The stalemate between Pete Alonso and the Mets is over. New York is reportedly in agreement on a two-year, $54MM deal with the star first baseman. Alonso, a client of the Boras Corporation, can opt out after the upcoming season. He receives a $10MM signing bonus and a $20MM salary for 2025. He’ll essentially have a $24MM player option for the ’26 campaign. The deal comes with a $27MM average annual value for luxury tax purposes. Alonso chose the two-year deal over a separate offer from the Mets that would have guaranteed $71MM over three seasons.
Alonso, who turned 30 in December, returns to Queens for a seventh season. He has been one of the faces of the franchise since his electrifying debut. Alonso led the majors with 53 home runs en route to a runaway Rookie of the Year win in 2019. That still stands as the all-time rookie home run record. He connected on 16 longballs in the shortened follow-up season and has topped 30 homers in each of the last four years.
That’s a testament not only to his massive power but to his exceptional availability. Alonso has played at least 152 games in each of his five full seasons. He appeared in all 162 contests last year. His only career injured list stint was a minimal stay in 2023 related to a bone bruise in his left wrist. Over the last six seasons, only Marcus Semien has played in more games. Semien and Freddie Freeman are the only hitters with more plate appearances.
On a rate basis, Alonso’s production has dropped in consecutive seasons. He carried a .261/.349/.535 batting line through his first four seasons. Alonso hit another 46 homers in 2023, though he did so with career-low marks in batting average (.217) and on-base percentage (.318). His average and OBP rebounded slightly last season, but his power ticked down. Alonso hit .240 with a .329 OBP and a career-low .459 slugging percentage across 695 plate appearances. His 34 homers and 88 runs batted in were each personal worsts over a full schedule.
It was a pedestrian year rather than a bad one. There’s clear value in a player who hits 34 home runs in a relative down season. Still, it was the second straight year in which Alonso’s offensive production was below his early-career level. He’s a .229/.324/.480 hitter since the start of the ’23 campaign. That checks in 21 percentage points better than league average, as measured by wRC+.
By that statistic, Alonso ranks ninth in overall offense among the 35 first basemen with at least 750 plate appearances over the past two seasons. He’s just behind Cody Bellinger and Josh Naylor and narrowly ahead of LaMonte Wade Jr., Luis Arraez and Christian Walker. Alonso’s durability and power gives him a higher offensive ceiling than the rest of that group. Nevertheless, his recent rate metrics have put him alongside those hitters and a clear step down from Freddie Freeman, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Bryce Harper at the top of the position.
Alonso’s on-field value lies in the bat and his durability. He doesn’t provide baserunning value. His defensive grades at first base are middling. Defensive Runs Saved put him at three runs below par last season and has given him a +2 mark for his career. Statcast had him six runs below average in 2024 and grades him at 18 runs under par overall. FanGraphs and Baseball Reference have both valued Alonso around 2-3 wins above replacement in each of the last two seasons.
Of course, Alonso’s value to the Mets extends beyond that production. He’s a homegrown star who is already third on the organization’s home run leaderboard. He is 16 homers shy of David Wright for second place and only needs 27 longballs to surpass Darryl Strawberry for the franchise record. He’ll almost certainly break that record, likely next season.
Alonso was also a key contributor during New York’s run to last year’s NL Championship Series. He saved the season in the Wild Card series with his three-run shot off Devin Williams in the ninth inning of Game 3. That was one of four longballs he hit in October. Alonso slashed .273/.431/.568 across 58 postseason plate appearances. Modern front offices are generally wary about putting much stock in small-sample playoff numbers, though, and Alonso’s unexceptional regular season worked against him in free agency.
The four-time All-Star hit the market envisioning a strong nine-figure deal. His camp presumably sought something in the range of the Matt Olson and Freeman contracts. Olson inked an eight-year, $168MM extension with the Braves; Freeman signed a six-year, $162MM guarantee with the Dodgers, though deferrals dropped the net present value closer to $148MM.
At one point, the Mets valued Alonso similarly. Joel Sherman of the New York Post has reported that Alonso declined a seven-year, $158MM extension offer in June 2023. That would have bought out his final arbitration season and six free agent years. Alonso made $20.5MM in his last arbitration year, so he’d need to beat $137.5MM over the next six seasons to come out ahead in that decision.
Circumstances have changed significantly since the Mets made that offer. Alonso has switched his representation to the Boras Corporation. The Mets moved on from then-GM Billy Eppler and installed David Stearns at the top of baseball operations. The Brewers rarely invested heavily in first basemen, even via arbitration, during Stearns’ tenure as Milwaukee’s general manager. He’s operating with a much different payroll ceiling under Steve Cohen’s ownership, but this generally hasn’t been his preferred player archetype.
While Stearns and Cohen maintained that they wanted Alonso back, they didn’t want to do so on a long-term deal. They made the obvious decision to put forth a qualifying offer, which the slugger easily rejected. It seems they held off on going beyond three years. As his free agency dragged, Alonso moved off his desire for a long-term deal in talks with the Mets. His camp reportedly pitched a three-year term with multiple opt-out chances. Financial specifics aren’t clear, but the Mets countered with a three-year proposal in the $68-70MM range in the middle of January. After Alonso declined, the Mets signaled they were willing to move on to contingencies.
Whether the Mets actually believed Alonso would walk or were merely signaling that as negotiating leverage, they must come away pleased with the result. The Mets reportedly had two different offers on the table: a three-year, $71MM proposal or the two-year deal which he ultimately accepted. Will Sammon of The Athletic reports that the three-year term also included an opt-out after the first season and would have broken down as a $27MM salary in year one followed by $22MM salaries if he didn’t opt out. Alonso preferred the extra $3MM in the first season, betting on himself to play well enough to take the out clause next winter.
The Mets keep the term short and retain Alonso on a deal that more closely resembles the two-year contracts signed by Rhys Hoskins ($34MM with Milwaukee) and Joc Pederson ($37MM with Texas) than the Olson or Freeman precedents. It’s an ideal cap to a dangerous lineup. The Mets won the Juan Soto bidding on the record-shattering $765MM deal as the Winter Meetings were getting underway. New York brought back Jesse Winker to serve as their designated hitter, at least against right-handed pitching. That’ll keep Mark Vientos at third base for another season. Francisco Lindor, Brandon Nimmo and Francisco Alvarez are key holdovers, with Jeff McNeil and one of Tyrone Taylor or Jose Siri rounding out the projected starting nine.
Keeping Vientos at third base blocks the clearest path to playing time for younger infielders Brett Baty, Luisangel Acuña and Ronny Mauricio. The latter two could push McNeil for reps at second base. They all have a minor league option remaining, so the Mets could keep all three at Triple-A Syracuse. They don’t need to make a trade — there’s a good chance Alonso will retest free agency next winter — but it’s possible the surplus makes them more willing to include an upper-level infielder in a package for a top-end starter. New York has built strong rotation depth but arguably needs to increase the rotation’s ceiling to pull ahead of the Phillies and Braves in what’ll be a tough NL East race.
The deal pushes the Mets’ projected payroll to roughly $331MM, according to the RosterResource calculations. The $27MM luxury tax hit brings them to $325MM in CBT obligations. That pushes them firmly beyond the $301MM threshold that marks the final tier of penalization. They’re taxed at a 90% clip for the approximate $3MM to push them to that threshold and at a 110% rate on spending beyond that point. The signing comes with approximately $29.1MM in taxes. They’ll pay around $59MM this season to keep Alonso. New York also relinquishes the right to the compensatory draft choice that they would have received had he signed elsewhere after declining the qualifying offer. That pick would have come after the fourth round.
Alonso secures a strong one-year salary with an eye towards a more lucrative free agent trip next winter. Players cannot receive a QO more than once in their career, so he’d hit the market without draft compensation if he opts out. He’d still come out ahead of that declined extension offer if he secures a deal worth more than $107.5MM over the ensuing five seasons. That’s by no means a guarantee, as he’ll be working against the aging curve, but it’s the kind of risk-reward play that a lot of free agents take if they don’t find their ideal long-term deal on their first free agent try.
Andy Martino of SNY first reported that the Mets were re-signing Alonso. Jeff Passan of ESPN had the two-year, $54MM guarantee and the $30MM in year one. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the signing bonus and that Alonso declined a three-year term, which USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reported had a $71MM guarantee. Image courtesy of Imagn.
Albatross in 3, 2, 1…
A two year deal for a slugging 1B guaranteed for 30+ is an albatross? I’ll take that
Albatross sounds like a compliment if you think this contract is bad
No albatross. More like.
Should have taken the $ Pete!!!!!
Previous agent 158m or whatever it was.
Boras lol
Alonso fired that agent. All on Alonso.
Boras has secured 1.7 billion dollars for his players this season alone. lol Boras indeed.
Boras secured nothing.
As if his clients wouldn’t get paid with or without him. Give me break.
Interesting. So the whole agent thing is a big scam. Idiot
No, agents do a lot more than just secure contracts. But yes, Boras is somewhat of a scammer. As if Soto wouldn’t have gotten paid without him.
Keep thinking you know everything.
You can hurl insults but you can’t back up your claims.
Not a bad deal for both sides. Prove you are not regressing and we can negotiate after the season.
With that 2nd year option at $24M – and NO QO attached – it should be an easy decision to for him next year.
In the meantime, he gets a higher AAV for 2025 and a nice insurance policy in case his season goes south this year.
I think it’s the right deal for both sides – and he’ll be where he really belongs – for at least one more campaign.
I’m not sure if I’ll earn $30 million in my lifetime……..
Uh… You won’t. No offense
Should have hit the batting cages more often friend
Obviously he wished he’d taken the Mets long term offer now but given his market I currently I like this deal for both sides. 24 was a down year for him but not like he fell off a cliff. He gets 30m this year and if he rebounds everyone wins. Adding Soto to the lineup should help him too. Everyone loves to harp on Boras every time a client falls short of projections but he’s the best at what he does by far. Alonso simply had a bit of a down year and he plays the least valuable defensive position. His market was just a reflection of that. 30m for 25 with an opt out is good money and leaves his fate in his own hands with 24m worth of insurance for 26 if he doesn’t rebound the way he expects. If he turns it around I could easily see a contract like the one the Cardinals gave Goldschmidt 5y 125m maybe a touch more.
Another great job (SARCASM), by Scott Bora$$….. when are these players going to learn unless you are the Juan Soto’s of the world going with Bora$$ is not helping you,,, its actually limiting you.
snell made out like a bandit
WTF are you talking about? He had more significant offers but wanted to stay with the Mets. That’s not on Boras.
He didn’t have more significant offers.
Boras messed up.
This is a clear win for the Mutts. Keep him short term, but no long term risk at all. As a Phils fan it is disappointing but the fanbase up there should be excited.
There are no bad one year deals, and if he craters and exercises his opt-in, it is still nothing to Cohen. They can still go after Vlad.
@carver
IMO this is a clear win for every team that didn’t sign him.
@Dogbone, That feels like blind hate, Alonso is an excellent bat, even his worst year last season was above average. He makes a team better and it is short term.
Have to change my screen name now to Alonso sucks.
Maybe I will get lucky and he will hit the IL for 2 years
Owners once again don’t listen to fans
@Cano What is it with all the Alonso hate? Guy has been a great bat for 6 seasons and has some classic postseason moments he also gels in NY, why would you wish injury on him? It is a short term high upside deal.
The fans wanted Alonso back.
womp womp
Don’t think so chief
It’s a two-year deal with an opt-out. Hardly an albatross. If you really dig into the numbers, Pete made good swing decisions (93rd percentile SEAGER), his maxEV was in line with previous years, etc. etc. He was a little too passive, but he also got pitched insanely tough—the slider heat map he faced looks like prime deGrom—and he needs to hit the ball in the air more, and pull the ball more, even if that causes more swing-and-miss early in counts. Maybe the ground balls and pull rate are a function of age, but he only just turned 30, so it’s hard to believe he’s cooked, when the underlying metrics generally look fine.
@idli. I’m sure he was joking just like my comment. Someone will surely call it a overpay or albatross.
for me he is overpay
He is an overpay and an albatross. Dig into his past numbers as well as situational hitting and you will get a picture painted. His best years are behind him. At least it is only 1 or 2 years. Hope is he opts out and we sign Guerrero next offseason.
Not sure what has had to do with the Angels being a terrible franchise…
Pete Rose: Who said anything about the Angels?
Fair pay. They didn’t want him long term and it cost $ to get low years.
They signed Soto to sell tickets. Now Pete coming back on top is a bit more exciting. Soto did most the work but Pete helps. Helps win games too and making playoffs and going far as you can is huge.
Is it 40 million guaranteed this year with a 24 million option next year. Because it’s not adding up 54 million guaranteed and he’s making 30 million with a 10 million signing bonus. Has to be a typo.
30 yr1 24 yr2 signing bonus part of 30. How I read it.
x.com/JeffPassan/status/1887335077681431033
He will make $30 million this season.
@yourdreamgm. It says 54 guaranteed. Probably correct it’s just a typo, but it’s a mess.
I Agree. The numbers don’t add up! + – ÷ × =
Lyle Overpay
10M signing bonus!!
20M salary for year 1!!
or he can opt out after year 1 and leave, if he stays he 24M for year 2.
@davidrocholl. They updated it. I was thinking it was 40 million for the first year with the bonus added. Plus i don’t get why they said guaranteed it’s not football
30M includes the 10M signing bonus.
@IATLKOA(FST)
Creative name…I have no idea what it means.
@kayrall. The Japanese dodgers signed another one
That didn’t age well…
We used to have a better class of troll around here.
I don’t think you know what that word means.
An “albatross” contract is inherently long. There’s no such thing as a 2 year long albatross contract.
Did it just say “more to come” when you made the comment?
Yep
Tell us you don’t understand what an albatross is without telling us you don’t understand what an albatross is.
2 years?
@Kayrall Yes indeed. It’s almost infinitely stupid—ergo it was pushed through by Cohen. This is not a move Stearns would ever have made, left to his own devices. Wait for word of friction between Stearns and Cohen over the next weeks.
—–You don’t give opt-outs to borderline players in steep decline (2.1 fWAR in 2024), especially not at an expensive AAV.
—–You don’t block the avenue for the young players in your organization who are likeliest _in 2025_ to establish themselves as decent MLB regulars if blocking that avenue (3B) is not even an improvement.
Even if Alonso hits his unlikely 80th percentile projection and all of Acuna-Mauricio-Baty at 3B hit their worst 20th percentile projection, Alonso adds all of a single win to the Mets 2025 team projection, and for $30 million, making this ridiculous on its face.
—–Who actually thinks adding Alonso represents an improvement greater than what the Mets would have gotten by adding Jack Flaherty & Tanner Scott for less than the AAV of Alonso & Frankie Montas? It’s the sheer ineptitude of this ad hoc approach to building the 2025 team that makes it hugely unlikely this was Stearns’ idea. Who REALLY thinks that if the 2025 payroll all offseason had included this additional $30 million, that Stearns would have waited until February to put it to use and instead settled for the rotation the Mets appear ready to go into the season with?
Whatever you think of his strengths and weaknesses, Stearns is the GM who cut 29 year old Chris Carter the offseason after Carter hit 41 HRs for the Brewers, leading the NL in home runs—and he cut Carter even though Carter’s arb award for the upcoming season was a puny $8.1m. But now he somehow decided to bring Alonso back at $30m, then $24m more in the likely event Alonso continues to decline in 2025?
—–Even at this late date, how is this anywhere near the smartest expenditure of a $30m addition to 2025 payroll?
This is pitiful. Or repugnant. Or both. This is so little different from previous offseasons where Cohen played GM it’s difficult to tell where 2021-2023 leave off and 2025 begins. Stearns had the luxury of not having Cohen looking over his shoulder in the 2023-2024 offseason because the Mets weren’t expected to do anything while Stearns cleaned up Cohen’s messes.
But after the combination of above average GM’ing and extreme good luck got the Mets all the way to the NLCS, expectations are high, and Cohen’s back in the kitchen, poking his fingers into the Grilled Shrimp Scampi and Chocolate Raspberry Tortes. Ugh.
How about we split that up over a couple posts, eh?
Glad Jack has me muted so I don’t have to read and reply to that.
I wasn’t about to read that nonsensical dribble.
He needs to go write his term paper instead of posting here.
*drivel (dum speel Czech)
YDGM,
Jack likely muted you for good reason. Your comments usually give me more time to just overlook.
You and Jack desperately need to learn from my superior knowledge.
@ Jack
Scott was never coming to the Mets, he wanted to close and who would pick Mets over Dodgers and that’s coming from a Mets fan. Your post is just fantasy land. It’s not your money who cares and there is literally no friction between the 2. Both are lifelong Mets fans that just came within 2 games of the WS. Hush up and go to bed with that giant thumb up your ahh.
My God, you’re awfully harsh to the man who saved Metdom from the Continued Curse of the Wilpons. While I see your point about the tortes, it’s still Cohen’s money to spend. (Btw, just like Rome, the Dodgers were not built in a day,)
An underlying point you may have missed is that no one knows if Vientos can play first OR if he can hit .240 with 35 HR while learning a new position. Or if he can come close to repeating 2024. Acuna-Baty-Mauricio remain a grab bag of maybe, although I think Acuna should be bundled up and shipped to SD for Cease myself. His value will never be higher than it is now.
@fred… Vientos has played a combination of 1b and 3b each year going back to 2019 and has even played left field ’21-23 in the minors. So it won’t be a new position..
Ooofah. Like a gen ed lecture that never stops.
@jackstrawb – Stearns did that with Rhys Hoskins no? Albeit less money, but they’re similar players. Pete is better, but same archetype
Seems like to me this is a good deal for the Mets.
At this point, I was thinking two years at $30 million with an opt-out. Alonso got a little less than that.
Once the Astros, Yankees and Snakes filled their slots, Alonso didn’t have much leverage. There are plenty of teams like the Giants that – were it not for losing the QO draft pick – might have considered a one year deal at $30 million or maybe even $35 million, but that draft pick makes a one year deal tough to swallow.
While the Mets “won” this negotiation, I just don’t get the people who pile on Alonso here. Why does it make folks happy that he gambled on himself and lost? He still is going to be plenty wealthy for life. Even after two years, Alonso may be able to get another two year deal at $15 million per year. I give him credit for seeing the writing on the wall. When you have lost $100 playing poker, sometimes you have to stop before you lose another $100.
Around Thanksgiving, I predicted three years at $90 million with opt-outs after years one and two. So, he still gets the same pay for year one and the opt-out after year one. If he has a good year, he did ok. The only difference is if he further regresses, he gets $6 million less in year two and goes to free agency for that third year. You can’t dwell on what was offered a long time ago if you’re him.
Teoscar at got three years and $66 million
Santander got five years and $92 million
Alonso gets two years at $54 million with an opt-out
Everyone of these deals seems right for the market
You are incorrect in every way
It’s coming from the same people who called Soto an idiot for rejecting the Nats’ $440M years ago. Then they moved on to Snell and Chapman and Vladdy who said no to $340M. And it’s Alonso this year. And someone else the next. It’s all because the teams they root for never have a shot at these players.
1 I enjoy the Riddick movies and saying should have taken the $ Pete
2 but should be 1 I am just a hole
3 I enjoy seeing grown men cry. Freeman crying is my favorite sports memory.
4 my fans expect me to and I love my fans
5 it’s mainly just 1 and 2 but I wanted a top 5
People with short memories. This site estimated he would get $25 million. ESPN estimated he would get $24 million. He got $30 million and the ability to opt out. Remember what happened with Chapman and Snell?
Exactly. Pete just has to make sure that he is not the next Jordan Montgomery.
Or Bellinger who just got a better pillow with more downside protection than Alonso.
Yes to that. No pouting about not getting your contract and being idiotic enough to fire the best agent in baseball. Go play your behind off like Snell and Chapman and get paid big.
Christian Walker got three years at $60 million with no opt-outs. Walker is two years older but plays better defense. No doubt Alonso can now exceed Walker’s deal over the next three years.
I don’t disagree. I’m saying I think that if he has a solid year—-I think he can get that deal. So he’ll wind up with a total of 4/90-$95MM.
I think taking the pillow was the only move for Alonso at this point . I’d take this over the 3/71, assuming no opt outs. No one was offering him $100MM today.
27 x 3 is 81 million for 3 years. 27 x 4 is 108. I think they just want to keep Alonso motivated year by year to earn his money. They didn’t want to have a big contract and have him too relaxed and decline.
Not possible to be an albatross. Good deal for the Mets. Signing Soto without a threat behind him didn’t make sense. In Alonso’s case, Soto hitting in front of him means he’ll get better pitches with someone on base a lot. Good chance Alonso leads the NL in RBIs. He can then hit free agency again next year if he wants, while the Mets can then focus on signing Vlad.
What did Soto do to you?
What did Kelenic do to you Beer Can?
Yup. Bad deal for the Mets. Should have passed.
Another overreach by Boras, the opt out king.
Alonzo will have a MONSTER year with Soto batting in front of him. Aaron Judge had his monster year thanks to Soto.
Aaron Judge is twice the player Pete Alonso is.
Jbigz
That’s good for the Yankees because they’re paying him 40M until 2032
Aaron Judge had his monster year thanks to Soto.
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Yup, I remember hoe bad he use to be.
How can a 2 year contract be an albatross to a team willing to live above the luxury threshold?
Let’s goo!!!
$54M is “pretty close” to $158M. Ahahahahahaha!
Woah
But where is his plane headed?
Nowhere. He turned down the private plane $.
Holy cow, unexpected, but honestly good to hear they all came to their senses.
The report was three years before Alonso rejected the previous offer. I guess the Mets didn’t want to give him two opt-outs?
3 years at a much lower rate. I think this works better for Pete. He gets to hit behind Soto and prove he’s worth 30 mil a year or if not, banks an extra 24 next season, too.
This signing means they are going after Vlady next year!
Going after Santana!
It said Alonso had his choice between the 2 or 3 year deal and chose the 2 year instead of the 3/71
Was actually 3yr-$85M but the deferrals made the present day value $71M, including deferrals it comes out too $28.33M “per year” compared to the $27M AAV of this deal, guess he really believes he’s going to be able to rebound and maximize his earnings next offseason, either that or he was really turned off by the deferred money.
Not a surprise at all, but still. I think the Mets now have the best lineup in the NLE with the Braves right behind.
Yes which makes middling in the rotation quite headscratching.
Mets are Not even top 3,in NL as that honor goes to Dodgers, Phillies then Braves. Dbacks and Padres will give Mets a run for their money with their garbage rotation
No love for the central? Brewers always find a way, Cubs have clearly upgraded (more on the way?) and the Reds have made a few nice upgrades…
But yeah, let’s go with the hemorraging Padres and the one trick pony DBacks. They’re not even in the same division as the Mets
Always bet on Reds
…said Pete Rose
I said NLE.
That’s great. I know.
My reply was to Anthony M
So was mine.
isnt that what everyone said last season about the mets rotation and neither the braves nor the phillies won a round in the playoffs?
Also you dont know what the braves pitching will be this season as they lost 2 starters and their 3rd starter might come back early in the season but he could be like degrom in his last season with the mets and come back in august same with acuna. Then the 4th starter literally has his picture next to injury prone. Overall the braves took a step back in my opinion.
“Mets are Not even top 3,in NL as that honor goes to Dodgers, Phillies then Braves.”
Phillies scored 784 runs last year to the Mets 768. The Mets added Soto and are bringing back largely the same lineup besides. I’d say the Mets will give them a run for their money.. Braves only scored 704 runs but were decimated by injuries. Should be a lot of runs scored in the NL East this year.
Do you know how to read? The man said NL East.
Do they though? I mean, sure, your top 5 now probably looks like:
– Lindor
– Soto
– Vientos
– Alonso
– Nimmo
The Braves too 5 will probably look like (once Acuna returns, and even with Profar)
– Acuna
– Harris
– Riley
– Olson
– Ozuna
I still think the Braves have the best lineup, as they also have Profar, Albies, and Murphy in there; compared to Winker, Alvarez and McNeil for the Mets.
Also, not a fan of either team.
I’m not a fan of either…and I unbiasedly think the Braves have a better lineup.
I’m a Mets fan and if I were making a bet, I’d pick the Braves to score the most runs. It’s going to be crazy this year. Nats should take a step forward with a full season of James Wood and possibly Crews.
it’s close enough OMG
Braves guys coming back from down years injuries. It’s close and braves at peak ceiling I can get on board but Acuna back from knee injury yet again. I’ll lean the Mets floor.
Yeah the Braves lineup is extremely deep. As a fan of neither (obviously) I would definitely take the Braves collection over the Mets.
Dodgers in 3!
Braves would not bat the guy with a .380 OBP in the top 2?
Obviously not a fan of either team and I love these exercises
– Lindor – 138 OPS+ / 6.9 WAR
– Soto – 178 OPS+ / 7.9 WAR
– Vientos – 135 OPS+ / 3.1 WAR
– Alonso – 123 OPS+ /2.6 WAR
– Nimmo – 107 OPS+ / 2.2 WAR
– Acuna – 101 OPS+ / 0.0 WAR (only 49 games)
– Harris – 99 OPS+ / 3.2 WAR
– Riley – 115 OPS+ / 2.9 WAR
– Olson – 118 OPS+ / 3.8 WAR
– Ozuna – 154 OPS+ / 4.3 WAR
So the top 5 of the Braves isn’t as good as the top 2 from the Mets.
@coloredpaper
Ahh if only the top 5 counted. Line ups include 9 total
Look dude the braves had so many injuries last year, if everyone is healthy like they were in 2023 the only team that can compete with that offense is the dodgers. So to place the mets above them when all they did was add Soto is kind of far fetched. And just because I’m a braves fan it does not make me biased. The numbers back it up. Adding an actual left fielder into the mix in profar and the braves have a better on paper lineup then they did in 2023 as well. Everyone was injured last year except for ozuna and Olson and olson’s numbers were way down for his standards because he had no protection in the lineup. Riley was out for a while, albies was out for a while, Harris was out for a while, acuna was out for a while, and murphy was out for a while. All of those guys healthy this year will spell trouble for any opponent they face, shoot even arcia had a bad down year but let’s not forget he was the national league all star starting shortstop in 2023
Acuna
Albies
Riley
Olson
Ozuna
Profar
Murphy
Arcia
Harris
Tell me if healthy who besides the dodgers boasts a better starting 9? Not the mets that’s for sure!
Diamondbacks led the league in runs last year
SOTO all world game changer. Makes them all better. OMG!
LMAO, most predictable off-season move. It’s about time.
Now trade for Cease and they’ll be set.
What would it cost them?
Running
McGill, Butto, Acuna and Mauricio might get it done. I think Padres only trade Cease for a good haul.
*McGill, Butto, Acuna and Mauricio might get it done*
i just want to say…lol
(Megill). Too high a price for one year of Cease. If they could sign him long-term, that’s another matter.
Acuna and a couple of arms not named Sproat.
MLB
Thats 2 mid-20 y/o arms with multiple years of control each, plus options, and 2 inf prospects w the same?
For a guy on an exp contract?
DO IT
Not much surprise here. Just like Bregman will probably end back up in Houston.
Bregman would have gone for it already. He’s not backing down methinks.
Reports (aka gossip) that he’s already accepted a “creative” 4 year Cubs deal. Waiting to see if that’s true, like everyone else annoyed by this long wait
Boston going after Arenado
Houston stated they “lost” Bregman
Bergman reportedly doesn’t want to go to Toronto or Detroit.
Who’s left?
It was an (admittedly) gossip article from someone who claims to know the Bregman family. Could’ve been mostly BS for all I know. I can’t seem to find it now that I’m looking for a link to it.
I took it with a grain of salt, but it supported the narrative that Houston seemed to have moved on and Boston was inquiring about Arenado (implying they moved on as well). It’s at the very least just a rumor…
Here it is (not sure if there’s any credibility to it) :
fansided.com/chicago-cubs-gossip-alex-bregman-made…
Aloha Cubs25, sadly there are so many rumors flying around. An interesting article I read is that Bregman does not profile well for Wrigley as a hitter. I have to remember that the park has been one of the harder ones the past so years to hit in. Plus Bregman was used to playing half of his games in an indoor setting like Daikin Park (formerly Minute Maid). It may mean nothing but Paredes had difficulty in Wrigley but the thinking now is that he’ll do better in Houston. It will be interesting where he ends up. He won’t come close to what he and Boras thought he’d sign for. Mahalo
Hi kg
Yeah, I saw that one too. I also saw one transposing all of his balls put in play in Houston last year onto Wrigley’s dimensions. If only we could normalize for the weather (which of course we can’t), this article actually indicated a lot of his fly ball outs and doubles would’ve resulted in home runs. Again though, I’m sure Wrigley’s unpredictable winds would have a huge influence on that.
So much of this is speculative though…
Until he and Boras make a decision, all we can do is wait and see I guess
Aloha Cubs25,
True that. Daikin (Minute Maid) is considered one of the best parks to hit long balls in. Will be interesting to see how Tucker, a LHD bat does in Wrigley. Cody’s power was really down this past season but part of that was his weaker exit velo. If Bregman picks Chicago, he’ll also need to make adjustments playing in the colder weather the first few months of the season. We’ll see. Mahalo
Hopefully true. Don’t want him coming to Detroit for that many years
kgcubs… Everybody’s HR totals were down in Wrigley last season due to the wind blowing in much more regularly than in previous years. The weather dictates everything in that place.
Boston isn’t going after Arenado. There isn’t a fit there, regardless of how much some people have tried to force there to be one this winter.
Aloha rondon, true. Here’s another factor that’s interesting, many hitters today are the “pull” types. I’ve said for years players have got to learn how to effectively “spray” their hits all over the field. Seiya-san is one of the best in doing this on the team. Cody was one of the worst. Wrigley has some of the longest distances of any field down the lines, I believe 355′ and 353′.
BTW, it will be interesting to see how Tucker does going from Minute Maid/Daikin to Wrigley. Take care. Mahalo!
It would be hilarious if this was true, all these reporters and insiders trying to be first to get the scoop and here is aunt Mabel playing bingo with the Bregman relative (or was it at the beauty parlor) beating them to the punch. Wonder if MLBTR will give her credit for being the first to break the story?
Lol. I’m with you. All these proceedings need some crazy off the wall thing like that to take place. Makes it interesting.
Yup Astros or Mexican league and go play with Trevor bauer
Bauer signed with an NPB team, but that’d still be wild.
Aloha SFGRab & Cubs25, looks like the rumors are alive and well. I’m sure Boras is enjoying all the attention. Sounds like Bregman and Scott still want that 6-7yr deal with a higher AAV. I think the Cubs FO should walk away from Alex, not worth this drama. Cubs went through this stuff late last year with Cody when they should have move on. Better the team go into spring training with the team they have now, give Shaw the opportunity to be the 3B, imho. Take care now. Mahalo
I agree if the contract length is anything greater than 4 years (even then, I liked the concept of opt outs every year)
Bregman can go contract-less to start the season or settle with a lesser team if need be. Having Shaw waiting in the minors certainly affords us a good option at 3B either way. Let’s just hope Hoerner is ready to go at 2B by opening day.
Aloha Cubs25, yes the offer is unique. I don’t always like this style because it gives so much control to the player (or agent, lol). I would have only offered 1yr plus option like was given to Cody the first time around.
I actually like the team the way it is right now. Hoyer was terrible the past two years in regard to the BP. At least in his walk off year he’s gotten the message and strengthened the relief corps. I’m also okay with no trade for a starter after not signing a Flaherty, again because of the bullpen today.
To your point about Nico, I hope he’s close to coming back as he and Dansby will be good mentors for Shaw. Mahalo!
I agree. It’s a much better constructed team than I think we’ve had in a few years. Not too many holes.
I wouldn’t want to trade Caissie or someone else on the farm for a Cease or a King. Our rotation will be effective and deep, albeit no true ace on staff (though I’d argue that Imanaga and Steele are at least high-end No. 2 pitchers)
There is one area that needs to be shored up and that’s 1B. Busch is primary, but with Bellinger shipped out, who covers on off-days or, heaven forbid, Busch gets hurt? Our new backup catcher? Seems we need to get that figured out too.
Aloha Cubs25, agree with you about the starting pitching. I follow the NPB very closely, have for years. I wanted Imanaga-san for our Cubs over Yamamoto-san. I know the later is younger, throws harder has a higher ceiling in the MLB. But I felt Shota’s maturity and personality would do well in Chicago. I hope he continues to make adjustments because the hitters will against him. I hope Steele stays healthy the whole season. Those 2 as you said are more like a #2 & 3 in the rotation.
As for Busch, I like him. I don’t like that Hoyer included Z. Hope in that trade. As much as I’m not a fan of LA, they have imho, superior personnel when it comes to evaluating young talent. I liked Ferris but he was profiling more as a BP arm. LA knew Hope was the one to get, and now has shot up in the prospects rankings. So as a Cub fan, we need Busch to succeed. His defense really surprised me in a great way. He’ll need to be patient at the plate and better at advancing and driving in runs. So, a Canha or Ferris could be a back up solution but would they come?
As to catcher, I still smh at Hoyer. If he wasn’t going to trade for Olson, the very next year get Murphy, then Amaya is the backup learning from a great receiver, not to mention defense and production. I hear Ballesteros has dropped a lot of weight, maybe he still have a shot at the position. His bat is far more advanced right now than his field play. Mahalo!
Hahaha wow what a compromise/discount.
He got his desired AAV at about 1/3 the years he was looking for. Mets won this battle of attrition for sure.
So then is the structure a $10M signing bonus, $20M salary and a $24M option or a $10M signing bonus, $30M salary in 2025 and $14M for 2026 if he doesn’t opt out?
He wants to go back on the open market and decided being in New York was better than being in Toronto.
Sort of, they obviously needed his bat in the lineup, at least this year, but didn’t want to pay his AAV for the long term. They had to at least buckle for this season. Pete now has a good shot to bounce back batting behind Soto and prove he’s worth it. Dude is only 30, he can still net a big deal next season or if he tanks, he can make 24 million more at the least. Win/win.
More of a win for New York. He’s forgoing about $50M not to play somewhere the national media might not see.
Sorry meant for my reply to go under yours but the mobile sure messed up:
Yeah, if he has a nice bounce back he could parlay that into a solid 5 years/$150M making it effectively 6 years/$180M, which is likely more on par with what he was looking for to begin with.
Might even be with the Mets, though that’s doubtful.
And as others said, no matter how bad it could go for him, he’s got a $24M consolation option sitting there for his taking.
Nobody is going to be paying Alonso 150MM next year even with a monster year. I’m sorry but with Tucker and Vlad out there as well he’s not gonna command more than Olson or Freeman got with AAV. All the things that teams were hesitant about this year are going to be the same next year he can’t change his body type/position.
My thoughts if he hits 40 hrs but his hit data is still the same he will have to go short term again to get high aav. Unless SD has $ laying around or Colorado or Angels want to make a splash. Or Toronto $. No many stupid teams anymore. Like with Bellinger teams looked at data and not the stats.
*Could*. I suspect he will let that $24M option play out and if he’s lucky, get like 1 year/$27M from someone else etc and string together 7 years/$150M from multiple 1-2 year deals in the $20M-$30M range-if he is lucky.
The unlucky version of this is that he settles for 1 year/$14M or so in 2027 from a team like the A’s and then sees his salaries drop until he retires or is just shut out entirely by like 2029 or 2030.
Whoever loses out on the $450 million Vlad Jr sweepstakes will pay Alonso $30 million AAV over at least 4 years and probably 5 as long as he puts up 3+ WAR in 2025. Another season like 2024 and he still gets a minimum of $24 million or about what this site and ESPN predicted he would get.
I gotta agree with Rey here. Even if Alonso hits 0.245 with 40 homers, I see him opting out to get a new deal of maybe three years at a $27 million AAV with more opt-outs.
Paying Alonso $30 million dollars over 4-5 years because they missed out on Vlad sounds like signing Anthony Santander because you whiffed on Soto.
Ummmmmm. No. See this offseason. It’s not going to magically get better for Pete.
He also won’t have the QO penalty hanging over his head next year if he opts out. On the other hand, it also gives the Mets another year to figure out if any of the young players are suitable replacements for Pete. And at $24m for the player option, he’s likely tor opt out, which could potentially be good for both sides.
Another year for Mets to see if Vientos can play defense at 3B. If not, he has to move to 1B or DH. And in a few years, Soto will be playing a lot of DH.
@Bill:
Got to play them to figure out suitability. Otherwise it’s divination & they need to sign some chickens to sacrifice.
Nimmo will be DH for a few years, then Soto and Vientos.
They said it’s 54 guaranteed.unless it gets Updated soon
How much?
Tree fiddy
Yeah, if he has a nice bounce back he could parlay that into a solid 5 years/$150M making it effectively 6 years/$180M, which is likely more on par with what he was looking for to begin with.
Might even be with the Mets, though that’s doubtful.
And as others said, no matter how bad it could go for him, he’s got a $24M consolation option sitting there for his taking.
boring
Aloha folks, probably the best move for him. Helps their lineup out since they added Soto. Mahalo PS: wonder if they could use a Bregman?!
Vientos is playing 3B.
Aloha MrMet, I know. Was being a little sarcastic but since the 2 players have the same agent, wondered if Cohen might go for it in the short term as Bregman brings better defense to 3B. I do like Vientos and he can play multiple positions as well as to DH. Take care now. Mahalo!
Best move was to take that extension. This is just the only move. Blue Jays were interested though!!!!
GOAT Met!
The most obvious outcome is obvious
Obviously so.
Any NBA news?
Go to hoopsrumors.com for those.
Nope, same crappy defenseless game that’s become nothing but a three-point shooting contest. Oh, and LeBron ran Anthony Davis out of LA a couple of days ago, so there’s that…
RSox
I don’t think that was LeBron’s decision
Literally nobody knew that was happening. Not even the players involved. Let alone LeBron
In Anthony Davis’ own words “LeBron is the GM of the Lakers”. According to LeBron the Lakers sought his approval before finalizing the trade. LeBron knew plenty
Here comes Mets fans who bashed him since FA started to tell us how great he is again.
It’s a 1 year deal at most 2, nobody wanted him long term but he’s a great bounce back candidate this year.
In my timeline multiverse they just thought Vientos or whoever is better and better at 1b and Baty Acuna or whoever would just be good at 3b. More like they didn’t really care if Pete left. The irl mets fans yelled at cohen they wanted him back.
@13Morgs13 facts
I couldn’t believe how quick they turned on him.
“It’s amazing how a new uniform can change your attitude about a guy”
“He’s still a d**k”
As opposed to booing Trea Turner to the point of a nervous breakdown?
Yeah, you people are real saints.
No—he’s still an abysmal defensive 1Bman in steep decline, who’s a fair bet to decline further, put up a 1.5 fWAR season, and opt-in, saddling the Mets with yet another year of vastly overpriced HRZZZ.
You don’t pay 1b 30MM for defense bud. Also it’s not your money so why you worrying.
Best pooper scooper in baseball
JackStrawb is a Mets hater pretending to be a fan. He bashes literally every move they make and vehemently so. There’s a number of that type of troll here.
Jack is the saddest man on the internet.
He is the living breathing example of misery and projection there is. The man gives himself strokes yearly.
@13Morgs13
Nah. The folk doing the ripping continue to rip, the folk wanting Alonso back are now happy. There’s variety in Met fans’ opinion & everybody’s pretty consistent with where they’ve stood, which distinguishes them from other fanbases not at all.
Good move for everyone else in NL East.
Will be fun to watch them play LA.
Great deal for thr Mets. Really deepens that lineup.
It really is true what theyre doing to the polar bears.
Congrats Mets fans!
They are lucky cause Soto would have never seen a good pitch.
That would be crazy. Vientos would have 150 rbis batting with Lindor and Soto on base all the time.
He shouldn’t anyway
Great, now trade for another starter
Vientos, Peterson, and Megill to the Padres for King or Cease?
Peterson had a sub 3 ERA and threw 121 IP despite starting his season late, I really wanna see what he becomes in NY so hopefully he stays w the club
PiazzaParty:
Agree, hope the Mets hang onto Peterson. He was a good 4/5 starter last year without his hips/legs providing full velocity to his pitches. Needed to make up for that with arm strength, affecting his control IMO. Now a year on from hip surgery, and last season’s taste of better (but not full) mechanical balance, hope to see progress re: both velocity and control.
Peterson had an ‘expected ERA’ of 4.59 last season. Hopefully, that means nothing and he continues to progress at the age of 29. Doubt it though.
That was based on his performance pre-surgery. He had a major hip surgery and turned around a lot of metrics.
Huge, ridiculous overpay.
Basically paying him for one year until Vladdy becomes available.
And worse case, he accepts his $24M option and DHs for a year behind Soto and Vladdy (if not traded similar to Bellinger).
Mets have eaten more money to facilitate a move. Pete has to be bad or hurt to not opt out of 1/$24MM
If Pete repeats his 2024 season, I’m not sure he opts out. 2 straight 2 WAR seasons for a post 30 year old 1B with no defensive or baserunning value would cap him at Joc’s 2yr/$36M type of deal.
Possible and Alonso likely wants to be in Queens but if he’s 120-125wrc+ guy you’d have to think he’s going to. Joc is really a platoon player. Alonso doesn’t really have splits.
He may not reach the $24MM on an annual basis but I think he’d at least try to get himself another pillow.
Joc is a platoon player, but was at wRC+ 151 last year which makes him really elite at his role (and was worth 3 WAR). Pete, on the other hand, was more good than elite (wRC+ 122) and only accumulated 2.1 WAR even though he had 250 more PAs.
Not totally wrong here.
I think Alonso would be able to get a 2/40 next offseason (with an opt out) if he’s a 125 WRC+ playing everyday though.
Someone will bite on his bat and give him a little more downside protection.
There it is. And if length is as stated, that’s fine
Let me guess. The Blue Jays were runners up for him?
Definitely interested
Ugh. Mets are just the dodgers minus any success
2022 playoff appearance
2024 made it all the watch to the NLCS against…..the dodgers. I wouldn’t call that unsuccessful
When’s the name changing to saltynarinersfan?
It is funny how when the Dodgers sign a big contract, the response is “salary cap now!” The Mets have been right there with their spending, but that’s ok because they haven’t won a title recently, I guess.
No one cares about the Dodgers spending, it’s that MLB allows the deferrals to circumvent the luxury tax.
The deferrals didn’t even come from the Dodgers, Ohtani’s team did that and offered the same contract to like 5 or 6 teams.
Not true at all. The deferrals came from Ohtani’s team, but were not offered to other teams.
And the Dodger have really only won one since 1988.
The Mets have won only one since 1986.
How many division titles did they win, though? Pretty nutty. Baseball’s playoff format creates the illusion of parity because it creates upsets, but look at the division winners. It’s mostly the same teams.
*3
Exactly, people just want to find reasons to hate on the Dodgers for some reason.
Well, if any fan would know what it takes to be unsuccessful, it’s a Mariners fan.
Yep, therefore I am incredibly qualified to talk about it haha
Just to watch the Braves win the division
Acuna is made of glass. I don’t see it.
Prince Rupert drops are glass.
Which Acuna?
I think the one with two ACLs held together with duct tape and Elmer’s glue is the one I am referencing. I think you knew too, but thought you were funny.
It was just an interesting fact. I don’t disagree with you. The DL time backs it up.
I think R. Acuna is a great player when healthy. But is anyone banking on Mike Trout just ripping the league apart this year after his injury? Why is everone seemingly convinced Acuna is going to tear it up again? I’ll be happy for him if he does, I just don’t see it as a likely outcome.
Ha. Braves are getting nowhere near division. Strider coming back from TJ don’t count on him. Acuna I wouldn’t count on either.
They will be lucky to squeak into the playoffs again.
Wouldn’t be shocked at all. They usually do.
Alonso should have taken the three years from the blue jays. What a moron.
Greed. Moron, agreed!
He should have taken the extension the Mets offered.
I don’t know why he didn’t jump on the $158M deal. All this betting on one’s self just puts him in perpetual jeopardy.
a tremendous deal for mets organization and fans! low risk high reward. polar bear is back!
I wouldn’t go that far.
Well, it is a tremendous deal compared to the 7/$158 minus the $20.5 paid for 2024.
30 million this season is a lot for someone who had a 788 OPS in 2024.
One year deal with a player option essentially and they are banking on a rebound
His only year w a sub 800 ops. I think he’ll have a good year.
Especially hitting behind Soto.
It is. That’s how he saved face.
Omg shuddup of all you about how bad pete is , how bad his ops is , how bad his avg is. Jesus christ he was an elite hitter for several yrs. still plenty of pop, hit monumental playoff HR,
suddenly he aint worth a bucket of sunflower seeds. I had enough of this bs. Im glad petes back & i hope he leads the majors in HRs & earns himself a monster deal
Masterful gambit by Alonso. By turning down the extension offer he makes the smart bet by banking on his declining and limited skillset.
Bold move cotton
I mean at this point he didn’t have much of a choice. No one was offering $100MM+
He fumbled the bag, could have gotten way more had he not been idiotic
Still might. This aav might get him more money in the long run.
He’s getting very good AAV and is likely opting out next year. I think Pete sort of won, but at the same time, Mets aren’t stuck with an albatross contract. Win/win.
Now go and win the damn thing
If he has a good season then next year free agency class could be better risk to get long term contract
He’s taking the opt out if they don’t win it all this year, so basically he will 100% guaranteed.
Finally! Now Bregman can finally sign the 10 year $250 million contract (deferred) with the Dodgers! Fans will get all excited for the promotional “smash your Bregman bobble-head night”.
Makes you wonder, who would get booed the loudest by Dodger fans: Bregman, Trevor Bauer, or Carlos Correa?
Bauer will never be in front of mlb fans again, so it’s between the other two.
I knew he’d be back!!!!! LFGM!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he gets to St Lucie tomorrow he can get a head start practicing laying off sliders low and outside
54 guaranteed years, for 2 million, with deferred opt outs??
Low annual but you gotta love the commitment. He’ll be a Met longer than Bobby Bonilla
If Alonso is under the Mendoza line by Bobby Bonilla Day do you trade him to the Dodgers?
With the signing of Alonso the Mets will finish third….
You a fking hater!
Just telling the truth. Mets are a third rate organization.
And then run through the playoffs to a world championship.
You mean a “world championship” of Murica, F@&k Yeah!
It is possible. The Braves are pretty good and you can’t count out the Phillies.
I see three pretty equal NL East teams. Shockingly, the Phillies now have the best starting pitching, and Atlanta has the best hitting except it is injury prone. Should be a close, fun race. I only see two teams from NL East making postseason in 2025.
Who do you have getting the 3rd WC? DBacks? Brewers/Cubs?
Mute loudmouths!
Done.
Boras blinked…
If Pete has a monster year, he’ll probably get the better deal next year. Not to the same magnitude as Judge did a few years back when he took a shorter “prove the hometeam wrong deal”, but similar story (about half what Judge got) .
Judge just didn’t sign extension I believe
Yep, you’re right. Bad example. Concept was there, but not the structure for an apple-to-apples comparison.
Matt Chapman
Most of the top 50 FA have made out well. Alonso misjudged his market, ‘m going to guess that i speak for many of us that I’d love the opportunity to ,misjudge and still lland a $54M guarantee.
Ha, Mets fans went from ripping him a new ass and saying he stunk to now saying he is the missing piece. I’ glad Pete got the $ he deserved. He is a good team mate, good ambassador for the game. The NL East wouldn’t be the same without him. Maybe the METS fanbase who somehow sees Stearns as some cult character will now appreciate what Pete brings to the table.
@Cambo
Nah. The folk doing the ripping continue to rip, the folk wanting Alonso back are now happy. There’s variety in Met fans’ opinion & everybody’s pretty consistent with where they’ve stood, which distinguishes them from other fanbases not at all.
Does this mean the Mets will pass on Vladi?
No, is a 2 year with an opt out.. the second year is for 24 million meaning hes gon opt out for a longer guaranteed contract.. is either vlad, ryan clifford or vientos to first next season
@biggavelli. Ryan Clifford will need to take a huge step forward in 2025 to be considered an option for 26. A massive step forward. He has contact issues and strikes out way too much. If Vientos can keep it up he should be the primary option.
No, it means the Mets are hoping Pete has a monster season and exercises his opt-out next winter
Vladi is almost guaranteed to be a Met.
What if Alonso doesn’t opt-out for ’26? Trade him and eat cash?
Or jus rotate him with Vladi at 1b/dh.
DH!
Imagine 3b 1b and DH with Vientos, Vlad, and Polar Bear
Hope so or they will need to expand the kitchens at Citi Field.
No, even if Pete stays for 2026 then he will DH and Vladdy will play 1B. But Pete won’t stay because then he’d be a FA at the start of the lockout…
Very happy he’s back, even though I don’t think it’s the greatest baseball move contract wise. I would have really preferred to sign him to a deal more like the one Anthony Santander signed: longer term at a lower yearly salary.
The Santander deal is a steal for the Blue Jays with his deferrals. Alonso rejected three years from the Mets to take less money for two or one. Not a chance he would’ve taken a similar Santander deal.
Let’s go! I’m made I lose out on vientos at 1b but so happy for Pete despite the disrespect they put on his name in these negotiations.
This is almost as shocking as Roki Sasaki signing with the Dodgers….womp womp
$400M payroll including luxury taxes to finish in third place. Yikes!
They haven’t finished third yet. Why not let it play out?
Third place and a trip to the WS as a wild card. There. All fixed now.
Not surprising at all. Still, congrats Mets fans! Polar Bear is fun to watch.
He always has the face of a guy who is mad at someone for kicking his dog or something. He is funny to watch, that’s for sure. Hope he has a good year.
After all that waiting around, it’s two years and $54 million? Oh well, at least he gets to set the Mets home run record. But it seems like a puny outcome for a long drawn-out free agency.
$30 million! $5-6 million more than predicted. A really good 2025 and that will be his AAV over 4-5 seasons. Another like 2024 and he still gets as much as the AAV predicted on here.
If 2024 is the new normal or if he drops off from that he cost himself a lot of money. It can work out for Alonso but he needs to play well for that to happen.
No one offered him $100MM this offseason so he did what made sense at this point. He’s more likely to opt out because his pillow isn’t as cushy as Bellinger’s but there’s a a very real chance he never sees $100MM guaranteed on a single deal.
I don’t think for one second that he wouldn’t have inked a 5/125 instead if that was available to him.
In other news, water is still wet.
Finally!
WOW, what a cluster for Alonso. So much for all the nuts who thought he was going to get $150-200 million guaranteed.
Go to spring training with your tail between your legs…
What an idiot. Alonso just got a 50% raise and bet on himself that if he plays well in 2025 he will get that same $30 million as an AAV over 4-5 more years.
He won’t get a 5 year deal at this AAV. He’ll not be saddled with a QO which will help his market but it’s no surprise he got a high AAV on a pillow. Everyone would’ve told you that this contract structure was feasible.
There’s a good chance he does not get 4/95 next offseason. If he has a good season—I’m guessing he can take another pillow or get something slightly north of Christian Walker.
Very real chance the Mets aren’t giving him another pillow either with Vlad Jr. out there.
Speaking of idiots, “he will get that same $30 million as an AAV over 4-5 more years.”…
Snell and Chapman got their money after one year of performing. What makes you think that Alonso wouldn’t?
Alonso’s problem this offseason was that he had a really bad 2024. 2.6 WAR Just 34 HR. If he returns to his 2021-2022 level of play he will easily get $30 million AAV and 4-5 years, maybe more.
As a year older. 1 dimensional non elite “hitting” 1B. Alonso has great power but he is not an elite hitter.
I would take the bet 100\100 times that he never receives a $30MM AAV on a 4 year deal. He can probably get a salary in that range again (assuming he hits) on a short term deal if he’s open to it.
2nd division loser like the White Sox might overpay for his mediocrity to avoid a grievance but it still won’t be for $30MM on a long term deal.
I’ll have to backtrack since the Rockies also still exist. So I guess 99/100
I definitely can’t rule the Rockies out of giving Pete Alonso $120MM. There’s no logic to it but they operate in that realm.
All of this drama for absolutely nothing. Turned down 2 contracts worth more years and more money–from the team he only wanted to play for to finally accept a low ball deal instead. Find new representation before your next round of free agency Pete…
He at least got more for this season than the 3 year deal. 30 mil then reenter market.
He just cost the Mets $63 million for 2025. Wow!
Yeah. But the wealthiest owner can handle it.
I feel like the rotation is the weakest link for sure. However, it would not surprise me if the group over performs and it just clicks.
Preller asleep at the wheel
Gross. This is the bar for $30MM yr. Agents and players union are pleased and that’s all that matters
He held out for less money? That’s how they negotiate contracts in the bizarro world lol!
The world of greed doesn’t always pay. He should’ve taken ther previous extension offer.
He got an extra 8 mil this year, I think e was always trying to opt out anyways so he gets more this year for less total guarantee.
Happy for both him and the Mets. Maybe Soto is what the Mets needed to beat the Dodgers.
The New York Mets effectively lost two draft picks by re-signing Pete Alonso and Sean Manaea.
Not that the Mets emphasize the draft.
Garbage picks since they paid the tax. Not really much of a consideration here. Bigger deal for a team like the O’s who would’ve thrown away 2 first rounders.
Definitely don’t let a couple 4th rounders stop you from signing ML’ers.
You’re kidding me right?
The next Austin Troesser step right up!
Finally this Alonso saga reaches its end…
Only to possibly re-start at the end of this upcoming season…
Ok finally
It’s about f’ing time
Does this count as a 27 million AAV for CBT counting?
I’m curious then, if that means a team could sign all their 1 year FAs to deals with a player option second year at like 1 million dollars.
A 1st year 19 million dollars, 2nd year 1 million dollar player option could be a great cheat to only play 10 million worth of cbt for your one year of a 19 million dollar guy.
Is there anything besides the commissioner saying that this would make a mockery of the system that would prevent this? I’m seriously asking.
Buyout isn’t applied to the next season’s AAV. Buyouts are more useful for a cash flow tool since they’re paid out in the offseason rather than during the year in the player’s regular paycheck.
There are specific CBT rules covering situations like player option years with salaries well below the AAV of the contract.
I’m pretty sure that the specific case you mention would result in a “Valley Charge”, as described on p. 135 of the CBA . mlbplayers.com/_files/ugd/4d23dc_d6dfc2344d2042de9…
I’m struggling to translate the language into an exact formula for your example, but the effect is to push $ (for CBT purposes) back into the year(s) before a player opt-out, if the post opt-out years have much lower salaries.
Page 142 of the CBA also includes catch-all language that “neither the Parties hereto nor any Club or any Player shall enter into any agreement, Uniform Player’s Contract or other transaction, that includes any terms designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected by this Article XXIII.” (Article XXIII is the Competitive Balance Tax section of the CBA.)
So that language is also a way to prevent the player opt-out idea you mention. It also presumably prevents something like a contract that pays a player low annual salaries until age 50 in order to lower a contract’s AAV during a contract’s “real” years.
Air kisses aren’t free
Now that we got Pete back, we can trade Mauricio, Baty and Megill to the Padres for either Cease or King or make it a bigger trade and get both. How about Senga, Jett Williams , Baty, , Megill and McNeil plus $20 mil for Cease and King ?
Wow. Some fans are just really clueless.
steal for the mets
alonso needs a new agent
Didn’t his agent jump ship after he rejected the 156 mil offer?
Alonso did this to himself. But if collects his 30 mil and smacks 40 dingers, it might work out about the same financially regardless.
His upside in the best case scenario at this point looks to be that he can eventually match that offer in total dollars while bearing all the risk without securing that guarantee. He’’ll also likely to have to get that money from another club.
I’d say Pete definitely regrets his choice.
I wish it were a longer-term contract, but I’m so relieved that he’s back!
Boras?
The Scott Boras strategy of holding out for less money worked to perfection. Again.
He really needs to hire a very basic analytics person. The just throwing out a ridiculous number of 200 300 million without any justification isn’t a good strategy.
Pete finally came to the table and ate his massive turd sandwich. Poor guy prepared it himself. What a terrible client.
Alonso back to the Mets on a well-paid but prove-it contract is as it should be. In this one small way there is something right in the Universe.
Ultimately he got Chapman $ over 2 years and not the 3yr Bellinge structure. Cohen rightfully called that structure out as disportionally risk to the team. Good for him.
Snell, Chapman, Montgomery and now Alonso and Flaherty got 2yrs this is the opt out structure.
I told everyone this on January 25th. I said $48 million but Mets caved $54 million.
“ Best route for Pete is opt out after year 1. Hit in same line up as Soto and rebuild his stats. Next year when the vladimir Guerrero jr signing happens wherever it happens then Pete’s contract offers will improve. 2 year contract $48 million ($9 million signing bonus, $9 million deferred) with opt out after year 1”
Good job Yellow! It wasn’t something I heard guessed by many people.
How did the cleats become yellow?
Got a pair from Lindy and Pete. Lol j/k. Mets win when . I was at the 2nd to last Mets game with the brewers and whenever they wear yellow cleats they won if they are mismatched
Looks like Vladimir Guerrero going to Anaheim next year
After a poor season it was intersting to watch his FA unforld. I didn’t believe he would get the long term deal that everyone else was predicting.
Great deal for both Alonso and Mets. After he made it clear that he only wanted to sign with the Mets his leverage was gone, but he ended up with $30 million for 2025 which sets the base for his next deal.
Now all Alonso has to do is return to being that 40+ HR guy in the middle of that Mets order to get his payday. I like players that believe in themselves enough to take prove it deals like this one.
Seems like an overpay since no other team really wanted him. They probably could have sweated him out and got him for under 20 million a year.
“No other team really wanted him..Sweated him out”…Youre almost certainly correct, but David Stearns is not a cruel man.
He totally CRUSHED & STEAMROLLED Pete and his mercurial representation, but he is not the sort of man to take victory laps or preen and pose.
Stearns thought it wise to take the high road and allow Pete Alonso to save just a little bit of face and self respect and quietly return to the team.
Pete got a good deal here from the Mets after botching turning down Eppler’s offer.
I have to imagine Cohen had his fingerprints on this one. Other teams were way less likely to give up a pick and sign Alonso to a pillow deal like this and not be able to recoup a pick in the offseason.
Outside of the Jays or Giants (since they’ve already burned their highest pick on a qualified FA & could’ve squeezed him in) Tough to sign him at $30MM w/ $24MM in downside protection plus give up a valuable pick.
Pivetta is in a really rough spot right now. Looks like the Sox have moved on. I think he’s going to have to sign well under market at like a 2/28 with a team who has already sacrificed a pick for another FA.
And as the Braves and Mets continue to improve the Phillies are just wasting their three-year window. Phillies are now the third best team in the NL East. Mets can now compete with the Dodgers. Phillies are gonna have a hard time holding off the nationals. As a Phillies fan, I can just say that I’m extremely disappointed
The Phillies have nearly $300MM on their payroll and made their team better this offseason.
They should have the best rotation in the division and the deadline is available to add. Major overreaction.
The Phillies played .500 baseball for a long stretch in the second half of the season and got whooped by the Mets in the NLDS.
I admit to having recency bias.
Chris Sale couldn’t finish 2024. The Braves have no depth past their starting lineup.
Mets are likely to finish in first place.
Again, recency bias. I’m not objective.
“The .500 baseball for a long stretch” comment is false, and made by a lot of people who didn’t watch the Phillies. They had just 2 months of baseball were they were below .500 and March hardly counts as they were 1-2. They had an abysmal July where they were 10-14. They were 15-13 in August (same as the Mets) and 15-11 in September.
The Phillies slumps could be tied to losing almost every 5th starter game, significant injuries to Turner, Realmuto and others.
They addressed the 5th starter with Luzardo who is often viewed as a top of the rotation guy.
Injuries are always a gamble.
But this theory that the Phillies were really a .500 team for most of the year is just false as we break down the month by month records.
As for the playoffs, the Mets were hot the Phillies were not. It happens all the time. So credit to the Mets. Playoffs are wonky.
Entitled people like Pete Alonso and Jimmy Butler should not be allowed to be coddled.
Dumb Jocks who play Sportsball Mashup are entitled too.
A lot of money for someone who does not hit for average, strikes out a ton, and is poor defensively!
You forgot the laughable base running.
“Third best team”..Baseball is not linear. The Phillies are not the “third best” team in the NLE until the season ends and they’re in third place.
If you can accurately pick where teams will finish, shouldn’t you be at “Draft Kings” laying your bets and not here in the comments section?
How many times have we seen teams “win the off-season” only to fall on their face once the season begins.
Didn’t the Mets just do this(underperform expectations)themselves when they signed Scherzer & Verlander just a couple of years ago?
Should’ve pled and taken the 158m
It says with luxury tax it will cost the Mets $59 million to have Alonso on the team in 2025 alone. There is no chance he could produce anything even close to $59 million worth of value. Even though it’s a short deal, it’s an absolutely terrible contract for them to take on.
So the net effect of not manipulating Pete Alonso’s service time in 2019 is they have to pay him $12m more in 2025 and also burn the QO this offseason so they can’t extend him another one next fall.
Thats bs ..pete hit 53 home runs in 2019 and the mets had 6 years to sign him long term how they handled 2019 only makes a difference because they failed to sign him in all that time since his call up
@Poolhalljunkies so he hits 3 or 4 fewer home runs in 2019 if they manipulate his service time, big deal.
No. He would’ve gone through arbitration 4x in that scenario so he wouldn’t have maxed out at ~18MM.
He would’ve made likely $25MM in arb this year. (Vlad’s looking at $28.5MM in arb.)
@Jbigz12 He made $20.5m in 2024 and his salary has gone up at a steady rate of $7m per year during his arb years. So $28m seems just about right for his arb 4 year.
The bigger issue is them not being able to extend the QO after 2025. It’s great for Alonso. For the Mets, less so.
All in all they didn’t lose nearly as much as other teams.
As a luxury tax payor the compensation is a 4th rounder.
@Jbigz12 Still counts!
Dont forget the 6 years the mets wasted..i get they could have used the system to thier advsntage and screw pete out of money but had they done that no chance pete is back see kris bryant
@Poolhalljunkies Well sure they’d have a chance. Pete is not likely to penalize them for something Brodie Van Wagenen (who is no longer affiliated with the Mets) did 6 years ago. And the Cubs never even talked to Kris Bryant or his representation during his free agent offseason. For all we know they were his first choice. He can’t sign with them if they don’t offer him a contract.
What do ypu mean never offered him a contract? They offered him one every year through 3 years of pre arb and 3 of arb . Every single time they offered him a contract which he accepted and signed and every single time there was opportunity to negotiate something long term which apparently the two sides tried many times and failed to agree on…the point is regardless of cba manipulation there was plenty of opportunity for the mets to sign him..they didnt its simple
The Cubs didn’t offer Bryant a contract 3 years ago when he was a free agent.
If the Mets had manipulated Alonso’s service time they would have saved some money for 2025, would not have had ot burn the QO card this offseason and would still have the opportunity to work out a long term arrangement with him. That is a fact.
this is a good deal for the Mets and Pete. It automatically makes them a contender now even with their suspect pitching staff, they have a real solid offense.
Would definitely have preferred the Astros shell out a few more bucks for him than Walker. Oh well.
Pete wasn’t signing this deal when Walker inked his though. He had $100MM on his mind.
you mean Boras had 200 million on his mind
So Baltimore wasn’t able to trade Mountcastle for a nice SP and sign Alonso to the same deal?
I like Mounty but he wasn’t going to bring back a nice SP coming off last year. I think he’ll do well with “new” wall.
Best news I’ve heard all day. Mets just won the NL East this year and next. Congrats!
I had no idea you could even win games in February
You can win games any time of year. The moves made now definitely correlate to wins in season.
I was secretly hoping the Bucs would unchain their wallet and sneak in with a three-year $82M to $85M offer with opt-outs. They desperately need a slugging 1Bman to go with their great young starters, and a big free agent splash would generate a lot of excitement and sell some tickets in Steel City.
Why did you have to make it a secret? Leo your ownership know you expect more.
YAY! Thank goodness that is over. I don’t know if I could stand seeing another week of Boras paid promo articles.
Live and learn for Pete.
“Pete is a great player. He is also good in the clubhouse. And he is also homegrown. All of that matters,” Stearns said. “I expect Pete to be the Opening Day first baseman next year. Pete’s an important member of this team. Pete’s an important member of this organization. And I think we are really fortunate to have him.”
quoted on OCTOBER 5 , 2023.
$158 million
$70 million
$54 million
That’s a lot of money, whichever one you choose.
Prince Fielder
Albert Pujols
Chris Davis
Miguel Cabrera
Albatross contracts that hurt their respective teams for years.
Overpay
Should have signed greg bird
Throw it again!!
As aBrewer fan I always wondered what Stearns would do with a payroll.
Now I wonder what the Brewers would do with a payroll.
I think the Mets bullpen additions were pretty solid. I didn’t see Minter coming, and when healthy, he can be as good as Scott.
The lineup is insanely good, and I think Alonso batting behind Soto, makes Soto a huge threat.
The rotation is full of question marks, but on the positive side it is very deep.
The market has spoken. He’s been comparatively second tier over the last two years. Maybe it’s just a mid-career slump, and he steps it up, Or maybe it’s more secular, this is the kind of hitter he’s going to be. 23/24 are Graig Nettles numbers–but without the glove.
Secular? Why bring Alonso’s religion into the discussion?
Oooph. Is it too late for Alonso to learn how to play short stop? He could hit .180 this year and he’s not taking that option for 2026.
The Mets are an interesting team. They are almost there with a formidable lineup, but defense is not the greatest. They are almost there with a solid rotation but the bullpen can always use some more reliable arms. Not a championship team yet, but showed what they could do last year over the second half of the season. They need to get past the 90 win mark. That means a good start to the season and staying healthy. But isn’t that what just about every competitive team needs to do? Just shows there are no guarantees. Good to see Alonso staying with the Mets, his free agency was a huge debacle, but it’s over now.
I actually think the bullpen is better than the starting rotation, especially if Holmes moves back to the pen at some point.
Assuming he doesn’t, I still like Butto stanek minter Diaz and dedniel nunez could be an underrated weapon. I wish they had another lefty in the pen, but that relief group is solid.
Mets have huge variance in the rotation, so we’ll have to wait and see. Love senga, but let’s see how he comes back from a year off basically. I think manaea has turned a corner, but there are doubters. I think Holmes will be fine, but obviously not go deep into games. Montas I don’t like at all. Peterson could be a late bloomer, not sure.
Agreed. There’s a tendency among Mets fans to think that every guy who performed well last year is an established star who will do it again. Vientos, Peterson, and Butto have each been good players for one year. Hope they can do it again but it’s not a given.
This was Cohen’s move, mainly, not Stearns’. Pete is a 2ish WAR player whose first year was his best and who has declined the past two seasons. It’s true that he posts every day and could muster a pedestrian 34 HR in a down season. But the analytics suggests that, on a $/WAR basis, this is not a wise move for the Mets. I realize that many if not most readers here don’t give a sh&t about $/WAR but my sense is that’s how Stearns constructed some very strong Brewers teams and led him to release Chris Carter after Carter mashed 41 HRs. That is why I think this is an emotional move (Cohen’s, mainly) more than a sober and rational one (Stearns). As a fan of the Mets for more than 50 years I am not unhappy with the move even if it makes me a little concerned about the extent to which hard-core analytics will drive organizational decision making
I think Alonso can benefit from Soto. The Mets can move him down the lineup a little, maybe 5th. I also think that Nimmo and especially McNeil need to bouce back. You want a long lineup, one that stresses the other team’s pitchers throughout the game. Yes, Alonso’s game is home runs, but keeping the pitcher honest and avoiding mistakes is a stressor. Also, if he comes up often enough with men on base, I think he will respond.
The Mets needed him way more than Alonzo needed them- but he clearly wanted to stay a Met. I’m glad for him, but still hope the Phillies bury them
Nah, go Mets. But even more, GO EAGLES!!!!!
Like Bellinger last year, nobody besides the Mets was going to give up QO-related draft picks without cutting the salary substantially.
I predicted 2-3 yrs at 27.5 a few weeks ago.
You de man.
I know
If the rumors are true, Pete fires Boras. Waiting for that.
That would be a grand slam for baseball.
Uncle Stevey blows chunks!
Why would he do that?
I’m thinking:
Nimmo
Soto
Lindor
Alonso
Vientos
Alvarez
Mauricio or Acuna
Winker
McNeil
Lindor was awesome batting first, though.
I think they keep Lindor at the leadoff spot. Why mess with success? Nimmo’s OBP has dropped way way down from its peak – but maybe if they batted him #1 he might revert to being more selective?
Nimmo should be at the bottom of the order.
Yeah you guys are all correct. Maybe Nimmo at 9? In case he gets on for a brutal top of the order
@Sat Hey Now Kid Putting one of your best OBP guys against RHP in the 8-hole? Hitting the guy with the .900 OPS in his last 172 PA #9?
Hitting your lowest OBP guy 6th?
Hitting one of your lowest OBP guys 5th when #5 is the lineup slot that comes up most often as the 2nd inning leadoff hitter?
Treating Mauricio and Acuna as interchangeable in the lineup?
Rework for two lineups, one vs LHP and one vs RHP then re-submit by the Friday 3pm bell.
Do the 2025 Mets more resemble the first half of last year or the second half? Do the 2025 Phillies more resemble the first half juggernaut of last year or the second half .500 team? Will Strider come back and be strider? Can converted reliever Lopez repeat or was it a fluke? Is Schwellenbach for real? Each of these 4 teams have a pretty equal # of unknowns. Pick a straw.
I”m a Met fan but I think the Braves are the better team.
Check the hitting stats for the Braves in 2024, compared to 2023.
Check the depth chart for position players.
Consider Acuna not anywhere close to 100%.
Strider. Same.
Whose the 4th team ? Yankees ?
He had a lousy agent that talked him out of big money, and now he’s still with that same team. One saga over, next Bregman.
Congrats to Mets fans, I know you guys wanted him back.
Pretty good deal for the Mets, unfortunately Pete didn’t get the bag he wanted, but hopefully he’s motivated to put up great numbers and he gets his chance to re-enter free agency. Or maybe the Mets and Pete have a similar situation to Matt Chapman with the Giants.
If Alonso didn’t hit that homer in Milwaukee I would have been against this resigning.
Homer in Milwaukee was a mistake pitch; threw him an 87 mile an hour slider to a guy who can’t catch up to a fast ball.
Sucks for this long time Mets fan
Dude must really have wanted to stay a Met. No doubt the Jays offered twice that guarantee. They will be a fun club to watch again this year.
“So you held out for LESS money? Thats how they negotiate in the bizzaro world”
Excellent in-depth article. Your description of Alonso’s fielding is more accurate than Cliff Corcoran’s in today’s newsletter who said his fielding was “poor”. I think he’s one of the best around when it comes to scooping low throws. I’d quibble with your statement that their starting pitching depth is impressive. I’d say after Manea, it’s a slew of question marks.
Cohen, now get Bregman… no excuses for not spending. Let’s Go
Sorry dude no Bregman, who I wanted, as we wasted money on the Polar Beer!
Good for the Mets…and this is from a Yankees fan, I think this is a great move for both the team and for Alonso both…..exciting times in Queens….the Mets and Cohen are putting together a team, at least on paper, that looks like a real powerhouse……Met fans should be doing cartwheels…..
As a born and raised in New York Mets fan I can tell you that any time a Yankee fan is happy for a Mets transaction it means it sucks for the Mets which this one does.
Alonso can no longer catch up to a fast ball; watch him get totally overpowered and overmatched in last years All Star game.
He only hit 5 home runs against quality teams last year.
This really sucks; only light in the tunnel will be if he winds up on the IL for the year
@Canosucks,
I’m a born and raised Mets fan too, well over 50 years, and no, I do not want Alonso on the IL. That’s crazy. You want the Mets throwing out 59 mil on the season for Alonso, truncate lineup depth, layers of Soto protection including mid lineup.
While I think Alonso has periods of selfishness which annoy me, and I don’t like his big ego, the Mets are still better with his proven home run threat in middle of the lineup. It’s up to him now to produce for his next contract and help the Mets reach the postseason again.. Teams will be scared of him no matter what. I can only hope he has matured some from his experiences this offseason.
#LongTimeFan1 I of course was not trying to wish harm on anyone, and the money is guaranteed but I sincerely believe that counting on something that in all probability as a batting average is projected to be;… they would be better off with someone else in the lineup.
I doubt the Polar Beer will give any protection to Soto and the Mets unfortunately will figure that out to late and because of their ego will not make a change to fix it.
“While I think Alonso has periods of selfishness which annoy me, and I don’t like his big ego…”
100 % agree with you on that one; that’s why I was hoping against hope that they would sign him.
I think your wrong. Alonso is a threat in lineup no matter what so he will definitely protect Soto. I do agree he has periods of selfishness but he also was putting way too much pressure on himself for a mega contract. Hopefully he doesn’t do that again thinking his only choice is an opt out after this season.
As far as Mets ego moving anyone in lineup that couldn’t be further from the truth with Mendoza. He did it with Lindor and did it the entire season moved guys around. That was back in the days of Alderson and Wilpons and showalters hands were tied.
I would not have been disappointed if they didn’t sign Alonso but did want to see him break the HR record and we needed a bat behind Soto. There was no one left to sign. Bregman was not what we needed.
I think they will make a push for Vlad this trade deadline or after October.
“I doubt the Polar Beer will give any protection to Soto”
How? How would that work?
“Exceptional Availability” had some friends that were that way
Will he fire Boras now?
Now it is down to Bregman to see who can leave the most money on the table.
Our long national nightmare is over.
No, as a long time Mets fan the nightmare just started!
A 1 year deal for 30 million? That and they lost the qualifying offer attachment. Good grief
If Alonso has to pick up the option after this season this will suck for both of them.
What does the QO matter? He’s not signing with another team, he’s going back, who cares about the QO. It already served it’s purpose by dissuading potential suitors.
Also if players like Marte get multi year deals @ 19-22M how is Pete @ 30M/1 a bad deal?
Cuz the guy can no longer catch up to a fast ball and he only hit 5 home runs last year against quality teams.
As a long time Mets fan this really sucks!
I don’t recognize “home runs vs opponent quality” as a veritable stat. Like if he hit 99 home runs but all of them were against Paul Skenes that nonsensical stat would say “0 home runs vs quality teams”?
A (probably) 1 year deal for a guy with 40-50 hr potential is nothing to cry about.
You should recognize home runs vs opponent quality because if you get to the playoffs you are going to see the best opponent quality!
Secondly even though I loved it as a Mets fan it was a mistake for the Brewers to throw an 87-mph off-speed slider to a guy who can’t hit the fastball anymore. Maybe why the Brewers let him go.
Don’t count on other teams like the Dodgers to make that mistake; as they didn’t in the NL finals.
Pete whif% vs FB:
2019 23%
2020 21.4%
2021 21.9%
2022 17.9%
2023 17%
2024 17.6%
His swing and miss against FB is 36% which is identical to last year and the year prior.
His hard hit% in 2024 against FBs was 34.7% and his lowest until last year was 2020 @ 35.7% so what am I missing?
Also I’m 99% sure Williams threw his change which is one of the best pitches in the game
Mets made it to the NLDS thanks to one of his homeruns. He’s also somewhere in the top 5 of games played since his debut. I’m not much of a fan of his but you are being obtuse here. It’s not a long deal and he’s getting paid commensurate to others of his caliber in the league.
There’s actually a pretty good breakdown of Pete’s power and bat speed on mlb.com that says they’re both still near the top of the league and his barrel rate is above many of the leagues best hitters ♂️
Also if players like Marte get multi year deals @ 19-22M
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You can’t say that Player A’s deal is okay, simply because it wasn’t as bad as Player B’s deal, especially if Player B got severely overpaid.
Are you saying you can’t make contact comps? That’s exactly what contact negotiations are, that’s the entire conversation.
Also I don’t accept that Marte was severely overpaid.
To each their own, but $78M for a guy that old, to play a corner OF position, was just too long.
And you can compare any two contracts, in context. IOW, $30M/1 is a good contract, at least compared to bad contracts.
“And you can compare any two contracts, in context. IOW, $30M/1 is a good contract, at least compared to bad contracts.”
Joe, that was the point
Doubt the Phillies and Mets would want to help each other out, but Starling Marte is a Philly killer with insane numbers at CBP. We need RH OF’er that hits lefties, and Marte still has good enough speed and pop to be a productive part time player. The Mets would reportedly eat a big chunk of that contract, I propose Kody Clemens for Marte straight up with the Mets eating 12mil. The Mets could use a lefty swinging corner INF, the Phillies need a RH hitting OF’er. Just sayin.
#AC Surf Baseball
That is a lucid, intelligent, well-thought-out suggestion but I don’t think it will ever happen. But who knows Mets may trade Marte and Phils could pick him up?
wouldnt Kody just be another Baty?
@AC Surf
The concept is solid, but not for Clemens. His dad is hated by Met fans, and he isn’t good enough to overcome that.
Glad to see someone sticking up for Marte. I also think he’s got something left in the tank.
Pretty shocked to see so many Mets fans torn on this deal. It could just be for one year! Idk how you’d feel more confident in Vientos/ Baty than Vientos/ Alonso as your starting corner infielders…
So many comments that it’s hard to see if @MetsSchmets commented.
So, I wonder if, after Pete waited to see if anyone would give him truckloads of money before signing back in February, weeks before Spring Training, does he still want to yap that stupid ‘Pete will sign with the Mets out of loyalty’ stuff? I mean, even Steve Cohen who has the billions to make his fantasies come true, doesn’t even believe that fairy tale. And let’s not get into the ridiculously antiquated’ he loves playing in NY’ concept. Yeah, Pete loves NY and playing there as much as fellow Floridian Jacob DeGrom did…and rich SS Francisco Lindor expressed in press conferences prior to Uncle Stevie giving him $300 million.
Ahhh…guys who live in fantasy are fun! But @MetsSchmets might still be driving in traffic since that loyal, dedicated NYer lives in California.
Hey, but I’ll give you one. We know that Pete prefers to play in NY instead of Toronto because he gets to stay playing in the U.S. But don’t get delusional in thinking that, if all 30 teams could pay the same money, that Pete would take the Mets over his hometown Rays, or the other Florida team with the Marlins or the nearby Braves or regionally close Astros or Rangers. People love home. they don’t love the place that pays them. They love the place where they live and always lived in. NY pays Pete to stay there during the baseball season. But Pete pays Florida to live here when he’s not playing baseball in the offseason now, and when he retires, and for the rest of his life.
Derek Jeter lived in florida while playing for the Yankees. Jeter was even gm of the marlins every yankee should burn their jeter jersey as he absolutely hates the yankees and wants nothing to do with them and wanted to be a mr marlin not captain of the yankees.
Kershaw must also hate the Dodgers since he lives in Texas.
No over-reach in this astatement by you.
LMAO.
“He won’t sign with Mets” -SCAREDTOLEAVEHOMEBABY
SIgns with mets,
“He doesn’t care about money” -BANNEDMORON
Rejects multiple mets offers and waits until last minute to sign for 30M
Then you hop on here and gloat. LMAO. Everything I heard about Tampa being for the nations disregards is completely true lmaoooooooo You’re so far behind that you actually think you’re leading. Also, you’re a psychopath. LMAO ridiculously sad.
Gonna delete this account right after so cant even read ur sad comments
The inanity of this signing is obvious—ergo this is Cohen once again interfering in his competent PBOPs team-building.
Look at it this way: If you were the Mets GM and had an extra $30m to spend in 2025 (and clearly had the discretion to allot the same amount in future seasons),why would you ever spend that money on Alonso? And why would you wait until this late date to spend that money when you couldn’t know if your target would be available at your price and years? Worse, why would you ever decide to spend $47m on Montas and Alonso if you had the entire offseason to work?
(A) Alonso 1B + Vientos at 3B + Montas SP minus the opportunity cost of blocking the widest avenue for your three young players with the best chance in 2025 .of helping the MLB squad.
…or…
(B) Vientos 1B + Acuna-Mauricio-Baty 3B + Flaherty SP + $22m SP – Montas
…or…
(C) Vientos 1B + Acuna-Mauricio-Baty 3B + Flaherty SP + Kirby Yates RP + David Robertson – Montas
Only (B) and (C) or a close approximation of them make any sense
—–Acuna-Mauricio-Baty project to 2.5 fWAR at 3B in most projection system. Alonso projects to about that in most systems as well. The difference is that the salary of all of the first three combined sums to $2.6 million, while Alonso in 2025 will be getting $30 million.
There’s no chance Stearns went into this offseason knowing his payroll budget was $331 million and that he decided to wait Alonso out. How could he know for example that Alonso wouldn’t be offered 4/120m or 3/84m or any other deal Stearns wasn’t interested in matching? And if that happened, Alonso would be gone along with all the other bats at least one of which Stearns in this scenario would have thought he still needed.
Ergo it didn’t happen that way. This reeks of Cohen.
It’s also the case that if Stearns knew all along he had a $331m payroll, why did he skimp so obviously on the bullpen, adding the injured AJ Minter instead of making a run at Tanner Scott or Kirby Yates (1/13m)? Why did he settle for Ryne Stanek from the $4m Reliever aisle which burned Stearns so badly last offseason, when David Robertson and his extraordinary peripherals appears willing to work for 1/$10m or so?
Cohen. This stinks of Steve Cohen.
If you had billions and could treat the real MLB like MLB the Show set to no budget, would you not?
Cohen is just playing MLB the Show, but in real life. All the rest of us fans are just ants to him…or props that are in the stadiums like Stadium Creator. And other teams are just CPU to him.
Mr. Jackstrawb: Reeks, stinks, and ergo! Pretty amusing. “Opportunity cost of blocking the widest avenue for your three young players…”, now that’s a mouthful! So, Steve Cohen is the villain, huh? Not only that but he’s not only guilty of “inanity” but “obvious inanity”! That’s a riot. I think someone’s drinking too much coffee…