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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Lacking reliable sources with substantial coverage of the article subject (rather than passing mentions or coverage of related subjects). RL0919 (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article about a music production collective, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The main notability claim being attempted here is that they and artists they have worked with exist, which is not automatically notable enough to guarantee a Wikipedia article in and of itself -- but the article is referenced almost entirely to directly affiliated primary sources and glancing namechecks of ALAIZ in coverage of the individual artists, with little to no evidence of any WP:GNG-worthy coverage about ALAIZ in its own right.
The article was, further, heavily weighed down with entirely inappropriate offsite links to the self-published webpages of individual artists named in the body text, as well as quoteboxes highlighting cherry-picked promotional quotes for PR purposes, all of which I've already had to remove as WP:ELNO violations.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to have a stronger notability claim than just existing, and better sourcing for it than has been provided. Bearcat (talk) 17:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Article has been expanded (by, unsurprisingly, the same editor who's attempting to bludgeon this discussion below), but they're still not getting it: the writing tone is now much more heavily advertorialized than the initial "this is a thing that exists, the end" that I described at the time of nomination, and the sourcing is still depending entirely on a mix of primary sources that aren't support for notability at all and glancing namechecks of ALAIZ's existence in sources that are not about ALAIZ — both of which mean that they've made the article worse, not better. Bearcat (talk) 17:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm your tone isn't very neutral? Can you re-word it calmly and neutrally? Ɠɧơʂɬɛɖ (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: unencyclopedic tone with lots of trivial, irrelevant, and trite information, inadequate references independent of the subject, notability not established. Fails to meet WP:GNG, Wikipedia:Notability (music). Ira Leviton (talk) 14:14, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Going to reply based on Notability_(music) requirements - please excuse poor formatting, I am pressed for time but will come back to edit, didn't want to lose out on replying. The page is about the collective which is very notable across international borders in the hip-hop community.They inspired future Artists & producers.
Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

    • This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries except for the following:


      • Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.
      • Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases.


YES
there was a documentary on the Montreal beat & Piu Piu scene High Klassified was featured in the documentary see

https://likdo.asia/artist/gayance/

  • GET FAMILIAR: GAYANCE

https://www.patta.nl/blogs/news/get-familiar-gayance

  • Slang Rap reveals shortcomings in Montreal hip hop communityThe Concordian

https://theconcordian.com/2012/12/slang-rap-reveals-shortcomings-in-montreal-hip-hop-community/

  • GET TO KNOW GAYANCE, THE DJ AND PRODUCER EXPRESSING JOYFULNESS THROUGH MUSIC Mix Mag

https://mixmag.net/feature/get-to-know-gayance-montreal-haiti-dj-rhythm-section-interview

  • Piu Piu Documentary: Little Montreal Beats That Resonate Louder and Louder Nightlife.ca

https://nightlife.ca/2012/12/06/documentaire-piu-piu-des-petits-beats-montrealais-qui-resonnent-de-plus-en-plus-fort/ Montreal’s new breed: introducing the city’s up-and-coming producers [Fact (UK magazine)| Fact]] Katranada *https://www.factmag.com/2013/02/25/montreals-new-breed-introducing-the-citys-up-and-coming-producers/2/ 'High Klassified https://www.factmag.com/2013/02/25/montreals-new-breed-introducing-the-citys-up-and-coming-producers/3/
Piu Piu the name of again? https://www.nova.fr/news/de-quoi-piu-piu-est-il-encore-le-nom-8945-27-11-2014/ The Story of Artbeat, Montreal’s Destination for “Piu-Piu” Electronic Music VICE https://www.vice.com/en/article/artbeat-montreal-kaytranada-electronic-oral-history-2016/
Montreal’s Wasiu Shines a Spotlight on His City’s Bustling Beat Scene on “ArtBeat Cypher” https://audibletreats.com/wasiu_pr23/
Boudreault-Fournier, Alexandrine and Blais, Laurent K.. "8 Post-Nationalist Hip Hop: Beatmaking and the Emergence of the Piu Piu Scene". We Still Here: Hip Hop North of the 49th Parallel, edited by Charity Marsh and Campbell Mark V, Montreal: McGill-Queen's University Press, 2020, pp. 157-182. https://doi.org/10.1515/9780228004837-012 https://www.mqup.ca/we-still-here-products-9780228003502.php
Boudreault-Fournier, Alexandrine and Laurent K. Blais. "La comète Piu Piu : nouveaux médias et nationalisme en mutation." Anthropologie et Sociétés, volume 40, number 1, 2016, p. 103–123. https://doi.org/10.7202/1036373ar
Beat Connection: How Montreal’s next generation of producers are breaking the mould https://www.thetribune.ca/a-e/beat-connection-how-montreals-next-generation-of-producers-are-breaking-the-mould-827656/
All these articles mention ALAIZ collective: [1][2][3][4] of Canadian music producers and artists was located around Laval stretching to the South Shore area of Montreal.[5][6][7][8][9][10]. [11][12].[13][14][15] [16][17][18][19][20] [21] [22] [23]

      • Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.


YES
Kaytranada released 99.9%

+2016 chart performance for 99.9% Chart (2016) Peak position Australian Albums (ARIA) 21 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) 38 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) 106 Canadian Albums (Billboard) 24 Dutch Albums (Album Top 100) 29 French Albums (SNEP) 81 German Albums (Offizielle Top 100) 94 Irish Albums (IRMA) 83 New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 31 Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 54 UK Albums (OCC) 31 US Billboard 200 73 US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard) +2023 chart performance for 99.9% Chart (2023) Peak position German Albums (Offizielle Top 100) 49
+Year-end chart performance for 99.9% Chart (2016) Position US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard) 11
Kaytranada released BUBBA

BUBBA Chart (2019) !Peak position

!Australian Albums (ARIA) 53 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) 81 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) 194 !Canadian Albums (Billboard) 21 !Dutch Albums (Album Top 100) 34 !French Albums (SNEP) 128 !New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 39 !Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 74 UK Albums (OCC) 68 US Billboard 200 56 !US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard) 1
Kaytranada released Timeless

|+Chart performance for Timeless !Chart (2024) !Peak position

!Australian Albums (ARIA) 42 !Australian Dance Albums (ARIA) 2 !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) 64 !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) 149 !Canadian Albums (Billboard) 30 !Danish Albums (Hitlisten) 37 !Dutch Albums (Album Top 100) 23 !New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 25 !Portuguese Albums (AFP) 42 !Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 16 !UK Albums (OCC) 41 UK R&B Albums (OCC) 28 !US Billboard 200 28 !US Top Dance/Electronic Albums (Billboard) 2 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 6
Went gold in UK / Danish
Kaytranada produced Love Sick (album)
Weekly chart performance for Love Sick Chart (2023) Peak position Australian Albums (ARIA)[15] 61 Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)[16] 25 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) [17] 71 Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) [18] 76 Canadian Albums (Billboard)[19] :10 Dutch Albums (Album Top 100)[20] 40 French Albums (SNEP)[21] 59 German Albums (Offizielle Top 100) [22] 42 Irish Albums (IRMA)[23] 72 Lithuanian Albums (AGATA)[24] 47 New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)[25] 28 Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) [26] 12 UK Albums (OCC)[27] 36 US Billboard 200[28] 8 US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums :(Billboard)[29] 4
Year-end chart performance for Love Sick Chart (2023) Position US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard)[30] 71

Kaytranada produced You Only Live 2wice Chart (2017) Peak position New Zealand Heatseekers Albums (RMNZ)[16] 5 US Billboard 200[17] 124
Chart (2024) Peak position UK R&B Albums (OCC)[18] 7 Scottish Albums (OCC)[19] 84
Kaytranada did vocals on Lust (Kendrick Lamar song) Chart (2017) Peak position Canada (Canadian Hot 100)[20] 35 Czech Republic (Singles Digitál Top 100)[21] 86 France (SNEP)[22] 122 Ireland (IRMA)[23] 36 Netherlands (Single Top 100)[24] 72 New Zealand (Recorded Music NZ)[25] 36 Portugal (AFP)[26] 34 Slovakia (Singles Digitál Top 100)[27] 45 Sweden (Sverigetopplistan)[28] 94 UK Singles (OCC)[29] 52 US Billboard Hot 100[30] 43 US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs (Billboard)[31] 25
Kaytranada produced Kaytraminé +Chart performance for Kaytraminé !Chart (2023) !Peak position !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) 53 !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) 125 !Canadian Albums (Billboard) 51 !Dutch Albums (Album Top 100) 73 Irish Albums (IRMA) 96 !Lithuanian Albums (AGATA) 69 !New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 9 !Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 35 !UK Albums (OCC) 71 !US Billboard 200 92 !US Independent Albums (Billboard) 16 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 41
Kaytranada produced To Be Eaten Alive +Chart performance for To Be Eaten AliveChart (2023) Peak position US Billboard 200 93 US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 41
Kaytranada produced Ego Death +Chart performance for Ego Death !Chart (2015–2016) !Peak position !New Zealand Heatseekers Albums (RMNZ) 8 !US Billboard 200 89 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 9
Kaytranada produced tracks on Back of My Mind (H.E.R. album) +Weekly chart performance for Back of My Mind Chart (2021) Peak position !Australian Albums (ARIA) 84 Canadian Albums (Billboard) 31 !New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 37 Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 83 UK Albums (OCC) 68 UK R&B Albums (OCC) 5 !US Billboard 200 6 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 4
+Year-end chart performance for Back of My Mind Chart (2021) Position !US Billboard 200 175 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 73
High Klassified produced Comin Out Strong off Hndrxx Chart (2017) Peak position !Canada (Canadian Hot 100) 43 !France (SNEP) 82 UK Singles (OCC) 83 UK Hip Hop/R&B (OCC) 22 !US Billboard Hot 100 48 !US Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs (Billboard) 19
It went platnium: !United States (RIAA) Platinum 1,000,000‡
Hndrxx Hndrxx was supported by four singles: "Selfish", "Pie", "Incredible", and "You da Baddest". The album received positive critical reviews and charted at number one, making Future the first artist to release two Billboard 200 chart topping albums in consecutive weeks. It was included on lists of 2017's best albums by various publications, including Complex, 

Pitchfork, Fact, and Entertainment Weekly.


+Chart performance for Hndrxx !Chart (2017) !Peak position !Australian Albums (ARIA) 53 !Australian Urban Albums (ARIA) 7 !Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria) 58 !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders) 66 !Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia) 199 !Canadian Albums (Billboard) 1 !Czech Albums (ČNS IFPI) 19 !Danish Albums (Hitlisten) 18 !Dutch Albums (Album Top 100) 14 !Finnish Albums (Suomen virallinen lista) 49 !French Albums (SNEP) 45 !German Albums (Offizielle Top 100) 64 !New Zealand Albums (RMNZ) 39 !Norwegian Albums (VG-lista) 16 !Slovak Albums (ČNS IFPI) 31 !Swedish Albums (Sverigetopplistan) 24 !Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade) 30 !UK Albums (OCC) 21 !US Billboard 200 1 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 1
+2017 year-end chart performance for Hndrxx !Chart (2017) !Position !Danish Albums (Hitlisten) 73 !US Billboard 200 37 !US Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums (Billboard) 19 [24][25] [26] 

[27][28][29][30][31][32][33]


High Klassified: Laval as you've never seen it before on Sep 19, 2019 (french) https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/musique/2019-09-19/high-klassified-laval-comme-vous-ne-l-avez-jamais-vu Les Frères Celestin: Two Brothers On Opposite Edges of the Montreal Hip-Hop Spectrum Posted by Julian McKenzie in The Scratch on October 27, 2015 Kayatranda & Louie P https://thelinknewspaper.ca/blogs/entry/les-freres-celestin-the-story-of-two-brothers-on-opposite-edges-of-the-mont

      • Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.


YES
Kaytranada did vocals on Lust (Kendrick Lamar song)
Region Certification Certified units/sales Australia (ARIA)[32] Gold 35,000‡ Canada (Music Canada)[33] Platinum 80,000‡ United States (RIAA)[34] Gold 500,000‡
Kaytranada
KAYTRANADA Title: 10% (FEAT. KALI UCHIS) Certification Date: June 4, 2024 Label: RCA Format: SINGLE
MORE DETAILS Release Date.December 9, 2019 Type: Digital Certified Units: 0.5 Million Genre: DANCE/ELECTRONIC Previous Certification: Gold | June 4, 2024
KAYTRANADA Title: YOU'RE THE ONE (FEAT. SYD) Certification Date: May 15, 2023 Label: XL REOCRDINGS Format: SINGLE
MORE DETAILS Release Date.September 26, 2016 Type: Digital Certified Units: 0.5 Million Genre: DANCE/ELECTRONIC Previous Certification: Gold | May 15, 2023 https://www.riaa.com/gold-%20platinum/?tab_active=default-award&se=kaytranada#search_section
99.9% +Certifications for 99.9% Region Certification Certified units/sales Denmark (IFPI Danmark) Gold 10,000‡ United Kingdom (BPI) Silver 60,000‡
Kaytranada produced tracks on Back of My Mind (H.E.R. album)
+Certifications and sales of Back of My Mind Region Certification Certified units/sales !United States (RIAA) Platinum 1,000,000‡
High Klassified producer: see: Comin Out Strong United States (RIAA) Platinum 1,000,000‡[34] https://feldman-agency.com/artist/zach-zoya
See: Hndrxx Canada (Music Canada) Gold 40,000‡ Denmark (IFPI Danmark) Gold 10,000‡ United Kingdom (BPI) Silver 60,000‡ United States (RIAA) Platinum 1,000,000‡

Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions.
YES.
High Klassified is the winner of the Electronic Music SOCAN Award in 2016 https://www.socanmagazine.ca/features/high-klassified-maintaining-control/ Producer extraordinaire Kaytranada made history at the 63rd Annual Grammy Awards. Kaytra won two awards - Best Best Dance/Electronic Album for Bubba and Best Dance Recording for the Kali Uchis-featured “10%.” 11 Montreal Producers to Keep Your Eyes On https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/best-montreal-producers.html Tony Stone, Rami B and DoomX make up the powerhouse hip-hop trio Planet Giza. The collective has been rapping, sampling and blazing its way through Quebec for years. Their latest album, a dreamy sequence of R&B storytelling called Ready When You Are, was longlisted for the 2023 Polaris Music Prize. The recipients of the Gala Dynastie 2024 Soirée Culture awards: Anglophone Artist or Group of the Year: Planet Giza https://www.galadynastie.com/en-ca/communique-presse/8th-edition-of-gala-dynastie-soiree-cultures-big-winners-crowned International Artist or Musical Group of the Year: Kaytranada https://www.galadynastie.com/en-ca/communique-presse/8th-edition-of-gala-dynastie-soiree-cultures-big-winners-crowned Katranada nominated for Best DJ at 2024 BET Hip Hop Awards Katranada nominated for Best DJ & Best Producer at 2023 BET Hip Hop Awards

      • Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.


YES
Katranada on After Hours til Dawn Tour The After Hours til Dawn Stadium Tour, previously titled The After Hours Tour, is the ongoing seventh concert tour by the Canadian singer-songwriter the Weeknd, in support of his fourth and fifth studio albums, After Hours (2020) and Dawn FM (2022) and his upcoming sixth studio album Hurry Up Tomorrow (2024) for Australian leg. The tour, which primarily visits stadiums, commenced its first leg on July 14, 2022, at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. The tour visited North America, Europe and Latin America between 2022 and 2023, and is set to visit Australia in 2024. TAIT https://www.taittowers.com/work/after-hours-til-dawn-tour
Pitchfork Music Festival Paris 2018 The Pitchfork Music Festival Paris 2018 was held from 1 to 3 November 2018 at the Grande halle de la Villette, Paris, France. It was headlined by Bon Iver, Kaytranada, and Mac DeMarco. https://pitchfork.com/news/pitchfork-paris-2018-reveals-full-lineup-kaytranada-tirzah-and-more-added/
Katranada was special guest at Coachella 2023
Kaytranada was featured on Renaissance World Tour The Renaissance World Tour was the ninth concert tour by American singer and songwriter Beyoncé. Her highest-grossing tour to date, it was staged in support of her seventh studio album, Renaissance (2022). The tour comprised 56 shows, beginning on May 10, 2023, in Stockholm, Sweden, and concluding on October 1, 2023, in Kansas City, Missouri. It was Beyoncé's first tour since the On the Run II Tour in 2018, and was her fourth all-stadium tour.

Planet Giza: Canadian Acts Elisapie, NOBRO, Zoon And More Get Added To SXSW 2024 Rosie Long Decter Dec 07, 2023 https://ca.billboard.com/music/music-news/sxsw-2024-canada
Canadian beatmaker High Klassified to perform in Japan at Nakameguro Solfa https://fnmnl.tv/2019/11/18/85983?amp=1
High Klassified in Bankok Thailand Wetsies Songkran Festival Monday April 2 2018 https://www.timeout.com/bangkok/things-to-do/wetsies-songkran-festival
High Klassified at Moogfest
"Walla P is the founder of the platform Voyage Funktastique - a radio show, monthly party and record label - dedicated to promoting Modern/Boogie Funk. A regular contributor to Music Is My Sanctuary, he has played alongside DâM-FunK, Onra, Peanut Butter Wolf, Kaytranada, Pomo, and participated in festivals such as Piknic Électronik, M pour Montréal, Festival International de Jazz de Montréal, C2 Montréal and POP Montréal, in addition to performing at the Boiler Room. Walla P has taken his records to Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Paris, Brussels, Lyon, Bordeaux, Amsterdam, Berlin, Cologne and Frankfurt. Considered one of the ambassadors of Funk on the world stage, his contagious energy, accompanied by his dance steps, perfectly complement his extremely rare selections with funky flavors. He works closely with brands such as Clarks Originals and Adidas Originals.

Dr,MaD is the co-founder of the platform Voyage Funktastique and one of the original members of the ALAIZ collective, alongside Kaytranada, High Klassified and Da-P. His Hip-Hop productions are tinged with soul, jazz and funk. Alongside his sidekick, he has 2 European tours to his credit, in addition to having accompanied the group Nomadic Massive in Brazil. He is also the founder of Loop Sessions, a monthly gathering for Montreal producers."


    • Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

via Igloofest https://igloofest.ca/fr/artistes/voyage-funktastique
YES
High Klassified signed with Fool's Gold Kaytranada 2014 signing with XL Records RCA, which Kaytranada signed to in 2018
Planet Giza to Fool's Gold

      • Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.
      • This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g., musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)


YES.
Katranada, Planet Giza & High Klassified

    • Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.


YES.

  • Chronicling The Montreal beat scene: meet Senz Beats

Beat chronicles from Montreal: more than just Kaytranada Antonio Sol 23/03/2021

  • Stretto Blaster

https://strettoblaster.com/pieces/senz-beats-montreal-scene-interview/

  • 15 BLACK TRAILBLAZERS SHAPING THE FUTURE OF ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC

(Kaytranada & High Klassified) RACHEL KUPFER FEB 17, 2021 https://edm.com/features/15-dance-music-trailblazers-black-history-month


Ɠɧơʂɬɛɖ (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability is not a question of the things the article says, it's a question of the quality of the sources that the article uses to support the things it says. Primary sourcing self-published by people directly affiliated with the claims doesn't cut it, blogs don't cut it, and sources that briefly mention ALAIZ without being about ALAIZ don't cut it. We need to see coverage about ALAIZ (not about artists who've worked with ALAIZ, but about ALAIZ qua ALAIZ) in reliable sources, which means real, established media, not just any webpage you can find with the word "ALAIZ" in it. Bearcat (talk) 17:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Ditto Ira's evaluation. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE: Not sufficiently notable. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 02:37, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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