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Two versions of article, and unhappy submitter

I have a message on my talk page from an editor who is unhappy. The problem is that he prepared a draft on Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim. While it was waiting to be reviewed, another editor put an article in article space on the same person. Maybe they were both reading the same newspaper. Because there was already an article in article space, I declined the draft, but I tagged the draft to be merged into the article. Am I correct that this was the right way to handle the duplication? What can be said to the editor who didn't become the originator of the article, other than that they can edit and improve the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, from what I can tell, the editor working in draftspace had started working on it 2 days before the article was made in the mainspace and followed AFC. I personally feel that the draft is of much better quality than its counterpart: it took the time to translate Otim's education and career in the Ugandan government into prose as opposed to listing it practically verbatim from the reference.

The major thing that the mainspace editor added that was not in the draft was the controversy; everything else is addressed in the draft. It sounds unorthodox, but I propose the mainspace article be merged into the draft before moving the draft outright to the mainspace.

I get the whole "working on something only to have someone do it before you". It's a bad feeling, and I suspect that's a tiny reason as to why some articles seem like rush jobs. I hope that both of these editors—who've created their accounts within a month of each other and appear to have attended the same university at some point—are able to collaborate with one another and recognise each other's contributions. This just seems like an unfortunate incident of "great minds think alike" taken literally. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

As a reviewer, is there agreement that I did either the right thing or a reasonable thing in tagging the article and the draft to be merged? This is a common situation. If a draft and an article are by the same editor, and the draft is either the same as or a subset of the article, the draft can be redirected to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Occasionally I encounter a case where a page was copied without attribution. In that case a history merge may be needed, and the editor who did the copying should be cautioned. This is not such a case. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you feel that the page in mainspace meets AFC standards? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Tenryuu - Are you asking whether the page in mainspace should be in mainspace, or are you asking if it can be improved? I haven't reviewed it in detail to see whether it needs improvement. It should be in mainspace because the subject satisfies political notability as a member of the Parliament of Uganda. Both editors are to be thanked for working on notable people in an area that is underrepresented due to systemic bias. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I ran into another unhappy editor who faced the same issue. While I sympathize with their hard work, Wikipedia is a collaborative project. It should be a positive that an article they were working on in draftspace made it to the mainspace by someone else. Unless you are getting WP:PAID for the number of articles created, it should be easy enough to merge information into the mainspace article. Bkissin (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Bkissin - Yes. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and that is what I was saying. However, some editors, especially but not limited to new editors, may be trying to get their tickets punched. See Hat Collecting, although that essay is about requesting permissions rather than about counting credits in order to get permissions, or simply in order to brag. There are a few editors at Requests for Adminship, for instance, fortunately not many, who look for specific numbers of achievements such as articles created or Good Articles sponsored, and there are some forms of recognition that are given that provide an unfortunate emphasis on assigning individual credit. In the case of new editors, they may reasonably have ideas about individual credit that they may reasonably learn to move beyond. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

SEparate question

What is the process to improve my article? Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 06:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Is your question about what is in User:Aldrin Orlanes Politico/sandbox? It appears that you had made it into an article in mainspace, after which it was subjected to Speedy deletion as not a valid article. Reasons were given. David notMD (talk) 07:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aldrin Orlanes Politico: The explanation is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Top Island Countries. "Top" is too subjective and implies a value judgement (i.e., which ones are best). Please also note that we have fairly comprehensive coverage of the subject at Lists of islands, which also has links to other articles in the Lists of islands#Other lists of islands section. Before creating a new article, you should always search for existing articles that may cover the subject (and that may need improvement). At Special:Search (or in the search box at the top of any page), if you start typing List of island, you'll get a list of some articles that start with that phrase, and completing the search gives many topical results. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Having looked at the AFD, it doesn't look like a valid G7 to me, but I am not going to advise what sort of beans to eat, or stuff in the dog's ears, or throw out the window. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Apogee Electronics

Apogee Electronics

Apogee ElectronicsiIs a company I know, I own products and I wanted to edit their page - since it seems outdated - e.g. Apogee runs a studio, called Apogee Studio, which I wanted to add to the page. Why is this a copyright problem?

I do not understand why basic information about a company is considered advertising and pops up as an orange exclamation mark.

Please help me to resolve the problem.

Thank you so much in advance for your help! FridaAlpin (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that it is not "their page" but an article about them. You copied information directly from the company website; this is a copyright violation. We must take copyright issues seriously, as violations could put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy. Please see WP:COPYVIO for more information. Wikipedia is not for giving "basic information". Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a subject. 331dot (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Understood.

I have another question: How can I add the information about Apogee Studio? I've been there myself. I've seen it. I've been to a KCRW concert there. And I would like to share this information with the community. Thanks so much for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FridaAlpin (talk • contribs) 10:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin, please remember to sign your messages. Personal knowledge of the subject of an article is neither necessary or really even desirable. Nothing whatsoever that you know, have observed, or have been told about is fodder for edits here. Every single thing you add must be paraphrased from reliable secondary sources. All of it. It isn't always necessary to cite your source, but your source must always be a reliable, published source and in almost all cases, must be secondary. This is not a place to write about what you know, nor is it a tool for the subject of the article to use for communication. It's about them, not for them in any way. We provide a link to an official website for all companies that we have articles about. If someone wants to read about what the company says about themselves, we provide a link for that; we do not however repeat the information from there. Encyclopedias are tertiary. We don't write about the subject of the article; we write about what has already been written about the subject in reliable secondary sources. It's a fine, but very important distinction. John from Idegon (talk) 10:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up for me - so if I understood correctly, then I can quote these two secondary sources: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhochman/2018/09/03/the-180-seat-invite-only-los-angeles-music-venue-thats-attracting-arena-rockers/#3f241b007cf5 https://www.kcrw.com/music/apogeestudio Please let me know, then I will add the information to the Apogee Wiki page. Thanks - I am new to this and really appreciate your input! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FridaAlpin (talk • contribs) 11:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. The refs confirm the Apogee Studio exists, but have no content other than the name that connects them to being about Apogee Electronics, the company. (I'm guessing Apogee equipment, and some unnamed connection.) The studio is identified as being the property of Bob Clearmountain, shows produced by KCRW. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you notice that the article on the Forbes website (stated above) directly links to the page on Apogee Digital's website that features Apogee Studio? That means the studio belongs to Apogee Digital and this fact should be stated on an accurate wiki page - at least from my point of view. By the way - Bob Clearmountain is the husband of Betty Bennett, CEO of Apogee. Can someone please help me add this information on the Apogee Wiki page and remove the copyvio tag? I would really appreciate it.FridaAlpin (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@FridaAlpin: The copyvio tag must not be removed until an administrator has examined and revision deleted all offending material in the page history. On your other question, all material added to Wikipedia articles must be reliably sourced, and so the additions you requested above will not be made unless and until appropriate references can be found to support them without WP:Synthesis. As is I'm having trouble identifying significant coverage in any reliable independent secondary sources for the article. If none can be found it is likely that I or someone else will nominate it for deletion since those are necessary to write neutral and verifiable articles. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Who looks into the copyvio tag? How can I contact an administrator and ask to please look into this? FridaAlpin (talk) 07:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin, a copyvio tag adds the article to a list of articles that will be checked by administrators working in the area. Once a page is tagged for copyvio, there is nothing to do but wait for an admin to check and take appropriate action. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help finding reliable sources

So, I'm writing about this person. I'm a big fan of him. I am writing about him in this draft Draft:Azrael Jorithian Djayaprawira, and I can't find any reliable sources. The links I know that are connected to him is only his YouTube channel, Software development group, and his channel's website. If anyone could help me, that would be highly appreciated. Thank you! ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 (talk) 05:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 and welcome to Teahouse! A Google search using both "Azrael Jorithian Djayaprawira" and "Haelz JD" yielded zero results outside of the Wikipedia draft page and your above question. I am certain that this individual would fail notability tests for inclusion in Wikipedia. As for his company, JD Software, a search revealed no reliable secondary sources, only the company's own page and listings on employment sites. I would suggest finding a different subject to write about. Do you have a personal interest in this person/company? - Brother Bulldog (talk) 05:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Brother Bulldog, Thanks for your help! Well, at least I've tried. I'm just going to write about another subject then. I find this person and his company interesting, because how can a 10 year old do programming? That's just amazing for me. And, it's not actually a company though, it's some kind of club/organization. But anyways, thank you for your help! ThisIsMyWikipediaName111 (talk) 05:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThisIsMyWikipediaName111: I learned BASIC, FORTRAN, APL, and other miscellany like IBM JCL, when I was 12 (maybe 11?) and it was a lot less accessible at the time (pre-PC). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Inserting images

Exact steps to insert photo in an edit. Draft:The Burgess Battery Company Wdeibel (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wdeibel. There are already some images being used in this draft, so are you asking how to add some more. It will depend on what type of image you're looking to add. If the files already exist on Wikimedia Commons (like the ones already being used in the draft), then you can add them as explained in Help:Pictures. If, however, you want to upload new images and then add them to the article, then whether it's OK to do so will depend upon the copyright status of the images as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Uploading images.

One thing you might want to focus on first, however, is finding better sources that help clearly establish the company's Wikipedia notability per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). This page was recently draftified by an administrator named DGG so you might want to ask him about it at Draft talk:The Burgess Battery Company to figure out what needs to be done to address his concerns about the subject's Wikipedia notability (or lack thereof). Adding more images to the draft isn't going to make it Wikipedia notable per WP:ARTN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Marchuly, Wdeibel, the problem isn't notability -- the problem is that too much of the text reads like it was copied from varioussource ,although I can not immediately find them. A general rewriting would be the way to deal with it. DGG ( talk ) 00:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying that DGG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Help for the publication of an article about young athlete Sasha Zhoya

Dear all, My recent submission for the article on Draft:Sasha_Zhoya was declined. Because I am a relatively new user, I would like to get some help of more experienced users to get it published. While the reviewer mentions the notability criteria WP:NATH, this article is relevant to Wikipedia since the athlete meets the criteria "7. Have at any time held a world or continental record (including world junior records, world youth bests, and masters age-group world records) ratified or noted by the relevant official body". In addition, the athlete got quite some media attention in both France and Australia because of his choice of sporting nationality justifying his presence on Wikipedia. However, I acknowledge that I may have lacked of neutrality by writing the article and updated the draft in that sense and so would like a second pair of eyes to check the article before a re-submission. Thanks in advance, Matbla1 (talk) 07:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The article is straight forward it is a component of a larger Federal organisation that autheorises the article. the fact are simple there is all the required component of a legitimate posting of relevance relating to a National Australian organisation. What is the problem. Please publish it. Keirvt (talk) 09:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The declined draft has been revised by the creator and resubmitted. It is now in the pile (not a queue) to be reviewed again, most likely be a different reviewer. A suggestion while waiting - on the Talk page of the reviewer who declined it, ask if a table of personal bests in appropriate, because my own opinion is that it is not. I do not see that type of information in notable decathlon athlete articles. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

(OT) @Keirvt: I think you've posted your comment in the wrong section (this is about an athlete). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Is the “positivity towards contributing” a façade?

My weekend was consumed by editing and practically re-writing this article, hoping that this encyclopaedia would be grateful to my contributions. I checked back on this article the other day, and I was shocked to find that this page had been vandalised, with almost all references and citations removed, and that was only in one paragraph : the only paragraph that had not been changed back, and all of my hours of work removed. This is horrific how Wikipedia reverts all our editing without even telling me why on my talk page/ inbox, and Wikipedia also banned me with no reason listed. This horrific corrupt encyclopaedia needs a 180 turn around, and I expect this article to be changed back to how I left it.

Please can you explain this to me. 94.207.76.173 (talk) 08:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC) 94.207.76.173 (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! It is obvious the article is Scalextric. Would you mind telling us what account you edited it under? Your post at the article's talk page also has a reply, by the way. You could continue conversation there, and reach an understanding as to what's best for the article. If your work makes the article better, rest assured, it will be reinstated. Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Disagreement on the best way to present articles is the life-blood of Wikipedia, and it can be bruising. "Wikipedia" does not reverse edits: individual editors do, and don't always explain clearly why. Please see BRD for how the process works. I am concerned that you say that "Wikipedia also banned me" - under what username? (By the way, I have just reverted an edit made by this IP address on 16 April - which may or may not have been you - and left an explanation on the user talk page. But it doesn't sound as if that is anything to do with what you are complaining about here). --ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I too, am puzzled, because if you are writing about Scalextric, in its View history (where previous edits can be seen and recovered) I see no major additions nor reversions. Did you ckick on Publish changes at the bottom left when you were done with your editing? David notMD (talk) 11:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Scalextric has not been edited for 25 days. If you tried to edit it this month then you didn't save the edit. Click "Publish changes", not "Show preview", and look out for an extra step in some edits, e.g. if you add external links as an unregistered user. An edit is saved if it appears when you click the "View history" tab on the page or click "Contributions" at the top right of any page. The latter only shows the edit if you still have the same IP address or are logged in to the same account. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I am confident that I did submit it, as it was how I left it for a few days. Also, my account was called either egeorge or egeorgelatto, and I attempted to log in to it, although it said my password was incorrect, even it wasn’t.

94.207.76.173 (talk) 07:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no user called egeorge or egeorgelatto. User:EgeorgeLA made an unsourced edit [1] 25 March. It was reverted [2] 27 minutes later. There is no email address stored in the account so you cannot request a new password. If you don't remember it then you have to create a new account or edit without logging in. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

• Further discussion of this puzzle can be found at Talk:Scalextric#Is the “positivity towards contributing” a façade?. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Article on Ghanaian Rapper

Can someone assist in the creation for an article for Ghanaian award-winning rapper named Amerado? 154.160.16.5 (talk) 10:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! Usually, editors work on topics that interest them. The ones interested in Ghana-related topics are likely to be found at WP:WikiProject Ghana. I recommend posting at the talk page there, or finding an editor who's actively editing from among the members listed. If you would like to start one yourself, please read WP:YFA and then you can use the Article Wizard. We'd be happy to help you with specific problems you might encounter along the way. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool, I tagged you in a discussion here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.160.16.5 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your posts by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end, which gets automatically converted to your signature. This helps editors quickly determine who added the message and when, helps archiving bots to know how old a message is, and most importantly, pinging/mentioning editors doesn't work unless you sign the post in the same edit. Since you didn't sign the post at the undeletion request, I did not get notified about your mention, until I read about it here. It was a simple refund request that would have been honoured without hassle in any case, which I can see that it already has. You can take your time with it. As long as you don't let six months go by without making a single edit to it, there is no deadline. Good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with uploading an article on a YouTube personality

My article on User:Bling.a.ding/sandbox is based on a YouTube personality, who is very well-known in his field. He is a travel and lifestyle blogger and video blogger. He has a couple of mentions on secondary websites. Can someone help me out if the content therein is sufficient? Kindly feel free to suggest any kind of changes it may require. Thanks in advance. Bling.a.ding (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Bling.a.ding Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A couple mentions is not sufficient. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources showing how the person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. "YouTubers" rarely meet this definition. The number of followers or views they have is completely irrelevant. They could have 5 million followers and not be notable, or 5 followers and be notable. It depends on the sources. Brief mentions are not acceptable to establish notability. It sounds to me like this person doesn't meet the notability criteria at this time. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, hope you're doing well. Thank you for your feedback. I will look for more significant coverage in that case. Bling.a.ding (talk) 07:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Multiple changes to article with no additional references...

There has been content modified on the article Cyndra MacDowall but User:R03E111 did not add references to support the changes. This User does not have a User page nor do they have a Talk page User talk:R03E111, so it is not possible to communicate with them. What should be done in this situation? Do I just undo the changes? Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LorriBrown. Yes, it is possible to communicate. Simply create their use talk page by leaving a message about your concerns at User talk:R03E111. You don't need permission to do that. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328 True and I did leave a message on the article talk page... but if a user does not have an active page or active talk page what is the odds that they will get the message? I wasn't aware that you could make changes to articles without supporting references. Just to add stuff because you may know or believe it to be true. LorriBrown (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Plus, there are only two edits by this user and they are both on this article to make changes that are not supported by references.LorriBrown (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The edits made by R03E111 were unreferenced, but seem constructive. They replaced unreferenced information by other unreferenced information, and I see no reason to prefer the old version. Wikipedia gives the impression that "R03E111 has no user page and no talk page", which I think is a bit misleading. I would rather say "R03E111 has nothing on their user page or their talk page". Maproom (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

... I've added two tags to the article, and removed an unsourced date. Maproom (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, in regards to them "get[ting] the message", if you leave a message on their talk page and sign it, they will get an alert saying "You have new messages", kind of like how you got this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I think if it's on their talkpage, you don't even have to sign it. But you should, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@LorriBrown: It's best to use the article's talk page to discuss the article anyway, so that the conversation is easily found by others editing the article. If you leave a message on the article talk page regarding a particular user's edits, make sure you ping them (in this case, with {{Ping|R03E111}}) or mention them (with {{U|R03E111}}). They will receive a notification with a link, just like you did for this message. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:20, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1 Thank you for your input. I did leave a message for User:R03E111 on the article talk page; however, since it appeared to be a new user with only two edits, both on this article I wondered if I would get a response, which I have not to date. This then made me wonder if it was the subject of the article or someone associated with the subject. Since I have COI myself I am only to familiar with the knowledge that you should not directly make changes to an article that you are directly associated with. I think this may have gotten lost in my initial inquiry about these changes being made with no new references.... Thank you, LorriBrown (talk) 22:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Resolved

 – IP user temporarily blocked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

An IP messaged User:GSS telling him this, It’s probably some sort of personal attack by a user trying to get him in trouble. Might wanna do some sockpuppet investigations, just letting you know. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 20:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC) User:103.89.253.248, that’s the IP. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 20:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: FYI, WP:AIV is for urgent admin issues, WP:SPI for sock investigations, and WP:AN or WP:ANI for other admin issues. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

​ I thought of taking this issue to WP:SPI but I don’t have the evidence needed to start an investigation. I probably should have told this to an admin instead of sharing it here. Rodrigo Valequez^(🗣) 18:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Vijayanagara

Hello there,

Could someone versed in Indian history please check the recent changes to Vijayanagara ? I am no expert but the claim that ce medieval city was larger than Austria is suspect to me. Apologies if this is not the right place. GrandEscogriffe (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I changed it, according to the book they cited on page 2 it states that the empire was bigger than Austria, not the city. Zoozaz1 (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Comment: yes, it was the Vijayanagara Empire, not the city, that was larger than Austria. And in that source, dated 1900, "Austria" would have meant the Austro-Hungarian Empire.   Maproom (talk) 07:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Scott Disick draft page

Hello, A few weeks ago I asked for the page Draft:Scott Disick to be unSALTed. It is my first time working with a SALTed article. The main page has been nominated for deletion four times in the past, but I believe the article is now ready for creation, since Disick's fame has increased. I received feedback that the articles I used were only passing mentions of Disick. This simply is not true. I cited more than 100 sources in this article, and while some of them do contain passing mentions, many do not. For example, Chicago Tribune, E! News, Architectural Digest, People, and this one HuffPost, among others. Additionally, notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP, and the most recent community consensus was to allow new draft, and you can find at least two other editors (alongside myself) who have commented on the main page talk page requesting that an article be made for this subject. Additionally, on Talk:Kourtney Kardashian there are several discussions in which people have suggested he receive his own article. I believe he meets WP:ENT parts one and two. He has been a main cast member in more than 140 episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, has his own show on E!Network (new since last discussion of his notability), and has guest starred on a number of other shows. In reference to point two of WP:ENT, he has a large fan base (23.5 million Instagram followers; 6.8 million Twitter followers - more than Adam Sandler, Gwen Stefani, the White House, etc.). Finally, the current redirect does not make sense, because he is no longer dating Kourtney Kardashian. He also meets WP:GNG, because he has significant coverage (which a quick Google search will show). I don't know how to improve the draft, and I think the editor simply did not approve it due to the past nominations. How can I go about getting this draft approved? Mukedits (talk) 22:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Mukedits: I have no view on whether he is notable. But if you want to get that draft accepted, you will need to cite several (four should be enough) good sources that help to establish his notability. Then you will want a reviewer to be able to find them. No reviewer will want to wade through that huge pile of garbage looking for the good references you may have hidden in there. Sources are judged on quality, not quantity. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Mukilteoedits - if you contact your reviewer (their name is at the bottom of the red box), and give the relevant sources you think most prove the point, that could be beneficial. While passing mentions can be helpful to support initial facts, try to support as many as possible with your best sources. Then only use as necessary, don't include for sake of demonstrating lots of mentions. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try contacting him again, although he didn't respond to my first request. I didn't include the tons of articles as "garbage" or to show quantity, rather, while there are good references, some of the articles with "passing mentions" reveal details about the person not outlined in other articles. I'll reach out to the reviewer again, thanks. If my reviewer does not respond again or if he disagrees, is there another process I can try? Mukedits (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Grammatical formatting and abbreviation of U.S. state names

"Subject/headline: Grammatical formatting and abbreviation of U.S. state names"

I have two questions. I am writing an entry on an artist that includes a list of selected exhibitions with the exhibition titles, locations, etc. I am wondering how to format each item in the list. (Should I use periods or commas, and where should I use them?) I can't find an answer to this question in the style manual. Here is a sample item:

2009: “Faces.” Tempe Center for the Arts, Tempe, Arizona.

My other question for the whole piece is: Does Wikipedia use abbreviations for state names when they are being used with cities? Should I use Tempe, Arizona, Ariz. or AZ?

Thanks!

Dactyl123 (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dactyl123 Does WP:USPLACE answer your question? I have removed two close-curly-brackets from before your signature above: they weren't causing any problems at the moment, but they could potentially do so. --ColinFine (talk) 08:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I think this part of the MOS can also be helpful – it basically says that state names should not be abbreviated. Regarding your first question, I'm not sure there is a guideline for that, and the important thing is to be consistent within the article (but someone else might know this better than I do). I've looked at some of Wikipedia's featured articles about artists, but none of the ones I looked at had a list of exhibitions so that didn't really help. Otherwise, looking at featured articles can often be helpful, since those are articles that have been judged by the community to be some of the best articles in Wikipedia. This featured article, a biography of Bronwyn Oliver, discusses her notable exhibitions in running text rather than in list format. Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment might be able to help you further. --bonadea contributions talk 09:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Create first page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Muslim Disability Awareness

Would you please be able to create a page for me as it has come up as draft. I have Legitimate source for the creation. I also need help to upload logo were I have permission. Link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Muslim_Disability_Awareness&create=Create+new+article+draft# Irishroyals (talk) 00:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Irishroyals, if you have references for the subject please cite them; if you need help with citing please consult referencing for beginners. If the image is okay to be released for public use, you can follow the procedures over at WP:CONSENT. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Irishroyals, and welcome to the Teahouse. However worthy its subject, a Wikipedia article is still constrained by Wikipedia's policies on notability and neutrality. You need to find places where people who have no connection with MDA have written at length about it, and been published in reliable places; and then base the article on that. Besides the links I have already given, please read your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about image policy

Can a wiki article have an image that is a snapshot from vid posted on a facebook page? The logo of the organisation whose facebook page it's taken from is clearly visible, but the contributor has listed the image as 'own work'... Tetrahedron17 (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tetrahedron17. This screenshot is a Commons' file which technically means that it needs to be resolved on Commons. Images, etc. found on Facebook can sometimes be uploaded to Commons, but usually only when its clear they've been released under a license that Commons accepts per c:COM:L or when it's original content uploaded to Facebook by its copyright holder who then uploads the content to Commons. The copyright holder of the video is Hyderabad Literary Festival and if that organization wants to release the video (or a screenshot from it) under a free license that Commons accepts (by uploading the screenshot to Commons), then it can; on the other hand, someone else, even if they appear in the screenshot, shouldn't really do such a thing unless they can show they have the WP:CONSENT to do so per c:COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. My guess is that this is just a case of someone trying to add some content about herself to Wikipedia in good faith who mistakenly assumed that appearing in videos or photos somehow gives her copyright ownership (at least partially perhaps) over such things. Some of the other Commons uploads of this user also suggest something similar. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly Thanks. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 12:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Modify Title to Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated

On April 11, 2020, my submission to add an Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated page was declined. I fully respect and accept the reasoning for the declination and accepted the suggestion to merge my submission into the page entitled 'List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters,' which I've done. How do you change the title from 'List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters' to 'Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated'? Skegee (talk) 03:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Skegee. I think what RoySmith was suggesting in the comment he left when he declined your submission of Draft:Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated was not to simply copy and paste everything in the draft into List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters, but rather only some primary content about the organization into the introductory section of the list article. What you've done (almost certainly unintentionally) is to essentially try and skip the AfC process and "create" an article about "Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated" within an already existing article. This type of usurptation, even unintentional, is not really a good idea because it may end up simply leading to your version of the article being discussed at WP:AFD. A stand-alone list article is pretty much as its name suggests intended to not really be anything more than a list with some basic introductory content about the list as a whole or about its individual entries. You seem to be trying to do something entirely different. Perhaps RoySmith or others might see things differently, but I think this is something which should be sorted before any change in the name of the article. As for a title change, it's bascially a page move which is not too hard to do; however, I have a sense that such a move might be a bit controversial since you attempting to do much more than just change the name of the article. In such cases, it's probably better to follow the advice given in WP:RM#CM. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Skegee, Howdy hello and welcome to the Teahouse! For starters, if you are associated with with that group, that is a conflict of interest, which you need to disclose by following the steps at WP:COI. Also you misunderstood the draft reviewer, in merging the content, they meant merging a very small amount of notable content. The content will need cutting down, as you have added a lot of facts that already exist in an encyclopedic format at the article about the Tuskegee airmen. The wording you have used is not in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia, and is in a promotional "FAQ" style that would feature better on a website about the organization than here. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

One other thing, Skegee. We generally do not use terms like "inc." or "Ltd" in article titles. We don't always use the formal name of a company as the article title. Instead, we use WP:COMMONNAME. Not using "Inc" is specified in our WP:MOS, but I don't remember where. Sorry, as it's a huge document. John from Idegon (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Skegee, as noted below, yes, I think you misunderstood my comments. When reviewing, we tend to slip into jargon; my apologies if that led to my meaning being obscured.

When we say "merge X into Y", without qualification, that means a wholesale combination of the two articles. "Selective merge" means to pick an choose the best material. What I actually wrote was, "very selective merge", which implies that only a small fraction of the material should be used.

I see that this has been further complicated by List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters being nominated for deletion. I don't think this was due in any way to your actions, other than incidentally in that it brought it to people's attention. Sometimes that happens. My suggestion at this point would be to undo the merge, and wait for the AfD to run to conclusion before doing anything else. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: I think, in this case, the "Inc" suffix would be necessary to distinguish the organization from the original Tuskegee Airmen fighter group. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

AlanM1, I don't think that's the best way to DAB that...Tuskegee Airman (organization) would be better. But, that's a topic for the talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 20:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

if Template:L is used. do we need to add categories

do we have to still add categories : living, dead, YYYY deaths, Year of death missing, etc..does adding template automatically adds relevant categories or do we have to add manually ? Leela52452 (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Leela52452, did you read the page you have linked? It has all the info on how to use it and what it does. You can use your sandbox to test it out if anything confuses you, but since it's a template that's substituted, you can see exactly what it gives by just hitting "review your changes" before publishing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to link Source/reference

Everytime from where we get the reference links to add. I tried editing anakapalle page in that i tried adding some of the well know temples but i could add only 1 to list with refernce other temples did not accepted as there is no exisitance of those temple pages in wikipedia. What to do to in such scenarios.

And in economy section i tried adding the major accupation of the people live in anakaplle .I dint find any refernce links to add to the content what to do when there are no refernce links. 49.206.201.101 (talk) 08:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I think the answer is that sources do not have to be online (and therefore linkable): they just have to have been reliably published, so that a reader can in principle get hold of them (eg through a major library). For most references, the link is not the important part: it is just a convenience for the reader. The important part is bibliographic information such as the publisher, author, title, date, title of work/collection: things that a) will make it possible to find the source even if it is no longer available on line, and b) gives the person reading the article a hint of what kind of source it is and how likely it is to be useful. See citing sources for more, and if you have sources in a published book Template:Cite book. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

What is a source on Wikipedia?

What is a source on Wikipedia? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 08:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello ChOOSE PlAY HuNT! See WP:Verifiability. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How do I become a Wikipedia admimistrator?

How do I become a Wikipedia administrator? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 09:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming_an_administrator. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

ChOOSE PlAY HuNT Hello. You build up an extensive edit history showing that you have a good understanding of Wikipedia policies, and have a need for the tools administrators have. There is then a community discussion process to determine if the community believes you merit being given administrator rights. Keep in mind that administrators (like me) have no special status; they are just like any other editor, only they possess certain tools that would be irresponsible for everyone to have. If I were you I wouldn't worry about becoming an administrator, just concentrate on the contributions you wish to make to this project. You may find it helpful to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Advert

I've been advised that my article Draft:Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, The University of Manchester reads like an advert. Could I get some advice on how I can make it more like an encyclopedia article? Thanks :) Sworrubt (talk) 09:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sworrubt You have asked this elsewhere, please only use one method of seeking assistance to avoid duplication. Thanks.331dot (talk) 09:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sworrubt, you've gotten it already. The topic you've chosen will never be an encyclopedia article. Choose another subject. Generally, and with the exception of law schools and medical schools, we do not have articles on the various schools of a university. We could give you some general tips on how to write more neutrally, but there is no point with this draft. It's not a subject that will likely ever qualify for an article. If you can locate reliable secondary sources, you may be able to incorporate some of it into the existing article on the university, but your draft isn't going anywhere. Sorry. John from Idegon (talk) 10:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Why can I not delete or move Main Page?

Why can I not delete or move Main Page? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 09:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse ChOOSE PlAY HuNT Why would you want to do this? Theroadislong (talk) 10:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

... and what is your connection with recently blocked User:CPHL, whose user page you were trying to edit? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with serial reverters

Hello, I'm unsure if this is the right place to ask, but -- I did some cleanup work in an article about a small Indian village that had some pretty major issues about POV, excess, unreferenced info, coloured language etc. I checked the edit history and found that other users had done similar cleanup a few years back, several times, but had their edits reverted (well, not exactly 'reverted' but the content they removed written back in, in steps), every time by the same user who's also the major contributor to the article, without stating any reason. Is there a way for me to report them, or prevent them from doing the same thing again? Tetrahedron17 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tetrahedron17: - so the first step would be to see if they revert the most recent edits - if they're not currently causing problems, then there isn't anything further to be done. Next step would be to discuss it with them - the talk page has a couple of discussions but they're nearly 10 years old, so not great for figuring out anything. Depending on what they do there, assuming you can't just agree on something, there's different steps - might be best to ask again at that point. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Nosebagbear Thanks.. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tetrahedron17, this is a good place to ask. I note that User:Wasifwasif has made three edits this year, so they are not very active at the moment. Should the problems start again, start with trying to have a discussion at Talk:Erwadi, which hasn't been used since 2012. Nothing stops you from making a post describing your latest edits there now, that could help. If that doesn't work, next step on WP:DR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I note also that the article is in a pretty awful shape. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I know. I've had to delete tons of content on it and rearrange everything for it to even begin to make sense. I have doubts on the very existence of the one source for the History section, in fact I can't find any sources about the town's history on the web and so have no way of checking or adding anything, and I don't even know where to begin with the Gallery. Articles about the Indian-Subcontinent places, culture, etc. like this one are often a mess and this is frankly, very, very sad. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

SVG file not rendering

I uploaded a svg file to wikimedia commons, but after I finished filling out all the information and actually uploaded the file, it came out as essentially blank.

This is the file: A7i7y-50gyb.svg

The following link shows the original image.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A7i7y-50gyb.svg

Where did I go wrong? Chrisc5234 (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

That's odd. If I look at the file's page on Commons, I see a rectangle of transparence. But when I then click on the "original file" link, I see an image including the words "PHOTO START". I've come across this kind of thing before. The process at Commons that converts the svg files there to png files for use in WIkipedia projects is not perfect. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

On examining the SVG file that you uploaded, I see it's just an SVG wrapper around a PNG file. I suggest that you try uploading the original PNG file without the wrapper. Maproom (talk) 08:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Murad Gulubayli

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Arif.ayyubov (talk)

Hello, I have created the page namely draft: Murad Gulubayli. But the draft was deleted giving an argument as if the page was like advertisement. However, the article namely Leyla Aliyeva (presenter) is the similar with my draft. I wonder what is a difference between these pages and why my draft was deleted inspite of similarity with other pages.

I look forward to hearing from you. Arif.ayyubov (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Arif! I think the problem is in the beginning - "outstanding" and "distinguished". Remove this words, clean up the additional spaces in your article and crop the picture used in the article. Good luck :)Sardouri ⚒ ^(talk) 14:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Time Expected to receive reviewer feedback after submitting my 2 articles

Dear Users, Hope all is well, Kindly note that i have submitted 2 draft articles last Friday for review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beirut_Yacht_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lebanese_Yacht_Club can you please advise what is the time expected so that i can receive the reviewer feedback for the articles? Wish you all a pleasant week. Princesse Marissa (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa Princesse Marissa (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You haven't actually submitted them for review. You added the string {{tls|submit}} which displays on your drafts as {{subst:submit}} giving links to Help:Substitution and to Template:Submit, but you should have actually added the string {{subst:submit}} itself. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear David Biddulph

Thank you, i will act accordingly. Once Submit them, what is the time expected to receive the feedback? Yours. Princesse Marissa (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

:It ranges from 1 to 2 days, if the article is small, but longer, if it is big. At least that's what I got in my experience. Also, greetings to Lebanon from Armenia :)

Kindly,Sardouri ^(talk) 14:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

:Dear Sardouri, Thank you, we and the Armenian are one :) have a great day!

Princesse Marissa (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Once you have submitted, @Princesse Marissa:, you will see a yellow box on the draft page saying "Review waiting [...] This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order." Some drafts are reviewed very quickly, in particular if they are clearly not ready to become articles. But there is no way to predict how long it may take. --bonadea contributions talk 14:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear bonadea, Thank you for your useful information which is well noted.

Kind Regards, Princesse Marissa (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Lads, how do you add a link to other language pages for your wikipedia user page on the sidebar?

I've seen this on several other profiled, but I am not sure how this is done. Any help? Thanks in advance :) Sardouri (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sardouri, add it like [[language code:User talk:Sardouri]]. The details, including the prefixes to use, are at Help:Interwiki linking. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 14:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble thank you very much! Sardouri ^(talk) 15:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

New article

I need help

Okay so how do I start a page for people to read? PugzRulez4lyfe 16:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puglover4lyfe (talk • contribs) 2020-04-20T17:01:35 (UTC)

Hello, Puglover4lyfe, and welcome to the Teahouse. A guide to the very difficult task of creating a new Wikipedia article is at your first article. I strongly advise you to get some experience improving some of our six million existing articles before you try it, and learning how Wikipedia works, and what is required. You might also like to look at Tutorial. --ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Remeber to 'sign' your comments here and on Talk pages by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Conflict with another editor

Hi. I am new to wikipedia and just created my account yesterday. What do I do if another editor keeps reverting my edits. Thanks!

JohnGhan11 (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)JohnGhan11 JohnGhan11 (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

JohnGhan11, I'm going to assume this has to do with Mark Kelly, in which case, you've been told why you've been reverted, and you should discuss this on the article's talk page. Failing that, you should take it to WP:DRN. The issue the other user seems to have appears to be you adding WP:PUFFERY which is unnecessary content to the article, as well as adding unsourced claims such as that in this diff. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

New accounts have only "edit source" and not "edit"

Greetings! I'm a college instructor working with some students to learn about editing the encyclopedia. Our first assignment after creating accounts is for the students to post a short bio to their userpage. Many of my students (not all?) seem only to have the "edit source" option, and no "edit". Is there a reason for this? I've been encouraging them to use "edit" because most have limited experience online. Here's one of their userpages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ENGL101S0502 Thank you, Stevenarntson (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stevenarntson, thanks for getting students interested in working on this project. Have they checked their preferences? Assuming you're using the default skin, it'll be in the top-right corner of the page. Most likely the Visual Editor has been disabled, which can be fixed by going to Editing → Temporarily disable Visual Editor while it is in beta (make sure it's not ). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stevenarntson, not sure what the default value is, but have you checked if Preferences, Editing, Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta is unchecked. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for these ideas Tenryuu and Alex Noble. I've given the students a workaround by having them click the pencil icon to switch editors, which seems to be working. I don't have access to their accounts, so can't immediately verify preferences (and due to the pandemic, I am unexpectedly not seeing students face-to-face this quarter). The level of digital literacy in this class is pretty low, though. Saying "just go over to preferences, to edit, scroll to 'temporarily disable &c &c while Beta . . .' would cause confusion in some cases. Assuming for the moment that some of the accounts do have this preference selected by default, I wonder where I might go to make the suggestion that, in the future, this default be changed? Thank you! --Stevenarntson (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stevenarntson, it's very unlikely this would be changed as the visual editor is still heavily limited; for example it only works in certain spaces like the main articlespace and not on others like talk pages. I usually leave myself the option of editing in source (for most articles) and visually (for tables). You can find more information on the visual editor at WP:VISUAL. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Stevenarntson: I'm afraid one user cannot view the 'Preference settings' of another user, so you'd not be able to check what they've set. However, might I suggest you simply email this one link which will work for each one of them so that they can change their own editing preferences, once they're signed in: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing) Simply get them to look for the "Editing mode" option and select "Always give me the visual editor if possible". They then simply need to click the blue button to Save the changes. From then on they should usually see only the "Edit" tab which our Visual Editor uses. If the hyperlink looks scary, you could even give them this shortcut to the same page: https://w.wiki/NZo Does this help at all? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Weight of scientific opinion over lore

When a statement such as "this has never happened" or "nobody has observed it at any time" is given without proof, it stands in the article because a influential person holds that viewpoint (such as Einstein). This is being called "good bias" by Jimmy Wales and the Wikipedia moderators. How can somebody know that nobody else has ever had a particular experience? If it is possible, it should be cited and expounded scientifically just as any other statement is on this platform. Nonki72 (talk) 16:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nonki72. Given that Wikipedia doesn't publish original research, all the statement needs is the citation of a reliable published source.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nonki72: If qi were real energy, it would be measured in Joules, kilo-calories and kilowatt-hours. Till now nobody has published anything at arXiv about such measurement. Virtually everything one learns in organic chemistry is built upon the non-existence of "vital energy" and "vital force". Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Sources for articles about food

Right, so I've been trying to fix the Bengali cuisine article for a little over a year now, and one persistent issue I keep running into is that I don't know what to cite. Obviously, if New Yorker magazine (or something like that) had a segment discussing Bengali restaurants, that might be useful, but no such thing exists from what I see. Books are also an issue because Google Books obviously doesn't give you the whole book. There's a lot of interesting information that I know is true as a Bengali, but that I can't back up. I don't want to delete some of this stuff, but the only other means of supporting these statements is to cite blog posts or some sketchy recipe site. Then there's also the issue of the list of food, but I'm assuming the solution there is just to create a table. I'd appreciate any guidance because (vainly speaking) this article is one of the only ties I have to my ancestral culture, and I really want to improve it for that reason. puggo (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Bug2266, you say you are in New York? That doesn't sound like a place that wouldn't have libraries that try to house everything ever published; obviously not right now, but you should be able to read in their entirity, books you find in google books, at the nearest branches of that third biggest library in the world. There are also WP:WikiProject India and Wikipedia Resource Exchange where you can ask editors to help you out. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, I understand the sentiment, but I don't really have the means to travel whenever I so choose. Considering the current state of the world, it's more than me just being underage without a license. I will definitely make attempts to visit libraries after the pandemic is over, however; and I will consult WP:IND. I appreciate the advice. puggo (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Will the people of Florida contract the Corona Virus by taking walks on the beach and or swimming in the ocean?

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Hello, My name is Chef Terri Rogers. I own a plant-based food company in the USA, my brainchild is NOoodle, a healthy alternative to pasta derived from a yam plant and 97% water. I would like to ask my question to NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON. I am a student of his in his masterclass, he has been a great mentor to me in the short time he has been in my life. I live in NYC, the epicenter of LOVE. I have been writing me a new book, second, called " March Fouth in LOVE. I happen to be born on 3/4/1969 and my birthday spells out, March fourth in Love, which is suiting for this time in our lives. I have decided through seeing the weak, the poor and the homeless to turn my food manufacturing from 100% profit for myself and family to 100% profit for the people. My question today is because I have a mother, a father, a stepmom, a stepdad, a brother, a half brother, a sister in law and dear friend for over 30 years, another sister in law and two nieces and two nephews that I love dearly living in different parts of the state of 'Florida'. I have come to name it Florida because everything I know about the corruption that exists in every branch of government including that awful law, "The Baker Act", which drugs people against there will for 72 hours. What makes that law so much worse for me, someone who has always been in integrity with our tax laws, is that the only people who are NOT paying to create druggies of Floridas citizens are the people who live in the state of Florida. I have tried to tell my loved ones to leave the state. They are fortunate to have had the ability to work hard over time and now they can just get in their cars and drive to their other homes in Colorado and North Carolina. Instead they are saying that I am crazy and what I believe to be true, which is the second wave of Corona Virus to hit Florida over the next month, will be true. My parents are elderly and we have not seen eye to eye since the beginning of March, with the start of the corona virus. If only I could/we can have some more evidence in regards to this. I am chef who was a meat eater and now I am a veggie and fruit eater. I guess it really is true, Donald Trump has led us to a state of Fear. I am fearful today to eat. It seems as everything poses a threat of Corona. Neil... What is science really saying? I am listening, please speak into my listening. I believe that I am only one of the millions and millions of people around the world who are listening and what to know what you believe to be true in regards to the 'Scientific Point of View'. Thank you in advance for acknowledging my request of you. I would love it if you would come to Shephards Fountain in Central Park. We are there every day the sun is shining or at least it is not raining. Great artists sing and we spread out and do yoga, protocol fitness. I sing and dance on my head and show others how to dance and sing on there heads if that is what will bring them some joy during this interesting time in the world. I would love love love to meet you one day in Central Park. I believe I am a great public speaker. I was on stage in NYC as a girl and went to the University of Arizona and got my masters in human communication and did a lot of work debating and public speaking. I totally agree with the idea of coming to interviews ready with 10 times the knowledge than you think you may need to win. I have learned the hard way through my career that TRUE luck is when preparation meets opportunity, we must be ready when we are asked to be ready. As a 'Mother of Dragons & breaker of Chains, " Today I believe it is my duty to run for president of the USA. I will do my best to see that I am on the Reformed Party Ticket, after all, it is in Islip, NY... I grew up part-time in the summers in Fire-island. Anything to get this loser and the other old man out of the highest most powerful seat in all the land. I see an amazing and bright new future ahead. A future that is led with, by and from LOVE. Not fear, like the crap we are living with now. Real LOVE. The kind of love that comes from motherhood. I believe the day is coming soon that the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. March Fourth in Love today... It is Monday a great day to do one of your hobbies that you have thought about, today just do it. Hobbies are fun and most of them don't really cost a thing except for our time and GOD knows, she-he-yall-we know, we have lots and lots of time today. Time... the biggest and greatest commodity that exists. Chef Terri Rogers

Chef Terri Rogers (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Chef Terri Rogers: This is the wikipedia help forum, not a place to ask questions for Neil Tyson, and we can't give medical advice. RudolfRed (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

would that be considered vandal?

Hallo, I am trying to improve bios of gay porn actors and it is a huge amount of work. most of those bios were created when notability policy here was very different and 95% of them now don't seem to fulfill any notability guideline on wikipedia. I am considering proposing for deletion most of the bios here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_actors_in_gay_pornographic_films as the sourcing is very bad and most of them don't seems to be notabile. I have learned that from the process some bios, those which are worthy it, come out improved so it could be a good idea but I wonder if that would be considered a vandal use of wikipedia. please note that I have put a template E on many of them but what is the point if that nobody cares for bios of not notable people?what do you think? thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello AlejandroLeloirRey, and welcome to the Teahouse. As long as you are working to improve Wikipedia, it is not vandalism. As you say, we have huge numbers of articles which would not be accepted if they were submitted now: some of them can be saved, because the sources exist; many of them are unredeemable, and should be deleted. As long as you are diligent with BEFORE, nobody should object to your taking them to WP:AFD. I have nominated few article for deletion, because I often don't have the patience to do the due diligence: I usually content myself with tagging them with {{refimprove}} or {{notability}}: I'm delighted if somebody is willing to spend the time clearing out some of the crud. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine at the moment I am trimming the bios, especially the celebrative parts, I am verifying the sources and when not online I search on wayback machine. I am only doing it with living people as I don't know how I would feel about deleting the memory of a dead person (most of them died so young). Morover, I am adding the templates: better source needed, citation needed, notability and refimprove but I know that as long as we do not put the through the test of AFD they will not be improved and remain there for years, some of them are very bad. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Anime

Ibbatson (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

What? puggo (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you have question to ask? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ibbatson. If you are looking for a place to discuss Anime, I must tell you that Wikipedia is not the right place to discuss anime. We write and discuss encyclopedia articles here. Please consider using social media or online discussion forums if you want to talk about anime. See WP:NOT--Quisqualis (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

​On the other hand, if you are asking about a place to contribute to anime and manga articles, we have a WikiProject, WikiProject Anime and manga that you might be interested in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating new page for a company

Creating a new page for a company. Dear all, I need help creating a page for a 41-year-old company I'm working with. What could be the reason that the page was deleted. I want to mention that I did not want to publish yet, cause it's not ready, could not find a save botton, had to publish it, knowing it will not be online. Please advise me what to do as a beginner.

thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Armen Sepetjian, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have some misunderstandings about Wikipedia. First, everything, everywhere in Wikipedia is published, in the sense that it is visible (and in most cases, editable) by anybody in the world - articles, drafts, personal pages, everything. That is why the Wikimedia Foundation insisted that the "save" button be renamed "Publish". That is a different sense from when we "publish" something as an article in the main encyclopaedia.

Secondly, what we create here is not "pages for" a company or anything else; it is articles about notable subjects. Not every company (just like not every sports person, politician, musician, artist...) is notable in Wikipedia's eyes: we require that an article be based close to 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it, and therefore such independent published sources must exist. Your company may be notable, but most companies in the world are not. Thirdly, if you are working with the company, you almost certainly have a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way compensated by the company (whether as an employee or volunteer, or as a contractor) you are required to make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.

If you can clear those hurdles, then you may try to create a draft article about your company, using the articles for creation process. This is a very difficult task for new editors, and even more difficult for editors with a conflict of interest, because material that looks straightforward to you may look promotional to other editors. But if you want to try, Your first article is the place to look.

In short: if you are coming here to tell the world about your company, you are probably in the wrong place (I mean Wikipedia, not the Teahouse). That's not what Wikipedia is for. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for your prompt reply. Honestly, I was hired months ago to accomplish certain tasks, one of the most important one in this, being present on Wikipedia. It was my fault I tested an unfinished page. The company I'm working with is not similar to any other food product distributor. It's something related to Middle Eastern Culture, Lebanese culture. I have many reasons to believe that Al Wadi company must be present on Wikipedia. All I need is your advice, as you mentioned above, I will go to the "Articles for Creation page" and proceed from that step. Hopefully when I'm in need of help I will hear from you. thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Help me!

can you help me write my new research article about coding?

almohannad 20067 18:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC) almohannad 20067 18:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almohannad20067 (talk • contribs) 2020-04-20T19:45:34 (UTC)

Hello, Almohannad20067. I don't know how you signed your post, but a signature is supposed to link to (at least) your user talk page. Please sign using the signing tool, or four tildes: ~~~~. I'm not clear what you are asking. If you want to use material in Wikipedia to help you write an article somewhere else, you are free to do so, provided you comply with the conditions in reusing Wikipedia content: you might find one of the articles linked from coding useful.

If you are trying to write a Wikipedia article, then you will need to find a topic which is not already covered, and show that it is notable. We don't write "research articles" here - original research is not accepted in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

how to place the reference list in Article

Therealstar (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Therealstar: Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that you understand how to use references, just create the section near the bottom of the page:

== References ==
{{reflist}}

Consult WP:ORDER if you need to know where in the article that section should go. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

how to create a page

What can i do to crete a pageErnest Maluleke (talk) 20:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Ernest Maluleke, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking about how to create an article, please understand it is one of, if not the, hardest things you can do on here. WP:YFA can help walk you through that. Other pages like user (talk) pages and templates have less strict guidelines that articles, which you can find here: talk page guidelines, template guidelines, and user page guidelines. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to change a photo

7donohoe7 (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

7donohoe7, to clarify, are you asking about changing the image of a file that already exists on here or on Commons? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Combining two pages

Hello. I found two pages which I believe should be combined:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_University_in_St._Louis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danforth_Campus

How should I raise this for discussion? Or, is there a template I can insert on one or both pages? 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Swickouski (talk)

The process is discussed at WP:Merging. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Swickouski: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe the two pages should be merged, I suggest you should:

• Start a discussion on the talk page of the destination article.
• Use {{merge}} templates on the pages in question. If you know which page is being merged into which, you may decide to use the {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} templates instead.

For more reading consult WP:MERGE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

thank youSwickouski (talk) 21:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing embedded sources

What's the protocol for citing references within a reference? I'm looking at sources in modern English, with mounds of footnotes referring to earlier sources in ancient Greek. Do I need to catalogue these original sources (even though I haven't, and can't read them), or can I just cite the book/article I got the information from in the first place? Thanks 21:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Maryanne Cunningham (talk)

Hello Maryanne Cunningham - that's a very good question. I would say that, providing the source you are wanting to cite can definitely be regarded as a Reliable Source in its own right, then you do not need to cite the sources used by that source. Following that idea to its logical conclusion would mean that we would need to know and cite every individual source used within every 'reliable source'. That's why use of the term 'reliable' is so important. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Disclosing Conflict of Interest before Making Edits

 Courtesy link: Lois Stratton

I recently edited an article about a family member that I knew had incorrect personal details. The family member provided the correct information about marriage status, children, work history etc. After making the edits I read up on the COI rules and realized I should have proposed changes first. How do I correct what I have done and/or disclose my connection to the subject? I am sorry -- I did not find the COI instructions very helpful for a new editor like me.Westalice (talk) 22:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Westalice, welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for adhering to the guidelines as best as you could. You may put the {{UserboxCOI|Lois Stratton}} template on your user page so that people visiting your user page knows about your connection with the subject. I have added the {{Connected contributor}} template to the article's talk page stating that you have declared a connection. While we have you here, what didn't you understand about the COI instructions? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Westalice (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are formal ways to declare a COI, but a simple statement on your userpage will be sufficient. Just edit your userpage to make a statement telling the nature of your COI.

I will note that I did reverse your edits(though they remain in the article edit history so they are not permanently lost) because they were not sourced to a published, independent reliable source. All information in an article, especially about a living person, must be sourced to a published reliable source that can be verified; we cannot accept people's word for information. 331dot (talk) 22:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Correction of title "Abron tribe" to Bono people(tribe)

Kindly help me to change the name of the tribe called "Abron tribe" to "Bono people(tribe)". Our name originally in Ghana is called Bono and not Abron. The original name Bono is what is anglicised as Brong, and elsewhere called Abron in La Cote Divoire. In Ghana, and in all cases, we are called Bono and not Abron. So please kindly help me rectify this mistake. Waiting to hear from you. Thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abron_tribeBosomba Amosah (talk) 23:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Bosomba Amosah, welcome to the Teahouse. You've taken the correct first step in proposing a move over at the article's talk page. I would suggest reading this part in renaming articles as it includes the template that you would use at Talk:Abron tribe. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

A request for review

I have been a Wikipedia user for quite a while. I intended to do editing way back when I created the account, but am just now getting started. I've tried to remove the unreliable sources and otherwise clean up The Sacred Band of Stepsons, but don't want to remove a tag on essentially my first substantive edit. Could someone please review it, tell me anything I goofed on, and remove the Unreliable Sources tag if appropriate?BillBarnhill (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

BillBarnhill, you should discuss this with TrynaMakeADollar who's the one who added the tags and seems to be actively editing. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, I left a message for TrynaMakeADollar, but also wanted to leave a request here, in case. BillBarnhill ☎️ 18:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating an Article for an Organization

Can you ask an experienced editor to create an article for your organization in order to avoid COI?Nataliee97 (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nataliee97, I'm not sure what article about an organization you want to create. You can create an article regardless if you have a COI or not through the Articles for Creation process. You just create a draft article and then submit it for review. If it's a good article that doesn't contain anything in What Wikipedia is not, then it'll be accepted. You can start at the article wizard. Alternatively, you can request an article to be crated. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 01:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Can I Log In. If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for, do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so I need to disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nataliee97 So you made a userspace draft. The talk page of your draft shows that you are an intern. So you work for them for money, which is a financial COI, so yes, you should declare a COI on the draft's talk page which you already have.

Also, irrelevant to your question, but when you make replies, use the colon ":" to indent to messages you are replying to. See WP:THREAD. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 02:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nataliee97: If you work on an article you're working for, you must declare it on the talk page of the draft (please use {{connected contributor (paid)}}). I myself do not know at what point it becomes inappropriate to continue editing an article about your organisation, but articles generally have their paid contributors submit edit requests through the article's talk page. As for declaring it on your own user page, you may use the {{Paid}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Understood, thank you! Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own (and submit it for review) at the same time? Nataliee97 (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

{Edit Conflict with Can I Log In, but I'll re-ad this anyway] Hello, Nataliee97; welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is Yes, you may certainly ask: the usual place to do so is at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Please read the instructions there carefully, click through the categories and sub-categories (for example; Business and economics, Companies, Initial letter of company name) and add the Organization's name, brief description and, crucially, links to or bibliographical details of some independent Reliable sources that describe the Company and establish what we call its Notability.

It is only fair to warn you, however, that the proportion of requests that get taken up by an experienced editor is fairly small. This is because nearly all editors are unpaid volunteers who work on what interests them when they have time. Wikipedia itself employs no paid editors. Also, as you may already realise, creating an acceptable new article is hard. I've been editing here for more than 15 years, and used to be a professional textbook editor, but I've never myself tried to write a new Wikipedia article.

Some people try to operate as independent paid editors who offer to create articles on behalf of clients (such as yourself, potentially) for money, but it is not a good idea to get involved with this. Many of them are actually not good at writing articles acceptable to Wikipedia, they are supposed to declare their own PAID and COI status, their contributions tend to be judged more harshly than those of volunteer editors by the volunteers who review articles for acceptability and, despite what an editor-for-hire may claim, they cannot guarantee that their work will be allowed to stand. They certainly cannot ensure that what they write is not then edited by others into a state that their client might not like: nobody owns an article, and an article's subject has less rights to influence its content than anybody else. Remember, it won't be "your Organisation's Wikipedia page", it will be Wikipedia's article about your Organization, "warts and all" if those warts are described by reputable sources.. See the essay Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and also Streisand Effect. Remember also that Wikipedia absolutely forbids "promotion" of a subject.

If you/your Organization still want Wikipedia to have an article about it, you can increase your chances of getting an experienced editor involved by studying the Reliable sources and Notability pages I linked above, and including several (at least 3) such sources in your request on which that editor can begin to base an article. However, please do not add lots of sources which only give the Organization a passing mention or list entry, or any that are not completely independent of it (such as the Org's websites, press releases, interviews with officials even if in reputable journals, etc.): such non-independent sources can be used to corroborate minor facts about a subject (such as how many employees it currently has), but cannot contribute to confirming its Notability.

Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, 2.122.178.214. Your response was very helpful. Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own at the same time? Also, If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for (i.e. I'm an intern at the organization), do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so should I disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise that, Nataliee97: having two separate attempts at the same article often causes headaches. Better would be to try creating it yourself and at an early stage try and find a suitable WikiProject, and ask there. (If you find one, a third alternative would be to abandon your attempt, and ask there for a collaborator as your first step). If you are an intern at the organisation, you are regarded as a Paid editor, so you must make the declarations called for in that policy. --ColinFine (talk) 09:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

HELP

Hi, I just noted that the user {u|Dean197} has deleted plenty of text from this article "Mi Notebook Air" url:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_Notebook_Air. I had spent a lot of my time editing it and it now fees like a waste of time.... Was this article previously reviewed by a senior editor before acceptance. If so, is it ok for someone to remove most of the text from the article? Should I edit other articles or not? Can someone please review/? Thank you for your advice. Earthianyogi (talk) 01:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi, welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can tell Dean197 removed content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations. I see you've left a message to Dean197 on the talk page; I have pinged them on your behalf. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Thank you for your response. I did read his/her comments "content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations.". Thanks for pointing it out. However, I think slightly different as follows:

1. I check this user's profile and s/he seems like an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia. Also, they have not yet replied.

2. This editor seems to have made no effort to correct it themselves. If they cannot, they should at least try to find the missing references. If they cannot, they should leave a tag on the article and leave it for others to improve it. If they cannot, they should contact the author of the article. I feel so because the article must have been passed by a senior editor and maybe worth it.

3. How can we assess this user's credibility in deleting the text? I mean, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective.

4. If an editor feels that some content needs to be deleted, then they should first check with the author of the article or other editors before doing so.

5. I edited a few Wikipedia articles. I noticed that references are missing in many places in various articles. That does not mean that the text is any less relevant. I just feel that sometimes authors do not have the time or the energy to add these references, or some do not even have that kind of training to do so. Therefore, we should put a collaborative effort to make and improve Wikipedia, rather than just deleting another person's effort.

6. Please note I am not the author of this article. However, I had spent time editing it, and I feel like it has been a waste of my time when someone just comes along a deletes the text. I wonder how would the author of the article feeling.

I hope I am making sense. Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Earthianyogi. Yes, you are making sense; but no, that is not entirely how this works. The relevant policy is BRD. If you read this, you will see that your point 4 is specifically wrong. As for your other points:

• 1 is not relevant, except that the other editor may also be unfamiliar with how we work.
• 2: I agree that that would be preferable, but there are many reasons why people do, or don't edit in the most preferably way.
• 3: I'm not sure what the "credibility" of an editor is. Editing Wikipedia is a combination of applying rules and policies, and balancing subjective views of what is appropriate: that's why we have BRD. AGF says that we should treat all editors equally unless and until their continued behaviour gives cause for concern.
• 5:Wikipedia policy does not require everything to be cited, as long as it could be in principle, (see WP:PERENNIAL#Require inline citations for everything), but editors are often more picky about new material introduced. You are entitled to introduce material without citation (as long as you have verified that there is a source that could be cited - but then, why not cite it?); Dean197 is entitled to regard that as unsatisfactory, and remove it. The next step is to discuss the question and reach consensus.
• 6: Usually "the author of the article" is a phrase without a referent. Most Wikipedia articles are the work of several, sometimes many, separate editors. It is in the nature of how we work that sometimes people will put in effort that is ultimately discarded. This is one of the reasons why it is sometimes a good idea to propose a change on the article's talk page before making a change.

Note that I haven't even been to look at the article and your edits, so I am making no statement about whether I agree or disagree with your additions: I'm just answering your questions about the process. --ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thank you for your reply. I agree with all your points. Concerning point 4, I have not looked at the policy; however, I was just porpoising that we do so. But it is okay if that has already been thought through. I regard to credibility, I mean how do we ensure that the person has the right set of knowledge and skills to do so. Also, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective. May be the person is just a fraud (how do we assess?). I mainly edited the text of the article, without adding any new info or removing any old info from it. It is okay that some of the work gets discarded, but It has to be done in the right way on a factual basis; otherwise, it is just discouraging. Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, also, I read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle. It talks about positive contributions. Just deleting a text without any discussion does not sound positive or constructive to me. Also, it mentions nothing about deleting text. Another editor Tenryuu and I have left comments on Dean197's talk page, but have not got a response yet. Thanks. Earthianyogi (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Earthianyogi. You were bold, Dean197 reverted, now you're discussing. That's how it works. As for credibility: there is no particular knowledge required to edit any article constructively. There are some basic skills in using and understanding English, which we assume that an editor has until they give us reason to doubt that; there are some skills in how Wikipedia works, which we assume that a new editor does not have, but try to teach them gently. You are right that there are people who come on here not to build an Encyclopaedia; but we start by assuming good faith. And if a large edit is done by a vandal or POV pusher, it is usually straightforward to undo it, so nothing is completely lost. --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

From quick look, the article was tagged before Dean197's deletions with too much detail and citations needed - and much of what was deleted was separately tagged with citation needed - so the actions were not entirely arbitrary. If citations can be found for the deleted content it may be appropriate to restore it, or some of it. Personally, I agree that even if citations are available, there was too much esoteric detail. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a document that helps a person decide which notebook to buy. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

An Edgenuity Article?

Hello! I've recently joined Wikipedia, and I've started to take part in a couple of edits. I think a pretty good article to write about would be Edgenuity, an online, common core state curriculum for every state in America. I think it's important to write about due to the rapid increase in distance learning, and Edgenuity does exactly that! Is it possible to get an article about this, and maybe I could help out, too? Thank you for your time.Le Panini (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, welcome to the Teahouse. There are multiple paths you can take. You can leave a request over at WP:REQUEST or you can get a draft started in draftspace—the page title that would most fit is Draft:Edgenuity. Feel free to work on it there with the reliable sources that establish its notability; others may decide to join you on there.

If you decide to start a draft, please read WP:YFA carefully, as creating an article is one of the hardest things to do on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Spelt

216.169.2.229 (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, what is your question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit Help

Whenever I press publish it doesn't work then I have to reload and press publish. Then it works. Video link.Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Andrew nyr, as this seems tech-related, I'll point you in the direction of the WP:VPT, where the folks there answer questions like that. In the meantime, have you thought about disabling the new wikitext editor and using a gadget like Cacycle's WikEd editor instead? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I already did to no avail... I added a question on WP:VP, so we will see what happens.

Thanks again,
Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Request to move from Draft to Mainspace

Draft to Mainspce

I am the author of Draft:Operation Java page. I want to move this page from draft to wiki mainspace. I have added reliable references from news and online film reports. I have also ensured that there are enough in links from other wiki pages.

Kindly let me know if there is anything else to be done from my sideSmjsmj89 (talk) 04:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Smjsmj89, please cite your sentences with the references that are all in the references section by putting them right after whichever sentence they provide information to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Do what Tenry suggested first. After you insert the refs into the body of the draft, the system shows the refs under References. As you have only recently become a Wikipedia editor, and this is the first draft you have created, it is strongly recommended that you submit the draft to the Articles for Creation process so that it will undergo an expert review before being approved to mainspace or declined for need of more work. There is a wait-for-reviewer time that is often within a week or two, but can be months (there is a backlog of nearly 2,000 drafts, but it is not a queue system). David notMD (talk) 13:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Edgenuity Draft

I started a new article about Edgenuity, an online core and curriculum course. Right now, it's super small. I finished the main summary for it, but a lot more needs to be added for the history section. I also wanted to write two sections: one about its curriculum, and one about the COVID 19 impact, but I can't do all of this alone. Are there ways where I can get more help? Thank you for your time.Le Panini (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: welcome to the Teahouse. Right now, please just focus on determining whether the subject of Draft:Edgenuity will actually meet our essential acceptability criterion of 'notability'. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and in particular the section within it on 'Primary Criteria. (shortcut: WP:ORGCRITE). You will need to include at least three, thoroughly independent and reliable sources that describe this company in detail. Press releases and promotional insider gumpf will not cut it. Often, less is more, so trying to expand an article to cover everything that its own promotional website might cover is a big mistake. Of course, I do need to ask if you are connected in any way with the company. If so, you can declare any Conflict of Interest or our mandatory  Paid Editing Declaration by reading and following those two links.

Once you've done those things, take a look at incorporating proper references, not just inline links to external websites. I have prepared a guide to help new editors insert these. See this shortcut: WP:EASYREFBEGIN.

I am reluctant to suggest how you can get more help at this stage. Right now, it's up to you to do the basics of demonstrating that the company meets our notability criteria. Once you submit the draft for review (at Articles for Creation, and it is accepted, that's the time when other editors will be most willing to come in and work to improve the article. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiProjects

I recently nominated and achieved New Albion for GA recognition. Now, I am turning my attention to the Talk page which you may view HERE. That attention has resulted in questions regarding WikiProjects. The article is listed as active in five projects; namely, two relating to California and one each in Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia. The article is only marginally related to Washington and British Columbia and only slightly more so to Oregon. It is perfectly fitting to be included in the San Francisco and California projects. All of these projects have the article assessed as either C quality or not assessed. How is this changed, and is there anything I should do relating to this?

I believe there are projects for which this is quite appropriate--much more so than Oregon Washington, and British Columbia--yet they are not listed, to wit: Geography, England, Military, Military History, and probably others. Is there a specified or proper protocol for which these projects are notified, and is there anything I should do relating to this?

Thank you for your kind attention, and I look forward to hearing from you.05:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Hu Nhu (talk)

Hi User:Hu Nhu welcome to the Teahouse. Pls review Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Tagging pages with WikiProject banners..'s not recommended to remove project . More projects watching over a page might be best. More people will see notices and the like thru their project pages PS jumped in to help with talk page requests..--Moxy 🍁 05:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Appears that achieving GA jumped all projects to GA, which I believe is standard. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:David notMD and User:Moxy. Thank you for your response, and I also appreciate your prompt attention. I've always found the Teahouse to be very helpful.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Infobox designing/creation - understand how-to guide steps

Hello, I am in the process of designing a infobox law enforcement unit infobox. At present, editors use either the Template:Infobox military unit or the Template:Infobox law enforcement agency for law enforcement unit articles. I am having difficulty finding fellow editors to assist in designing as few editors are interested in the area - Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement was proposed for deletion in 2019. I might post on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history as there are many editors familiar with that infobox used in many articles. Anyway, my question is, once I settle upon the design, I don't understand the final step Help:Designing infoboxes "Once the infobox prototype has been tested, it is ready for peer review and deployment". I posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes but had no reply.--05:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Melbguy05 (talk)

How to start editing Wikipedia?

FYI

 – Heading made by Tenryuu.

How can I start editing Wiki?Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 06:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can start editing Wikipedia by clicking on "edit page" at the top of a page. You can head over to the Wikipedia:Community portal if you would like suggestions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21:, start with Help:Introduction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21:' WP:EDITING might help. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21: Or try out our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure and collect 15 different badges to demonstrate your achievements along the way. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu , Gråbergs Grew Sang , REDMAN 2019 , Nick Moyes Thank you so much all of you for giving me advice . I got it .Now I'll try to contribute on Wikipedia as much as it is possible to create new articles and by editing the existing articles.Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 05:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DoodiePoodie

Heading inserted by ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Need some help, new on Wikipedia!

Hello there! I have been on the Kiwi IRC asking for help on learning how to do this.

My first attempt at an article Failed :D On the IRC and anon user Majavah helped me fix the issues

One last bit remains - on the citations. Can someone help me with that?Doodiepoodie (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Doodiepoodie: You asked this identical question at the AFC Help Desk. Please don't waste volunteer time by repeating requests for assistance in more than one place. This tends to annoy those who willingly give their time here. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi - thank you Nick Moyes. I am new to this, and am learning. My bad! Won't happen again.

No worries - sorry to sound snappy. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Birthday Book

When is Greta Thunberg' B'day (birthday)141.168.185.227 (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

IP - try using Wikipedia to find this sort of information out for yourself. That's what its there for! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Website as a reference

Is it possible to put pages from my website as a reference for particular/specific birds? Classic Collection of North American Birds https://www.birds-of-north-america.net/Kesha59 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Brian. I appreciate you asking but, as interesting and informative as your website looks, the 'About' page does make it clear that yours is maintained by a single person - yourself - and as such would tend not to be regarded as a Reliable Source. You do link on your website to other authoritative national and international sites which will themselves have had some firm editorial control, so please use these instead. Other people might regard your addition of links to your own site as being promotional/spamming in nature, or pushing content based on your own 'original research' or personal opinion. That is not to decry the accuracy of the information you endeavour to provide. (I can appreciate your position: as a botanist myself, I published an online Flora of my county some years ago. There, however, it was hosted by a local government, and it would be fairer for Wikipedians to conclude that that body would not have let me publish it had it been unreliable. Had I simply created my own website, it might have unsurprising if editors here had objected to me linking to it.) Thank you so much for your question - should you ever need further advice, do return here, or drop by my user page where I'm only too happy to guide a fellow naturalist. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)    

PS: I found a typo on your site you might want to fix. It's the link to AOS - The American Ornitholgy Society. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with an edit - I have reference source!

Hello! I need to add Nikki Stipp as an additional composer on the page for CHEER (T.V. series). I am unfamiliar with editing wikipedia and am frankly lost. This is quite an important credit for the people involved and I have the IMDB page as a source. I also have documentation that can be uploaded somewhere, but I do not know how to go about it. Can someone help me make this edit?

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm11181879/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr56Ruthtruthfully (talk) 13:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Ruthtruthfully, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm afraid that per WP:RSP IMDB doesn't classify as a valid source, but if you are able to find another source, I'm sure that a Wikipedia editor will be happy to insert the edit for you. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 14:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Writing my Bio

How do I create a page about myself? Genius1112002 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Genius1112002:, welcome to Wikipedia! We strongly discourage from creating pages about yourself, and most articles about people are deleted for not being notable enough. If you really are notable, it is likely someone will have already created an article for you. I suggest reading WP:FAMOUS, that shows having a Wikipedia page about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you've read all that and really think you are notable, then I suggest reading WP:MFA and proceeding from there. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Page editing slowly

Hi, all! I suppose I'm not really a 'newcomer', but I wasn't sure where to ask my question. Sorry if I came to the wrong place, I guess. Anyways, I'm working on revamping President of the United Nations Security Council dramatically, but it's a rather large page, and it takes multiple seconds for anything I type to show up, making editing rather hard. Is there a way to fix this? Is it because I use the 2017 wikitext editor? Should I split the list of presidents to its own page? Any suggestions people might have are welcomed. For reference, I use the 2017 wikitext editor, visual editor and just about every beta feature. It's only a problem in source editingEddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Eddie891. I think the delay (which I also get of around 10 seconds) on previewing changes is because of the size of the page, combined with the huge number of flag templates present. Each one of these has to be accessed and rendered before the page displays. Have you tried just editing one section at a time in WP:Source Editor? That should be a lot quicker for you. I suspect that because using WP:VE already has the flags shown then you're not experiencing the same processing requirements. (This processing would occur on the WMF's servers, not your computer) If, however, you're hitting your keyboard and the individual letters you are typing are taking a long time to appear on the screen as you type, then I suspect you might be low on memory on your device. The first thing I'd do is to save all my work and restart my computer. That normally frees up things when I'm running slow. Other background services can also impact on my computer's processing speed, and thus when letters appear on screeen. But, as you say this doesn't happen with Visual Editor, I suspect it's the long rendering time for the whole page that's the issue. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, Thanks for such a prompt response! Editing section by section seems to work fine for the delay, and I also restarted my computer, so whichever it was it seems to have been fixed? There's still a character delay when I edit the whole article, and I agree that's probably something to do with my computer, but I can workaround by editing section by section or using VE, so not too big of a deal. Thanks again! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eddie891: That's great to hear. Thanks for getting back to me. Anytime you need help - just let us know. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Really basic question

I am completely new at this, and I confess that I am overwhelmed by the complexity of the Wikipedia undertaking. I have just read through the "BE BOLD" section, and I'm already confused. Am I to understand that when I edit an article, I need to put all my changes in bold-face type so that another reader can tell where the edits are? I have done copy-editing/rewrite on a short historical note, freely deleting awkward language, and inserting language that improved grammar and clarity. I neither marked my text additions (as with, say, bold-face type) nor indicated text I proposed to delete. Did I do it wrong?ZAMOS47 (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

"Be Bold" means "Be brave in how you edit" - your post made be chuckle though. There's certainly no need to type in Boldface or Capitals- indeed, both are heavily frowned upon. We can see what anyone has added by comparing two versions and looking at the 'difference' - we call this a 'Diff' - here's one you made earlier. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure - you'll learn a lot in our interactive tour.  Nick Moyes (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ZAMOS47, welcome to the Teahouse. That guideline is telling you yourself to be bold and make changes, not your typeface. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Remember to explain in Edit summary what changes you made and reasons for. No need to be overly explicit/detailed. For any article, View history (top menu) shows chronolgical history of changes, with Edit summaries. For each, clicking on prev (left side) shows before and after panels. David notMD (talk) 16:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help, Help, Help!

Hi, this is Shadowblade08 again. I only get onto Wikipedia around once a week, and every time I ask a question, it gets archived before I can read the answers that people typed. Here the deal, is there a way that I can stop people from archiving my questions, or is there a way that I can find them? Thx. Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your previous questions were "Who was this written by?" on Talk:Coronavirus disease 2019, "Hi everyone, just wanted to check in, and see what was up", "I was just curious, there is so little content in this story. Would it be possible to have someone to write more? on Talk:STS-3, 'Would it be helpful to combine all the different COVID-19 articles into one article, and just have them labeled under different topics?", "Is it possible for me to close a topic on my discussion page?", and "Do you have a coat of arms?". You can't really be surprised that we're not going to keep things like that live indefinitely. You can find the archived questions here by typing in the search field near the top of the Teahouse page where it says "Search archives"—if you're not sure of the exact wording of your question, the easiest thing to do is search for your username. ‑ Iridescent 15:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I realize that you are clearly annoyed at me. If you want to just be annoyed at me, lets talk about it on my talk page, because there is no reason for me to do it here, where you are definitely not answering my questions. If you want to answer my question, then great, but your not, at least, yet. Thanks again, Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Despite the fact that you had no question here? And your previous questions were answered? puggo (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Not the only people annoyed with you. You joined three weeks ago, have done ~150 edits, but none to articles. Instead, you pose questions at Teahouse and invite other editors to chat with you on your Talk page. Talk is not for chat, and Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit articles. Get with the program. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, some edits to an article were made, like this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Which I had reverted a few days later because all of the content added was already in the article. David notMD (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, the location of your thread in the archives is linked in the message in your talk page informing you of the archival. Look for a blue "here" to click.

With that out of the way, what's with your reply to Iridescent that you modified later on, and your reply to the thread immediately below? Are you trying to find out how far you can take the trolling before the nice people at Wikipedia block you? I note that David notMD tried to advise you at your talk already; it's becoming quite clear you are not here to improve the encyclopedia. I would be very careful about your next few edits. This is not a place to hang out and troll around. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the Wikipedia:MOS?

I copy edit as part of the Guild of Copyeditors. Something called the Wikipedia:MOS comes up a lot. What exactly is it? Thanks,Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally don't know, but there are people that do know.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017: If you click the link, the lead paragraphs explain what the MOS is. RudolfRed (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks! I clicked the link... I’ll try to just click the link from now on when I’m unsure of something. Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Always welcome back here if links leave you confused. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

And one more tip, Total Eclipse 2017: if somebody uses a term that seems to be a Wikipedia term or abbreviation, and there isn't a link, it's usually worth searching for it with "WP:" before it (like WP:MOS). ("WP:" is an abbreviation for "Wikipedia:": you can use either). --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, everyone! I really appreciate it! I came to Wikipedia by accident, but now it’s a fun hobby for me while I’m in quarantine and the schools are closed... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

AutoBio Graphy

Dear Sir/Madam

How to Post my Auto Biography in wiki so that when any one searches my name in internet they get a small infoModhagapriyan (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Modhagapriyan: This is strongly discouraged. See WP:AUTO for details. RudolfRed (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft declined for lack of references

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

Resolved

 – Draft re-submitted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hasan B. Alam

I wrote this article but unfortunately did not have enough third party references, due to which it was declined. I re-wrote the article and would like to resubmit it for review. However, I cannot see the 'Resubmit' button anywhere. How do I resubmit the article?

Kindly let me know. 16:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Umarfb (talk)

@Umarfb: It appears you've re-submitted it already. Did you have any other questions? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @Tenryuu: The issue was resolved.

Good to hear, Umarfb. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting a declined article

FYI

 – Merged from separate question below. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I wrote this article but unfortunately did not have enough third party references, due to which it was declined. I re-wrote the article and would like to resubmit it for review. However, I cannot see the 'Resubmit' button anywhere. How do I resubmit the article?

Kindly let me know. 17:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Umarfb (talk)

Asked and answered at the Help Desk. Please don't post questions in more than one place, Umarfb. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umarfb (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

i got the reply from senior editor in Talk where i tried to add some content in "Asha Bhosle" article.

I dont know how to use "Change x to Y" format. i need to add content in an article but it got rejected and said -- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format

may i know how to use "Change X to Y format" is there any example i can get any idea of it.VineetGupta777 (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

VineetGupta777, welcome to the Teahouse! Assuming you're talking about Talk:Asha Bhosle, you don't mention where you think it should be in the article, or even that you want it added to the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

To expand that a little, VineetGupta777, what JTP means is that, rather than saying "AB recorded the song ... ", you are much more likely to get a favourable response if you say "Please add the following text to the section ... in the article: ...". It would also help to give a reference to a source independent of the surbject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

VineetGupta777, to use an example from your request, there'd be a difference if you had said something along the lines of "Please add: 'In 2015, Asha Bhosle recorded a sufi song, "Sajde Me Tu" with co-singers Javed Ali and Pankaj Kumar' to the end of the subsection 'Concerts and collaborations with foreign artists' ". You would also provide a reference with that request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Untitled Question

Untitled Question

How do you cite if you just know it but you don't remember were you learned it?Dani Hart ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, DaniHart08. I'm afraid the answer is, "You find a published reliable source for the information and cite that". If you can't find a reliable published source, then the information does not belong in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

DaniHart08, unfortunately (for you, I guess. I think it perfectly appropriate), every single thing you add here must come from reliable secondary sources, which you should paraphrase and cite. We do not allow original research. We do not add what we "just know". ) WP:V is one of our most important policies. John from Idegon (talk) 20:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@DaniHart08: Please note that, per WP:SIGLINK, signatures must include at least one direct internal link to your user page, user talk page, or contributions page. See WP:CUSTOMSIG for more details on customization if you need it. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to start a new article with the same name as another page?

I want to start an article on a Cuban writer and professor, but there is already two pages called "Rolando Perez"about other people (sports and music). How do I create a third page that is not confused with the prior two?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Perez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Antonio_P%C3%A9rez_Fern%C3%A1ndez

I want to create one of this Cuban writer.

Rolando Pérez is Associate Professor at Hunter College (CUNY). He specializes in twentieth century Latin American literature, and his research interests include the relationship between literature and art and between philosophy and literature. His on-going projects consist of reading literary texts vis-à-vis the philosophical concepts of thinkers like Nietzsche, Deleuze, Guattari, Baudrillard, Badiou, Levinas, and Dussel, to name a few. Pérez is author of On An(archy) and Schizoanalysis (1990), Severo Sarduy and the Religion of the Text (1988), Severo Sarduy and the Neo-Baroque Image of Thought in the Visual Arts(2012).Latinxtranslator1 (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Latinxtranslator1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You would add what is called a disambiguation to the title; for example, "Rolando Pérez (writer)". I would suggest, though, that you use Articles for Creation to submit a draft- and if you do, the reviewer can worry about the actual title. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Latinxtranslator1! Normally I'd suggest something like Rolando Perez (Academic) or Rolando Perez (Cuban academic), but neither is very good in case, though perhaps acceptable. That said, if your article doesn't show WP:BASIC/WP:NACADEMIC, it won't be accepted. I suggest you start as a HELP:Userspace draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I they have no middle name or initial , the suffix(academic) is the usual solution. It's clear enough to guide people. DGG ( talk ) 05:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

how do we get a job

100.8.247.253 (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, IP. This is a forum for advice on editing Wikipedia. Frankly, that sounds like question for your parents. If you need help editing Wikipedia, please stop back. John from Idegon (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor, this is the Teahouse, where new editors can ask questions about using Wikipedia. We are, unfortunately, not a search engine. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

And if you meant a job with Wikipedia, all here are unpaid volunteers. There is a Wikimedia Foundation, see https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/. But I doubt they are hiring. David notMD (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you ment the Wikipedia:Task Center? TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Check out employment --HillelFrei^{• talk •} 22:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

How to figure out which type of user I am.

How do I figure out if I'm extended confirmed, or confirmed user and so on?LucasA04 (talk) 19:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, go to your page, and on the bar on the left, there's a link with the words "Check User Groups". Click on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/LucasA04 Looking at it myself, you are an autoconfirmed user right now. puggo (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. LucasA04 (talk) 20:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

American and non-American variants

How do I know which articles want to add/keep the American or the Non-American variant of a word? For example "favour" and "favor."LucasA04 (talk) 20:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@LucasA04: Welcome to Wikipedia. It depends on if the subject of the article is American or not, and also what style is already in use in the article. See WP:ENGVAR for more details. RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm doing Mao Zedong and the Non-American variant is present. I also looked at WP:ENGVAR and saw that there is an exception if the article has strong ties to America or Britian. Mao Zedong is Chinese, but to say that China is British or American would be a stretch. For now, I have not changed it to the American variant, only to keep the original format, but just let me know if it should be changed based on what I've said. LucasA04 (talk) 20:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, if the non-American (and I shudder to use this word as there are different variants of non-American) English is being used the convention is to continue using that style. Sometimes articles have an {{use XXX English}} at the top of the article which lets editors know which variant to use, though I can see that there isn't anything like that at Mao Zedong. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, that's because it's where it's supposed to be, at the top of the article's talk page rather than on the article itself… The general rule is "whichever English variant the article is written in, stick with that unless there's a very strong consensus to change it". ‑ Iridescent 20:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much both of you. LucasA04 (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Iridescent, I'm referring to the {{Use British English}} template used in the article which adds the article to the respective hidden category but also serves as a reminder for editors to use that variant of English. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Random Link to a mathematics page

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I would like to have my browser display a random link to a mathematics page, however most math articles arent in the Category:Mathematics category. How can I get a random link to articles like calculus that are "children" of the Mathematics category?

PS: I am very new to wikipedia and I am glad for any advice you can give me :D

Thank you and happy editingTheFibonacciEffect (talk) 21:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

To answer your hidden question, if you want to link to a category, rather than place this page into the category, you need to precede it with a semi-colon, so [[:Category:Mathematics]] gives Category:Mathematics. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheFibonacciEffect: He means "precede it with a colon". As far as the answer to your question, I don't know that there's a way to do this. More info about the random article feature is at WP:RANDOM. Something using WP:SEARCH with the deepcat: option and some kind of random key might be an avenue to investigate. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Linking media pages to articles

Hello!! Kaisquared here. I would like to ask if it is possible to link a reliable media article to a wikipedia article without the link being removed for copyright reasons.Kaisquared (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the question above is related to a Biography of a Living person

@Kaisquared: Yes, if it's reliable, please cite it. See WP:REFBEGIN if you need help with referencing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Okay, I am reading it right now. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisquared (talk • contribs) 22:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kaisquared: Links cannot themselves be copyright violations. See WP:LINK and WP:EL for correct use of links. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, see WP:COPYVIOEL. There are links we don't include for copyright reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

ASIN vs ISBN

Quick Question - how do you template a book when the online info has an ASIN instead of an ISBN? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Maineartists, welcome to the Teahouse. The {{cite book}} template has parameters for both ASIN and ISBN. For ASINs, do {{cite book|asin=whatever the number is}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maineartists: ASIN is Amazon's id number. If the book has an ISBN (which would be shown in the bibliographic info on the Amazon page), please use that instead, since it is vendor-independent. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Very important question

Why is the "help page" called the teahouse? --LucasA04 (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, it's used to convey a calm place where (new) editors can relax and ask questions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, You can find some some info on the FAQ and here Wylie39 (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Image of tea and a bit extra David notMD (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Bacon butty and mug of tea

With reference to Draft: Shakir Ali Noorie

Dear teahouse editor can you please help me with above draft for its improvement so that it can shifted to main space, thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Maizbhandariya, I've done a little bit of copyediting, but some of the material sounds promotional; I suggest you report on the subject with more neutrality (see WP:PUFFERY for more detail). When it's ready click on the "Submit for review" button at the top. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I question whether the Spiritual lineage belongs in the article. Are you saying that this is a lineage of teachers/mentors? David notMD (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Urgent checking or reviewing of article"

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I wrote an encyclopedic article named "Saath charitable trust", which I submitted to Wikipedia. So there's urgent need for me to get my article reviewed and to get answer whether my article is being accepted or rejected. Please I request any one reviewer to review my article as I made all necessary changes that were required. Please it's a sincere request. The reason for urgent reviewing is university assignment I need to submit them the article by 23rd. Please helpMayank.b2 (talk) 02:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayank.b2:Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Wikipedia editors are volunteers and we do not operate on any set deadlines. It might get reviewed today or it might get reviewed in two weeks. If your professor has set an assignment for you to get a published article, then that is an unreasonable requirement, as no one can guarantee publication. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Saath Charitable Trust has been declined five times, with reviewers each time given reasons. You have submitted it a sixth. There is a strong possibility that it will be Rejected and deleted and banned as a possible topic without approval first from an Administrator. P.S. The organization's own website cannot be used as a reference. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayank.b2: Reviewers will review drafts in the backlog; it may take days or months. I strongly suggest your instructor take a look at WP:ASSIGN, as posting an assignment to get an article published is highly discouraged. Is your instructor collaborating with the education program? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Declined, in no way was that ready for publishing. It needs to be rewritten with less puffery. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mayank.b2. I'm sorry that your tutor has set you an impossible task. Aside from a few things tht could impact Wikipedia legally, such as removing copyright violations and personal attacks, nothing on Wikipedia is urgent. Absolutely nothing. Please show your tutor WP:Education program/Educators, and WP:There is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 08:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to edit table like this?

Hello there, Could somebody please show me 1) how I can edit the table: "properties of vegetable oils" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil#Composition_of_fats 2) how I can add a column to that table for example after the "total" column, as this table is missing the Omega 6 : 3 ratios. Thanks very much!TheBritishColumbian (talk) 02:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

TheBritishColumbian, the table is transcluded from Template:Vegetable oils, composition. I'm not super versed in using HTML within tables, but you would need to use the rowspan and colspan attributes, probably the latter. There's more information over at H:TABLE, particularly H:TABLE#HTML attributes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

NEW LEADER'S EDUCATION SYSTEM NEHANG

NEW LEADER'S EDUCATION SYSTEM (NLES) rdu:نیو لیڈرز ایجو کیشن سسٹم نہنگ) is a public SCHOOL based in Sargodha, Punjab, Pakistan.

It was founded in 2017 by an ordinance MALIK TASAWAR HUSSAIN KAMBOH. The main campus is located in Nehang. School has one Ali campus located in Ahli Kamboh. Its first acting chairman.[1] .AliHassan0524843 (talk) 03:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

AliHassan0524843, did you have a question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a forum for questions on the editing of Wikipedia. To create an article about this school in Pakistan, please first read WP:YFA. Feel free to come back to this forum in the future if you have questions. --HillelFrei^{• talk •} 04:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Article title rules

What are the rules for the title of an article?LucasA04 (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi LucasA04. You can find some information on this in Wikipedia:Article titles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly, Thank you. LucasA04 (talk) 04:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Dear editor can you please help me with the Draft:Shakir Ali Noorie whether it is ready for submission or not and new changes for improvement of the Draft required thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 09:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Web Page Moved

I have a personal web page that has been cited several times by other authors on Wikipedia, although I have scrupulously avoided citing it myself. Due to a mix-up in domain renewal, my site has been moved from "www.quadibloc.com" to "quadibloc.com". I'm not sure if it would be considered legitimate for me to edit these links myself. Quadibloc (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

My thoughts are best practice would be to set url-status=dead/usurped in the citation and looked up an archive version at archive.org/web and set archive-url and archive-date. IABot can sometimes be kicked to help. Others may advise differently.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that archiving is relevant, Djm-leighpark (though it might be a good idea for other reasons): the page has simply moved. Quadibloc: my feeling is that you can simply update those URLs as long as you are transparent in your edit summary. An alternative strategy would be to put an edit request on the relevant articles' talk pages. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Quadibloc: a search for "www.quadibloc.com" in our pages yielded these eleven results and of the few pages I checked with "www." in the name, they all still went to quadibloc.com without the www. (e.g. the External links given at Linear-feedback shift register and Penrose tiling). So I'm just wondering whether this is actually anything to be concerned about - or maybe it's just my browser making that redirect?. I certainly don't feel that making a minor change in url to the same overall domain is a serious COI issue. You could even cite this Teahouse discussion in your edit summary. Thanks for being open and upfront. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Publishing for a Middle Eastern Food company on Wikipadeia

Dear all, first I really thank Wikipedia's prompt responses. It appeared that I did not have a lot of idea what to mention and what not on Wikipedia. Can anyone guide me, show me links of other company pages, articles, What I should include and what not. I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, but I don't know which subjects are relevant. I believe this company has a very special role in making Lebanese food worldwide. 14 million Lebanese live outside of their motherland and Al Wadi brand means a lot to them. Please guide me on how my article can be eligible.

thanks in advanceArmen Sepetjian (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Armen Sepetjian: Wikipedia is run by unpaid volunteers. When you say I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, it sounds like you need to disclose a conflict of interest per our policy on paid editing.

Don't bother looking at other articles: you'll only see the wrong parts.

Here is a recipe for an article that will not be rejected. What you need to do is show notability by summarizing and citing at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not connected to, affiliated with, or dependent upon the Al Wadi brand. Focus on that to get the article approved before you do anything else. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Armen Sepetjian Your draft was a clear advertisement. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. Feel free to show your superiors this message. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding Language Tab

Siddiqui.hamid (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi, I have received this following notice. I am not sure what is this and what I am suppose to do? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Disambiguation link notification for April 22

An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.

Blended threat (check to confirm Earthianyogi (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Earthianyogi. It's warning you that some of the wikilinks you added to Blended threat were to pages that are only disambiguation pages, and it would almost certainly be better to replace them with (probably piped) links to the specific topic that is relevant here: specifically Operations and Environment. There's nothing you have to do - that's why it's only a warning - but if you are going to add links to help the reader, it helps them more to link to the specific article. In my opinion, while some of the links you added were good ones, eg "Cyber-attack" I think that linking to life, information, operations, environment and property are really examples of WP:overlinking. --ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an Administrator

Hi there,

I have been editing and attempting to improve Wikipedia articles for over two years, and my dream has been always to become an administrator by helping and protecting Wikipedia. I just realised that you had to be an actual user, and not IP, so I’m not sure what to do, as this could potentially be years of pointless tiring work, so can someone help me?

Cheers, EGL1234

EGL1234 (talk) 11:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234 I would suggest that instead of setting out with the goal of getting administrator rights, that you just set out with the goal of being a good Wikipedia editor, and making improvements or helping out in ways that interest you. Once you spend a long time(likely years) developing a good edit history that shows you understand Wikipedia guidelines and policies, have a good temperament, good judgement, and a need for the tools, other users will notice you and nominate you. You can see WP:RFA for more information as well as some advice on the process. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your reply, but I'm not sure if I stated it well in the question (sorry), but I mean that I have spent many years (7 precisely) diligently editing and imroving articles on my IP account, and I realised that I had to be a user with an account, so I just created this, and is there any way I can "claim" my edits that I made on my IP address?

Cheers, EGL1234 EGL1234 (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@EGL1234: Kinda. Like, you could link to your IP address's contributions on your user page, and sign it from that IP address to verify that it was you.

Linking your account to your IP contributions would give you a head start, and that time spent would be decent practice toward becoming the sort of user that others would nominate for adminship. There's no time limit, it was about a decade until they decided to see if I'd burn this place down with a mop.

As I state in my guide If you have to ask, you're not ready to be an admin. If you're absolutely positive that you're ready to nominate yourself to be an admin, oh God no, you're not. You're probably only ready for WP:Requests for adminship when you know damn well why you shouldn't be an admin but other people insist you'd do a good job for some reason. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234, I have been an editor since 2005, and have made nearly 17000 edits. I have never applied to be an administrator, because I don't hanker to do any of the things that you need that to do - in particular I am not good in conflict sitations, so I do not want to put myself into a job where I need to get involved in them. If you find a particular kind of activity that you can help Wikipedia with, that requires Admin rights, then by all means put yourself up for it. But otherwise: why? Admins are like the janitors: they do the dirty work that the rest of us don't have to get involved with. --ColinFine (talk) 12:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, I suppose you're correct. Its just I enjoy helping Wikipedia, and I do feel that I should be responsible for helping it, so I just wondered. Also, are you saying that I should apply if there is a specific thing I would like to sort out?

p.s. I also wondered what the criteria is to be allowed to make a bot.

Anyways, thanks a lot for you time. Cheers, 94.207.76.173 (talk) 12:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make an alt account?

Hello! I am a fairly new user in Wikipedia and I would like to know if I could make a second account. This account would only be used so I could run bots (ex. citation bot) on wiki pages. I read about sock puppets but I did not understand if what I want to do would be considered sockpuppetry. Thank you!Kinukram (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kinukram. That sounds fine to me. VALIDALT says "Editors who use bots are encouraged to create separate accounts". --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)