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A photo journey in Greece
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A photo journey in Greece

why do crete, north and south greece have differents Churches ?

Asked by Anonymous

I suppose you mean why Crete, the south islands and Northern Greece are under the jurisdiction of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, while central and south mainland Greece are under the Church of Greece.

The answer is because these regions gained independence from the Ottoman Empire at different time periods. The Independence War and the foundation of the Modern Greek state took place in central / south mainland Greece. Due to the war between the Greeks and the Ottoman Empire, the Patriarchate of Constantinople came into severe danger of being shut down as retaliation and because there were a lot of difficulties in managing the faith matters of those who are in a war with the country you are in. At some point there was even some discussion for the Patriarchate to be rescued by being tranferred from Constantinople to the Greek State. Eventually the Greek State however, in order to ensure that the Patriarchate will keep functioning undisturbed in its origin historical place of Constantinople, chose to form an autocephalous church, the Church of Greece.

Northern Greece, Crete and the Dodecanese islands united with Greece several decades later, at the same time the Ottoman Empire was falling, and they found ways to overcome this obstacle with the rising republic of Turkey. As a result, the later liberated lands remained under the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate.

It should be noted that for practical reasons the Church of Greece runs the matters of northern Greece, Crete and the other southern islands as well, with the full agreement of the Patriarchate, despite nominally belonging to the jurisdiction of the latter.

In short the Church of Greece does not have any theological differences from the Ecumenical Patriarchate, neither does it have ambitions of its own and it would not have been formed, if not to rescue the Patriarchate. However, now it runs most of the matters because due to the still strained relations of the two countries it is preferred for the Greek religious matters to not be managed from Turkish land.

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How to make an anti-Greek propagandist’s brain short-circuit (don’t ask why, they know why):

Read them Mattheos Myreon’s works (1550-1624)

Αλλοίμονον, αλλοίμονον ‘ς το γένος των Ρωμαίων.
Ώ, πώς εκαταστάθηκε το γένος των Ελλήνων.
Σ΄ εμάς, εις όλους τους Γραικούς να έλθη τουτ΄ τήν ώ
ρα

Woe, woe to the nation of the Romans.
Oh, how did the nation of the Hellenes come to this state.
To us, all of us the Greeks, to come at this hour…
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Mattheos Myreon, (1550 - 1624)

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Climate anon here ! I must say i find it baffling that you said +30C⁰ was a normal and that you could live life normally in the mid 30s when in my country every time we reach this temperatures life stop completly lol

What do people wear when it is this hot ? One on side i would imagine that with clothings exposing your skin you would roast but with longer clothes you would boil in your clothes.

Any advice on what to wear if i went to greece during a hot times ?

Asked by Anonymous

Haha well of course it’s different placements on the planet therefore different norms! If Greece (or the Mediterranean in general) did not reach mid 30s in the summer then something really scary would be going on with Earth.

You said your country has at some points reached mid 30s (extreme heatwaves, I assume) so it wouldn’t be different from what you would be wearing in your country during these days. A tank top, a t-shirt, shorts etc

All you need to not get roasted is to apply 50 SPF sunscreen and wear sunglasses, maybe a hat as well. If you do all that, there’s no concern whatsoever. I am pale skinned and yet I have only had a considerable sunburn once and a minor sunstroke also once in my entire life and both were because I was way way too careless. Now, if you are the transparent-y type of northern fair skinned, then ideally don’t go out from 12 PM to 5 PM or at least stay in the shade during these hours.

But tbh you sound like you should probably not come during hot times in Greece. Maybe better from October till April? You can still swim in the beaches in October (the rest of the months the water will be too cold). Then again I also don’t think you should be so concerned about this, I mean Greece gets most tourists in the hottest months and they come from all places so… But everybody’s body is different so perhaps you should weigh whether it is more worth coming during the deep heat or better at another time.

If you *must* come in hot times though, then definitely opt for May, June or September instead of July or August.

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how did you used to manage the heat ? As someone from a cold country i cannot fathom how on earth you could live at +30C⁰. Now that you have fan, AC, and that wearing light and revealing clothings is accepted i unerstand how you could survive, but what about before you had them and your traditional clothings seems very heavy for the climate ?

Asked by Anonymous

People in different parts of the wolrd adapt to different conditions. I mean, fashion in the Middle East and North Africa is all you have to look at. I am a little amused by the 30 degrees example so I must say it :

+30C⁰ is a pretty cool, a very pleasant, a great summer day.

Greece’s temperature range with its record high and low is: +48 C⁰ to - 30 C⁰ . The personal range I have experienced in Greece is a +44 C⁰ (I think) to a - 7 C⁰. I remember both days vividly. In the extreme hot day I remember going to the sink, turning the cold water tap on and unceremoniously dipping my entire head under the running water. In the extreme cold day I had to walk outside, my forehead had frozen and was achy and I couldn’t make facial expressions.

As a person that has lived their entire life in Greece, I would choose to go out at +30 degrees a ten times over anything below + 10 (which is a common winter daytime temperature). At +30 you can stay outside indefinitely, lie at a beach or a park, walk, spend hours lounging in a coffee shop, dress stylishly without thinking about it (except applying sunscreen in daytime). Below + 10 might be a pretty manageable winter temperature but you still have to wrap like an onion and staying outside indefinitely is unpleasant. Your skin might dry and your nose might start running. You’ll have to find a place indoors soon. You can’t be like “oh it’s 7C⁰, let’s spend the whole day out or stay out after midnight (standard practice in Greece, I don’t mean clubbing, I mean OUT) or go to the sea or do a daytrip on a mountain without equipment or go to an open air coffee shop (as most coffee shops in Greece are) without worrying whether they have heaters or the wind won’t blow the wrong way”. +30 gives endless opportunities, in short XD

The real shit of the heat starts over + 37, which is a lot of the summer days in Greece anyway. The +44 was indeed more unpleasant than the - 7 but both sucked big time. I could not imagine living somewhere where going outside at - 7 and being expected to do stuff in this temperature is a norm. Anyway, that’s just to show how people adapt in different places.

As for how people pulled through with their historical clothes, I wonder this too because these clothes always seem to me too heavy for summer but also too light for winter, basically this applies for all the folk clothes of the temperate countries. In any case, they used different fabrics for different seasons. The different fabrics used were wool (winter), cotton (spring and autumn) and linen (summer). The rich people and the rest in special occasions also used silk, which was good for the summer as well. Furthermore, the full attire that you see in the images is usually the standard spring / autumn version. In the summer, they removed some of the garments, like the sleeved jackets. They would replace them with waistcoats or nothing at all, going around in the shirt only. In the heavy winter, they added more garments than the ones you usually see in the pictures.

The certain thing is that they must have always felt a little too hot or too cold but people back then weren’t as dependent on their comfort as we are nowadays.

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what is the involvement and faults of germany towards greece's economic crisis ? I've seen many people bringing the fact that germany has a large part to play in the state of the actual greek economy bc they never paid reparation to greece after lootings and killing greeks

Asked by Anonymous

Germany has primarily moral and to some degree financial responsibility. People believing however that Greece’s debt would not exist or it would be in a significantly better state if Germany had paid the reparations are delusional.

The moral issue however still stands. Germany never paid for the extreme devastation it caused to Greece, from which the country’s recovery has been very lengthy and poorly managed, although it did pay other countries.

The Axis Occupation in Greece caused:

  • The death of an estimated 7 - 11 % of the Greek population, due to the Great Famine, conflicts and executions
  • The death of the 87% of the Greek Jewish population
  • The burning of one fourth of the villages in the country
  • More than 100,000 buildings utterly destroyed
  • The devastation of 80% of the industry, 28% of the infrastructure (ports, roads and railways), 90% of the country’s bridges
  • The burning of 25% of the country’s forests and other natural resources
  • The compulsory loan of 1942 to Nazi Germany, that’s right, Greece was forced to lend money to Germany (!), the great majority of which was never repaid!
  • Deportation and immigration of 700,000 Greeks
  • the looting of antiquities
  • Indirectly led to the Greek civil war afterwards

* It should be noted that Greece was not occupied by Germany only but it was a simultaneous occupation by Germany, Italy and Bulgaria.

So, the finger wavering and the unprecedented worldwide slander and defamation Greeks were subjected to during the financial crisis were a bit much because they were coming from the German government and media first and foremost.

Turning a blind eye to its own shortcomings, Germany took it upon itself to “save” Greek economy by enforcing extreme austerity measures to the Greek public, which made the famous Greek lifestyle and the very high standard of living plummet to an unrecognisable sad day-to-day survival for the working and the low financial class. Young Greeks born into the crisis or a little prior have never experienced the old life quality, which the rest of us even slightly older reminiνsce constantly. The then German Minister of Finance, Wolfgang Schäuble, the main instigator of the austerity measures, hardly hid his obvious distaste for the Greeks.

Now, to those who know the basics of contemporary economic studies, it is known that when a country is in an extreme financial recession, austerity measures is the LAST strategy you should follow because it OBLITERATES the productive capacity of the country and therefore the country DOES NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING in order to create value, then sell it and get any money to eventually pay its debts!!!!

As a result, with Germany’s archaic financial strategy it is suspected that Greece’s recovery from the crisis has been hindered and delayed way more that it would have been otherwise.

PS. Wolfgang Schäuble has now passed away. His open distaste for the Greeks and their corruption encouraged the media to drag Greece through the mud. The irony is that it has been since revealed that Schäuble was involved in cases of corruption in Germany himself.

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artifacts-and-arthropods:

1,700-Year-Old Writing Kit from Georgia (South Caucasus): this writing kit was found in an unmarked grave located in the foundations of a cathedral, where it lay buried next to the body of a 40-50 year old woman; it’s decorated with images of the Greek muses

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The unmarked tomb was discovered at Svetitskhoveli Cathedral, which is located in the city of Mtskheta, in modern-day Georgia. The burial site dates back to about 250-350 CE, when Mtskheta served as the capital of Kartli (also known as the Kingdom of Iberia), which covered most of what is now Eastern Georgia.

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The tomb lay undiscovered for more than 1,600 years, as it was tucked into the foundations of the cathedral; it contained the body of an unidentified woman in her 40s or 50s, along with an assortment of jewelry and a gilded writing set, which had been placed by the woman’s waist. Her identity is still a mystery, but the contents of her tomb suggest that she was a member of royalty and/or nobility.

The writing set contains several different components, including a gilded pen case with the Greek muses depicted across the back, a silver frame depicting three historical figures, an openwork cover made of gold, a gold ink pot, three silver pens, and a small “pencil-box” made of silver.

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All nine of the Greek muses are depicted on the pen case. The figures are divided into three rows; each muse is identified by name, and each is depicted with its own unique attributes/objects.

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Above: the top row of the pen case is decorated with gilded images of Clio, Euterpe, and Thalia

The three figures in the top row are identified as Clio, Euterpe, and Thalia, which are the muses of history, lyric poetry, and comedy, respectively. Clio is shown holding a slate pencil in her right hand and a book in her left, while Euterpe is depicted with a trumpet and a wind instrument, and Thalia carries a comic mask and ploughshare.

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Above: Melpomene, Terpsichore, and Erato

The figures in the second row are identified as Melpomene, Terpsichore, and Erato, who are the muses of tragedy, dance, and romantic poetry. Melpomene carries a tragedy mask, Terpsichore has a lyre in her left hand and a plectrum in her right, and Erato is depicted with a flanged lyre.

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Above: Polyhymnia, Urania, and Calliope

The figures in the third row represent Polyhymnia, Urania, and Calliope. Polyhymnia is the muse of song, sacred dance, and mime, and she is depicted with a scroll in one hand and a mask in the other. Urania is the muse of astronomy, so she carries a pointed slate pencil in her right hand and a globe in her left. Calliope is the muse of epic poetry, and she’s depicted with a scroll.

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Above: the writing kit also includes this silver frame, which features three more figures that are identified as Menander, Homer, and Demosthenes

A small silver frame attaches to the front side of the pen case. That frame is decorated with portraits of Menander, Homer, and Demosthenes, who are identified by the Greek inscriptions above each figure (“MENAN[ΔΡΟΣ], OMEROC, ΔHMOCΘENHC”), though the inscription of Menander’s name is partially damaged.

The frame fits neatly around a small ink-pot, which is then fixed to the front of the pen case, along with an openwork cover made of gold.

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Above: the openwork cover was crafted from a sheet of gold, and it features an elaborate laurel motif along with a Greek inscription

The cover includes a two-line Greek inscription (“BACIΛEΩC OΥCTAMOΥ TOΥ KAI EΥΓENIOΥ”) that can be translated as “king Oustamos-Eugenios” or “kings Oustamos and Eugenios.” There is no written record of any king(s) by that name in Kartli, nor in any other part of Georgia, but the written history for this period is sparse, and the names of many Georgian rulers have been lost.

The writing set also includes three silver pens and a “pencil box” made from a pair of silver sheets. One of the silver sheets has a corrugated design that holds the pens in place.

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Above: three pens and a silver “pencil-box” are shown on the right, while the openwork cover, frame, ink-pot, and pen case are shown on the left; the “pencil-box” is supposed to slide between the pen case and the other components

The artifacts from this unmarked tomb (along with the ink pots and styli that have been found at other sites nearby) suggest that there was a high level of literacy among the elites of Mtskheta during this period. The burial also contains several artifacts that were likely crafted in foreign workshops, reflecting the significant trade relationships and cultural exchanges that existed between Kartli and the peoples of Colchis, Greece, Rome, Iran, Armenia, Scythia, and the Levant.

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