Siuenti (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

While spectactularly failing to find any support whatsoever for a certain person's opinion, I did find something I like. I'm gonna go right ahead and cherry pick it because it's more or less exactly what I was trying to say:

The science of "systematic reviews" that grew from this research is exactly that: a science. It's a series of reproducible methods for searching information, to ensure that your evidence synthesis is as free from bias as your individual experiments. You describe not just what you found, but how you looked, which research databases you used, what search terms you typed, and so on. This apparently obvious manoeuvre has revolutionised the science of medicine.

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Siuenti (talk) 16:04, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Future Perfect at Sunrise: Do you have any opinion as to whether "Any test can be cherry-picked."? Siuenti (talk) 10:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

and how would you interpret Wikipedia:Verifiability as applying to this question? Siuenti (talk) 11:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I am not going to enter into debates with you about whatever red herring it is you are upset about. My message to you is you need to stay away from the discussion there until you are again able to engage in constructive consensus-seeking rather than picking fights for the sake of picking fights. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

You don't think that asking for evidence is a way to engage in constructive consensus-seeking? Siuenti (talk) 14:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Or that asking for third-party opinions might help to reach a consensus? Siuenti (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Let's see how I understand your position. I think if we can find a test that eliminates the problem of cherry-picking it might be worth talking about. Nihonjoe's position is that there can be no such test so it is not worth talking about. When I suggest that Nihonjoe or anyone else might like to find a source which verifies what he says, you say I am picking fights for the sake of picking fights. You don't think I might be engaging reluctantly in this fight because if I can get people to think about my idea, I might be able to help wikipedia by eliminating or at least greatly mitigating the problem of cherry-picking in RfCs like that one. Siuenti (talk) 14:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you think WP:FAITH has any relevance to how you should interpret my behaviour? Siuenti (talk) 14:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Please blank Wikipedia:Argument from authority or I will request deletion. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Never mind; I'm having both deleted. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hmm So Sienti (씨유엔티) 16:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC) is my current sig Sienti (씨유엔티) 16:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Exactly. The signature is missing the "u" in your current user name. Steel1943 (talk) 16:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

That's a mistake, sorry, I thought I fixed it Sienti (씨유엔티) 16:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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Could you point me to an example of what I've been doing wrong? Siuenti (씨유엔티) 00:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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hmm Siuenti (씨유엔티) 03:51, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Uh oh, I think might fail "appears to take editing seriously" Siuenti (씨유엔티) 03:53, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Unrelated image of a Pharaoh HOUND

If I have to, I will systematically reverse every edit you make if that's how you're going to be. I understand you're unhappy with how you've been treated, or you think someone was unfair to you, or you think you should be allowed to have fun. I cannot emphasize enough that Wikipedia does not care about you. What you're doing now is only making the situation worse. Please stop before the community removes you. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:Pics or it didn't happen kthx. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 17:28, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

In other words WP:PUTUPORSHUTUP Siuenti (씨유엔티) 16:42, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

And by the way, I'm watching your subpages, too. I'll nominate those for deletion the moment you move them. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Well ok but if your systematic reversals slack off at any time I might think you aren't paying attention, and try to sneak one in under the radar. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 02:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

This is not a game. I draw no joy from this. I don't think this is funny. I am participating in writing an encyclopedia and sadly that requires reverting unhelpful changes. I would be as happy if I was the only editor on Wikipedia and I could simply build and refine without interference. If you think I am doing this because I have animus against you or that I'm bored or that I think this is enjoyable, think again. I do not welcome you editing here on Wikipedia because you've been nothing but a hassle. Please stop being a hassle and try to be constructive for once. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry it's such a hassle for you to consider the teeniest possibility you might be wrong about certain things. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 02:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I considered trying to sneak this under the radar, but I know you are too vigilant to let that happen. @Chris troutman: Wikipedia:Infallible Siuenti (씨유엔티) 10:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

And btw, I think the reason you don't welcome my editing, is that you think you are infallible, and you don't like it when people try to tell you that you aren't. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 10:52, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Calling Mr Infallible: Wikipedia:Diffs are for Stiffs Siuenti (씨유엔티) 04:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Spoiler alert

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If and when this eventually moves away from an endless series of fallacies I will win Siuenti (씨유엔티) 18:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Just sayin'

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Siuenti (씨유엔티) 18:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Wrong?

My position is that Wikipedia decisions should mostly be based on evidence, policies, precedents and/or logic, rather than things like arguments from the personal authority of Wikipedians, and false statements of fact. Some people appear to disagree, so I guess I might be wrong per Wikipedia:Editors will sometimes be wrong#Are you wrong? Siuenti (씨유엔티) 19:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Another one we see around here a lot is proof by assertion. N I H I L I S T I C (talk) 02:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

No we have proof by WP:RS. Wikipedia is entirely unreliable, whatever idiiots quote in the news. At the bottom of most articles are reliable, secondary sources, WP:RS. If you don't believe Wikipedia (and you shouldn't) then check the RS. It's only two clicks away. Don't trust Sienti, don't trust me, it is there at the bottom of the article. This is Wikipedia, the encyclopaeida that anyone can edit'. Don't trust it. Nobody told you to. On hard sciences and stuff it is quite good, the mental health articles are deranged, but that is the same as when you get in a mental health hospittal. wonder why I keep my patients when I was kept as a patient, but it is one by one, each edit, makes it a tiny bit better.

Actually Wikipedia only has proof by RS in mainspace. WP:V is only explicitly about that space, per User:Siuenti/Straw man. That means in other spaces people can use their pet fallacies as much as they like, and prevent any movement towards the right answer. @SimonTrew: Siuenti (씨유엔티) 02:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Not the ony one who is wrong

I made the great mistake of telling someone who brings things to PNT on a constant basis that translation is hard. I said I know some a bit of Hungarian, myy native language is English, I do all right in French but have not a degree in it, but if you want to give me the mathematics I shall translate that as best I can. I notice a lot of things come up from elinruby with a lot of replies to them by lectonar. I suggested that translation washard and suddenly it went quiet. Well, hahimemashite and all that, but J'Accuse, I was told I couldn't speak French. Seemed to be speaking it well enough tonight. Nobodoy employs me as a professional translator, neither am I one. Quite astounding really, it's hard isn't it. It's not the words, but the idioms and making it all doing the let's reverse that bit of grammar here and instead of saying the pot calling the kettle black we'll say "she was as bad as he was" or whatver, it is hard. Very much underappreciated at WP I think. That is why we dwindle in number each year and I am the only Hungarian speaker left, and I ain't good to translate into it, only out of it. And get abused for being able to do that. Well, what's the point. Better get a glass of vodka (English: water; Hungarian: vis or visz: Frennch: Je ne connais) Si Trew (talk) 00:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

It is why I ask your advice on Japanese, even though I don't think you are a native speaker you said somewhere, but a damned sight better than I am. And better is bether than nothing. That is how we build this encyclopaeidia, isn't it.? Have a great Easter, Hajimemashiet Siuente-san. Si Trew (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Slashes in article names

You asked "For example are Takeshima/Dokdo or Dokdo/Takeshima possibilities? Siuenti (talk) 18:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)"

No they are not.

1. There is a technical problem with forward slashes in article names, which while not longer a show stopper it is a character best avoided. (see WP:NC-SLASH)
2. it was long ago agreed not to use dual names (see WP:STROKE CITY and the article Stroke city).

-- PBS (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, good to know. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 16:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

The Game

No-one in particular should look at "the Game" and its "rules" which are to be found on my User Page. The most you can achieve by not playing by the rules is to prevent Wikipedia getting better. Is that a really good use of your time? or do you perhaps just like to play that way? Siuenti (씨유엔티) 16:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Elephant trap

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Humour

Siuenti (씨유엔티) 02:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

• Got one heheh

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Do not change Wikipedia guidelines without consensus

Do not make substantial changes to Wikipedia guidelines without discussing them first. This behaviour seriously undermines Wikipedia. "Other stuff exists" is a notorious argument that is not accepted in deletion discussions. This is a long-standing consensus on Wikipedia. If you actually read the whole Wikipedia:Other stuff exists essay, not just the summary which you quoted, you can see that this really is a no-no in deletion discussions. Deletion debates should focus on the nominated article, not other, similar articles. There can be special, legitimate exceptions, but that does not mean that this should be prominently encouraged at the top of the guideline as something that is desirable.—J. M. (talk) 19:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I found this:

While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, make a much more credible case.

Siuenti (씨유엔티) 19:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

That still does not mean that this is an actively encouraged practice that should be prominently mentioned at the top of the guideline as something you should generally do. It is only something that might be acceptable in special cases.—J. M. (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Shall we go ask what the folks at WP:OSE think? I'm wondering what those special cases would be Siuenti (씨유엔티) 19:54, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

In the context of this topic, it does not matter too much what the special cases are. The point is that they are exceptions to the rule, not something that should be generally, prominently encouraged in a guideline. There is a very big difference between saying "If you do X, it might perhaps be OK", and "Do X!". You have a very strong tendency towards distorted, demagogic arguments in every discussion, in every edit you make. This is the behaviour people are complaining about. You do not seem to have a sense of proportion, due weight, you do not seem to be able to see "the spirit, not the letters of the law".—J. M. (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Huh is that me? Can you provide a couple of examples of this problem? Siuenti (씨유엔티) 20:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't sound like me to me. But it has been said I may have a painful lack of self-awareness. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 21:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Anastatica, a North African tumbleweed

:@J. M.: Still there? Siuenti (씨유엔티) 07:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Blocked

Siuenti, your behaviour needs to stop. Despite multiple warnings and requests to let it go, you have continued creating yet more spurious essays and useless projectspace redirects, making edits to guidelines not backed by consensus, and so on. And your behaviour surrounding these edits (as in edits like [9][10] has become indistinguishable from trolling.

I am blocking you for a period of two weeks. You can be unblocked at any time if and when you are prepared to let go. And by that, I mean: completely walk away from this whole area of projectspace edits, meta-debate and fiddling with guidelines, for a substantial amount of time. Just go and build articles. (And don't even think of continuing your games by manufacturing yet more meta-debate and project-space fuss about this block, its justifications, the interpretation of the above conditions, and so on. I will block you again immediately if you do that.)

Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Examples of useless projectspace redirects would include?

I think WP:Diffs are for Stiffs is funny and not very different from WP:PleaseBiteTheNewbies

I didn't know those edits to guidelines did not have consensus, some of them did

Siuenti (씨유엔티) 07:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm trying to move Wikipedia in the general direction of evidence-based decision making, not an easy task. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 08:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

How does "got one" (diff) help the encyclopedia? Johnuniq (talk) 08:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm try to get someone to stop hounding me and getting legitimate redirects deleted. I need to show that I am more competent on this issue than the hounder to save time at DRV or wherever. Otherwise it will take a while to get these good redirects back. So I was happy :) Siuenti (씨유엔티) 08:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

How can I get people to address my POV

It seems not matter how many times I ask for evidence, policies, logic, examples or anything people just ignore me. No fair! Maybe if they responded to me once in a while I wouldn't be so bitter and disgruntled, I might even figure out why I'm wrong, you never can tell. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 22:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hmm I don't think I am actually free to participate in the discussion due to circumstances beyond my control. I would kinda like to get a third party opinion from WP:Comedy as to whether it's funny or not. That would be convincing evidence for me that my sense of humor is not a good match with Wikipedia. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 18:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

NOooo!!

Regarding WP:Infallible @Johnuniq: says this:

Delete No useful advice. Linking to this page would just be a way of deflecting disagreement in a discussion (I make an assertion; you disagree; I link to WP:Infallible to imply you are wrong and are merely disagreeing because you think you are infallible—not helpful). Johnuniq (talk) 23:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

That's exactly not what it's for. You make an assertion, I disagree, I ask nicely for evidence, you don't provide any, then I say "come on Johnuniq, you are not infallible, so just in case you are wrong please try to find some evidence for your assertion, and in the meantime don't dismiss the possibility that my assertion might be correct" (spoiler alert: which it invariably is LOL). Siuenti (씨유엔티) 23:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

U Should Know Better

Wikipedia, I think if you knew better, you would do better, in terms of making evidence-based decisions. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 13:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

It probably would my dear friend, but as Eubot and User:Neelix did not make evidence-based decisions, I am trying to mop up their shit. I still have not been told where the ANI discussion on my behaviour is. I pointed fingers there, absolutely, because people were pointing fingers at me, that is what you do in court. I have defended myself four times in court, won once, lost three. ANI is not some kind of what is the word I am looking for, court made up on the day. Si Trew (talk) 08:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Kangaroo court is what I was thinking of. Si Trew (talk) 08:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

And actually User:Siuenti I called on you because I did not know better and you are the expert on matters east asian. Si Trew (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

To do

• If you are reverted, continue to explain yourself +and ask for explanations from the other party+; do not start an edit war.
• Q13. The other editor refuses to discuss. What should I do?

Oh, I thought this was addressed to me. Is it a third party you have a problem with.

Stay calm. Wikpedia is WP:NOTFINISHED. Collect your thoughts, do not go into a battle.

There is WP:3RR, that is when an edit war starts.

Do not edit it back, stay away. Let the other side do it.

Everything on Wikipedia is public. Do not be an idiot like me and use your real name.

To build evidence for your side, check the history of the article, see who is WP:INVOLVED

And, errr.... sign a post. Four tildes like this Si Trew (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Rfd of Okazakikoen- mae Station

@Si Trew: If I wasn't blocked I'd say:

• Delete Okazakikoen- mae Station, any version with - followed by a space is an implausible error. Also delete Okazakikōen- mae Station for the same reason. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 17:25, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry yeah I should have checked the history and moved it to draft or prodded it, but actually you could have AGF'd and done the same. I have the feeling my move to draft is going to be reverted so we will be able to have a nice chat about that. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 08:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I assumed good faith, which is why I merely reminded you to do so next time. As for the move, of course I reverted it. There is no policy based reason for you - or any editor, including admins - to move articles out of article space without consensus (see WP:DRAFTIFY). I'm quite surprised that you did so despite knowing that and that you will be reverted. You should know better than that. There are proper channels to handle such articles but just moving them to Draft-space without discussion is not one of them. Regards SoWhy 09:20, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Gimli Glider

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Ack what is this doing here? I didn't notice it until now, discusss edits to Gimli Glider on that page please, or even in your edit summaries. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 17:08, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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I was hoping to figure out what the rationale was by getting people to explain on the talk page, kinda worked eventually. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 17:24, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Your comments are not welcome on my talk page

Do not post comments on my talk page, especially those that give the appearance of hounding. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Please try to bite fewer newbies then. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 19:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Gliding

The article on Gliding is about the sport of gliding. Its categories include the Category:Air sports but I guess gliding in an airliner isn't a lot of fun. At the top of the article is a link to the disambiguation page Gliding (disambiguation) which contains a link to List of airline flights that required gliding. The article on Gliding flight also contains this link. JMcC (talk) 10:36, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Please talk aboug Gliding on that page's talk page for God's sake. Siuenti (씨유엔티) 12:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

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Octopus

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