Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morris Guggenheim

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted as WP:HOAX. If some other person of this name can be found in the future who satisfies our inclusion rules for something, then a new article can be started about that other person at that time — but no person of this name who fits any of the biographical details that have been claimed in this version can be verified as ever having existed at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Morris Guggenheim

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I found nothing good at all to suggest improvement and the listed source and related articles never mention him. Now what's interesting is the best my searches found was here which seem to be factual in confirming his existence but they're simply passing mentions and of worthy note or notability. As always, I'm inviting @Calamondin12, Ironholds, and ProfReader: for comment as they may be interested by this. SwisterTwister talk 19:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The Google Books sources mentioned above have nothing to do with this supposed Morris Guggenheim.

This reference lists a Morris Guggenheim as treasurer of Yukon Gold Co. as of December 31, 1912, when the article's subject would have been 17, and this reference shows the same individual as treasurer of American Smelters Securities Co. three years later. There are numerous similar corporate references to one or more Morris Guggenheims during the 1900s and 1910s, but nothing that could be linked with the subject of this article.
This reference, and most of the others, relate to a Morris Guggenheim as a party in a 1916 New York lawsuit (Guggenheim v. Guggenheim) involving some individuals within a mining partnership concealing a South American mining venture (the "Chuquicamata Prospect") from other partners. It also states that Morris Guggenheim had died prior to the trial, which clearly rules out this individual as the subject.
A couple of other references ([1] and [2]) are highly technical mining-related documents listing a Morris Guggenheim (possibly the one in the first note above) as an author, but seem totally different from the subject of the article.
A 1977 Internal Revenue Service Arbitration Handbook mentions an individual named Morris Guggenheim as a "management analyst" within the agency, but this again seems unlikely to be the Morris Guggenheim of the article.

More damaging, though, is the amount of known false material within this article or its earlier versions. At one point or another, the subject has been claimed to be a longtime mayor of Charleston, South Carolina, the husband of a member of the British royal family, and a member of the Advisory Committee on Intergovernmental Relations. All of these statements are false. A few details seem to have been taken from current Charleston mayor Joseph P. Riley, Jr., who actually was named to the advisory committee (as mentioned in the "reference" given within the article). The article's creator also added similar dubious information at Guggenheim family, but those edits appear to have been removed. All of these facts point to a likely hoax. Calamondin12 (talk) 23:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 02:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Carolina-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·E·C) 02:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The original version claimed that he had been a mayor of Charleston, South Carolina, but no source indicates that this was ever true. At the same time as creating this article, the same user added him to the list of mayors by replacing an actual, properly verified former mayor's name with Guggenheim's, which has since been reverted there as well. The original version claimed that he was married to a member of the British royal family, but no source provides any evidence that any person of that name has ever been part of the British royal family at all. No source attests to Solomon R. Guggenheim, claimed as his father in this article, ever having had a son of this name. And the only listed reference in the article contains no mention of Guggenheim whatsoever, but instead concerns the appointment of Joseph P. Riley (a former mayor of Charleston who isn't even the former mayor of Charleston whom the creator replaced with Guggenheim in our list) to a presidential committee. I'm speedying this as a WP:HOAX. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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