Remove Javascript 101 section #622

arthurvr · 2015-01-21T17:22:55Z

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Remove the whole Javascript 101 section. (See reasoning in Replace JavaScript 101 Section with MDN information using Kuma API #257)
- In the future my suggestion would be to bring the section back, to include real tutorials. Currently it's a little to reference-like, and there are enough good reference sites regarding Javascript.
Replaced all links to Javascript 101 articles in other articles with other good resources. Not limited to MDN tho.
Adds a note on top of about-jquery.md to express it's important to know at least a little of 'raw' JavaScript.
- Are there other places this should be expressed?
- In there I linked up the JavaScript Basics articles on MDN, to point people in the right direction. First I was planning to link up more than one resource, but MDN has it all.
This would resolve basically every issue with the js-basics label + Replace JavaScript 101 Section with MDN information using Kuma API #257 itself.

danheberden · 2015-01-21T18:01:10Z

page/about-jquery.md

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 }</script>

 Getting started with jQuery can be easy or challenging, depending on your experience with JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and programming concepts in general. In addition to these articles, you can read about the [history of jQuery](https://jquery.org/history/) and the [licensing terms](https://jquery.org/license/) that apply to jQuery projects. You can also [make a donation](https://jquery.org/donate/) to help the [jQuery team](https://jquery.org/team/) continue to improve jQuery.
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+One important thing to know is that jQuery is just a __JavaScript library__. All the power of jQuery is accessed via JavaScript, so needless to say, it's an important language to learn. Having a basic knowledge of JavaScript will go a long way in understanding, structuring, and debugging your code. If you're new to JavaScript we recommend to check out [the JavaScript basics tutorial on MDN](https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Learn/Getting_started_with_the_web/JavaScript_basics).


Since "MDN" is a new initialism to folks, I'd recommend expanding it to "Mozilla Developer Network". I think the "All the power...language to learn" sentence is superfluous, but i'll defer to the actual content writers on that one.

Good point @danheberden. Updating PR right now.

dmethvin · 2015-01-21T19:24:37Z

page/about-jquery.md

@@ -10,3 +10,5 @@
 }</script>

 Getting started with jQuery can be easy or challenging, depending on your experience with JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and programming concepts in general. In addition to these articles, you can read about the [history of jQuery](https://jquery.org/history/) and the [licensing terms](https://jquery.org/license/) that apply to jQuery projects. You can also [make a donation](https://jquery.org/donate/) to help the [jQuery team](https://jquery.org/team/) continue to improve jQuery.
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+One important thing to know is that jQuery is just a __JavaScript library__. All the power of jQuery is accessed via JavaScript, so needless to say, it's an important language to learn. Having a basic knowledge of JavaScript will go a long way in understanding, structuring, and debugging your code. If you're new to JavaScript we recommend to check out the [JavaScript basics tutorial](https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Learn/Getting_started_with_the_web/JavaScript_basics) on the Mozilla Developer Network (MDN).


Perhaps link to https://www.khanacademy.org/computing/computer-programming as well?

I do agree that Khan is a super resource, but the thing is that there are that many good resources over on the internet. Isn't it better for beginners to just start reading one good thing?

I'm good with it either way. Maybe you're right, if we pick one people won't be inclined to pile on a bunch of PRs to add to a big list.

Right. Than we could as well add this hole list :)

I think "important language to learn" kind of understates the importance. People constantly complain that jQuery is "the reason people don't really know JavaScript - this paragraph should be the thing where we state that we actually do feel like some command of JS is essentially a "prerequisite" for being effective with jQuery.

How about replacing this:

so needless to say, it's an important language to learn. Having a basic knowledge of JavaScript will go a long way

with this:

so strong knowledge of JavaScript is important in

I like @dmethvin's change. Here is what the paragraph would look like (with a couple minor tweaks added from me):

One important thing to know is that jQuery is just a JavaScript library. All the power of jQuery is accessed via JavaScript, so having a strong grasp of JavaScript is essential for understanding, structuring, and debugging your code. If you're new to JavaScript, we recommend checking out the JavaScript basics tutorial on the Mozilla Developer Network (MDN).

This whole line was taken from javascript-101.md, but I agree the version above is better. Updated PR to @kswedberg's version.

dmethvin · 2015-01-21T19:24:50Z

LGTM

arthurvr · 2015-01-22T16:59:06Z

@ajpiano Other than that sentence, you like this solution/PR? I'm just interested in hearing your thoughts.

ajpiano · 2015-01-23T14:39:47Z

I think we don't necessarily have to kill this section but I understand why we're doing it so 👍 . I think we could stand to bikeshed that language a little longer but in a separate pass, perhaps. OTOH, what do you think of adding a sentence like this...

"All the power of jQuery is accessed via JavaScript, so having a strong grasp of JavaScript is essential for understanding, structuring, and debugging your code. While working with jQuery regularly can, over time, improve your proficiency with JavaScript, it can be hard to get started writing jQuery without a working knowledge of the JavaScript's built-in constructs and syntax. Therefore, If you're new to JavaScript, we recommend checking out the JavaScript basics tutorial on the Mozilla Developer Network (MDN)."

kswedberg · 2015-01-24T04:14:36Z

I think @ajpiano's version is better, except "knowledge of the JavaScript's…" should be "knowledge of JavaScript's…"

arthurvr · 2015-01-24T08:21:01Z

OTOH, what do you think of adding a sentence like this...

I think @ajpiano's version is better, except "knowledge of the JavaScript's…" should be "knowledge of JavaScript's…"

I just updated the PR.

arthurvr · 2015-01-24T09:22:58Z

Well then I think we're ready to merge this one. I'll do it this evening if nobody disagrees.

Fixes gh-257 Fixes gh-20 Fixes gh-58 Fixes gh-70 Fixes gh-375 Fixes gh-565 Fixes gh-615 Closes gh-622

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