Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shelley Lenz
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The result was redirect to 2020 North Dakota gubernatorial election. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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Non-notable political candidate – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and North Dakota. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I added more sources reporting on Lenz, both local and national. Atubofsilverware (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sources about the election, rather than the candidate. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really have much to say other than I believe one of the two major candidates in a modern US gubernatorial election is notable. I would like to hear other editors' takes on this. Atubofsilverware (talk) 14:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- We have an established consensus that no, people are not notable just for running as candidates in elections they didn't win. Even at the gubernatorial level, a person still has to either (a) already have some other preexisting notability claim independently of the candidacy, which would already have gotten them into Wikipedia on those grounds regardless of their success or failure in the election (see e.g. Cynthia Nixon), or (b) they can show credible evidence that their candidacy was somehow a special case of significantly greater notability than most other non-winning candidacies, such that people will still be looking for information about her 10 or 20 or 30 years from now (see e.g. Christine O'Donnell). Even at the gubernatorial level, we simply don't accept losing major party candidates as "inherently" notable if they don't also pass one of those two other tests. Bearcat (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Aight, that makes sense. A redirect seems normal then. Atubofsilverware (talk) 17:08, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- We have an established consensus that no, people are not notable just for running as candidates in elections they didn't win. Even at the gubernatorial level, a person still has to either (a) already have some other preexisting notability claim independently of the candidacy, which would already have gotten them into Wikipedia on those grounds regardless of their success or failure in the election (see e.g. Cynthia Nixon), or (b) they can show credible evidence that their candidacy was somehow a special case of significantly greater notability than most other non-winning candidacies, such that people will still be looking for information about her 10 or 20 or 30 years from now (see e.g. Christine O'Donnell). Even at the gubernatorial level, we simply don't accept losing major party candidates as "inherently" notable if they don't also pass one of those two other tests. Bearcat (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't really have much to say other than I believe one of the two major candidates in a modern US gubernatorial election is notable. I would like to hear other editors' takes on this. Atubofsilverware (talk) 14:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sources about the election, rather than the candidate. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- I added more sources reporting on Lenz, both local and national. Atubofsilverware (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Animal and Medicine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 North Dakota gubernatorial election. Failed candidates for political office rarely if ever meet the criteria for notability per WP:NPOL and WP:POLOUTCOMES. Information about the candidate and their campaign can be added to the article about the election they contested. Bkissin (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and/or redirect. People do not get articles just for running as candidates in elections they didn't win — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not just running for one, and the fact that some campaign coverage existed is not in and of itself a WP:GNG-based exemption from NPOL, as every candidate in every election everywhere can always show some evidence of campaign coverage. So the tests she would have to pass are either (a) she also has pre-campaign coverage evincing notability for other reasons besides the candidacy, or (b) she has a credible claim to being a special case of significantly greater notability than most other candidates. Neither of those are in evidence here. Bearcat (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or selectively merge the materials and citations about the campaign into the target article. Running, I’m afraid, is not by itself notable. Bearian (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC) P.S. I took a sentence and two citations from this article, about the debate, and placed it in the target. I was BOLD. Bearian (talk) 02:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Redirect per the comments above. Go4thProsper (talk) 07:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 North Dakota gubernatorial election. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.