Would you consider Cherri bomb and Sir pentious an unexpected and odd couple?
I think I need to see more of their dynamics to say tbh!
which canon couples of the hellaverse do you think is considered an odd couple?
Hi!
Is Stolitz canon to you? If so, Stolitz. I mean, in-universe their story shakes society up LOL. Them together with Ozzie X Fizzie. Also, the teacher from episode one and the satanic mom who was killed in that same episode :P Their fanservice ship is hilarious tbh.
Thank you for the ask!
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Ngl, I've been out of the fndm because of the hiatus but I just rewatched some scenes from the mistral arc. And I was wondering if Yang has any Chinese Allusions going on for her? The wiki says that Bruce Lee is an inspiration but I find that kinda weak. If Yang has a chinese allusion that's from mythology or history, then what do you propose it could be?
Hi!
I have answered the question here. From the post linked:
I have wondered myself if there is some kind of allusion hidden behind Yang's chinese influence, but I could not find it. Maybe someone else did or will! Or it will become clear later on. In general, I think martial arts are a strong inspiration for Yang's character, so she might have been given Bruce Lee's name. After all, another inspiration for Yang is dragon ball's super sayan:
And someone suggested she might allude to Yang Guo from the return of the Condor Heroes, but I have not read the novel, so I am not sure this is true. I also don't think it's a problem she isn't called after her fairy tale. After all, only Weiss is directly called after it (Weiss Schnee as Snowhite literally). Blake's name means both black and white and it alludes to Blake being both Beast (black) and Beauty (White). However, it does so indirectly. The same goes for Ruby, whose name and surname are much more tied with alchemy, then her fairy tail. She is the philosophical stone (a ruby) and she is tied with rubedo, whose main flower is a red rose. Yang's name alludes to: -Her being linked to Citrinitas and to gold -Her being the sky-woman (a sunny dragon), so the Wise Woman in juxtaposition to Raven's Bad Mother -Her being the yang to Blake's yin -It ties indirectly to her allusion in how it alludes to the too hot (sunny dragon), which Yang definately is Probably something else I am missing :P
In short, I am not sure anon :') I think Yang is inspired by Bruce Lee, the Yin and Yang, the chinese dragon... oh and even if it is not Chinese, she is also Goku from Dragon Ball, I think. Her link to the dragon might tie into this, as well.
In general, she deconstructs the trope of the shonen hero, so I think much of her eastern inspiration comes from this. I am very curious to see if a specific Chinese allusion applies to her, though! Be that Yang Guo or something else. I think if so it will be made obvious later on! (Also, I think her western inspiration is low-key underrated :P)
Thank you for the ask!
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Penny for your thoughts?
I wanted to try drawing one of the unused Penny designs from the RWBY artbook, and I really thought it was a shame this one wasn't used. I think it's a brilliant combination of old-timey fashion and Penny, who as a character is more sci-fi-ish. I really liked that clock thing she has in this design and had the idea to make it a pocketwatch attached to the side of her dress, with the chain doing a bit of a grandfather clock thing. Maybe it's a disguised battery percentage thing. I also gave her robot knees (Because she's a normal girl with normal knees) because I really like her robot-ness and wanted to highlight it a little bit more, plus it works well in enhancing the sci-fi vs old-fashioned theme. I'd like to think this is a version of Penny in a universe in which she's not an Atlas military weapon, but she's still combat-ready. Maybe her father really wanted a huntress for a daughter. The tongue sticking out was just because I thought it was cute - everyone shut up, she's trying to focus!
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Ya know, Val more than likely isn't the brightest guy around. He's definitely dumb as tits when it comes to business stuff and basic operation.
But like...
Hear me out, I think Valentino is considerably more emotionally intelligent and perceptive than people assume him to be in both canon and the fandom.
He knows that throwing a temper tantrum at Velvette's department will get Vox to drop everything and come to calm him down. Though Vox condescends to him, he dishes it just as easily back and even anticipates that telling Vox about Alastor will set him off... something that greatly amused him in the moment after he dished about Angel and was ignored.
He knows well enough not to pick a fight he can't win with Charlie... which is surprising enough since he previously claimed he wanted to storm down to her hotel and murder everybody. Instead, he holds his tongue and slinks back to Angel, roughing up him and his mentality so that Angel will stop Charlie before she can do anything to correct the situation. It's actually pretty emotionally smart and manipulative.
Anyways I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I just wanted to say that Val is dumb, but he's not stupid. Not when it comes to emotionally reading others around him and acting on it. He has charm and passion, he can read people and understand their emotions and then he can use it effectively as abusively as he desires. And that's what makes him such a great villain in my opinion.
This is an excellent point! Though, I would argue that he's not stupid, but he's also not dumb either. This is a man who uses a charming, approachable appearance (eg. the way he interacted with Charlie) to wrap people around his finger before he eventually shows his true colors. And I would bet that that line of thinking passes to his display of intelligence as well.
Valentino isn't stupid. Like he said in episode 2, he owns "every loser this side of hell" and you don't reach that level of success and power by relying on other people (Vox and Velvette) to handle his business and the more "strategic" aspects of ruling a domain.
So, the way Valentino masks his true intentions is the same way he masks his intelligence. He isn't stupid, he just WANTS people to think he is. He WANTS them to underestimate him and that (I would argue subconcious) technique works like a charm. It certainly works on Vox who, from the way we've seen, thinks he can "tame" Valentino (ep 2) and completely fails to realize the man is manipulating him the entire time. Vox's confidence and arrogance with how he thinks Valentino's petulance and whiny attitude is just how he is, blinds him to the fact that Valentino uses that arrogance to toy with him. If Valentino truly intended to barge into the hotel and start shooting everyone then he would have, he's not someone who can be tied down against his will. He's not someone who can be controlled or dissuaded from something when he doesn't want to be. When he wants something, he gets it. Which leaves the conclusion that he terorrized Velvettes studio because he WANTED Vox to come to him. Because he KNEW that Vox would. Whether because he wanted to ruin Vox's day, get his attention, have someone to bitch to or to string him about a bit and enjoy a show. Valentino knew perfectly well how revealing Alastor’s return would affect Vox and he withheld that information deliberately. That switch in mood from murderous to bratty when he disclosed what he knows is the moment he drops the act, the antics he was pulling for seemingly no reason other than fun.
I'd wager that he even has a grip on Velvette despite us as the audience witnessing how she doesn't take any of his bullshit. But, that's the thing, he KNOWS she isn't the type to put up with his theatrics, so he doesn't target her specifically. What he does is use her as a stepping block to instead achieve something else. He targets her studio not because he wants her company or to annoy her, but because he knows she will put that chore onto VOX'S shoulders instead. That's why he kills off Velvette's employees instead of Vox's, because he doesn't need to.
I also don't think it's a surprise that the two people closest to him apart from Velvette are Angel Dust and Vox. One of them is a member of the mafia who grew up in the early 20th century, a time where queerness was spurned and demonized, not to mention dangerous and illegal. Angel as a gay man has undoubtedly had a difficult life, he's proud of who he is but it doesn't mean everyone else was as well (his father, brother and overall society in general). So what does he think when he meets someone who flaunts his queerness with confidence and assertiveness, someone who not only is proud of his identity, but who actively uses it openly to rise to the top. Angel latches onto him, Valentino is like a drug to Angel's self-image. He is impressive in the way Angel hopes too be and to have Valentino's attention on him becomes almost essential, hence where the cycle of abuse and dependency begins.
And on the other hand we have Vox, someone who also grew up in the 20th century but whose life took a marginally different path. Instead of embracing his queerness to spite society the way Angel does, Vox masks it. He shrouds himself in this image of a socially acceptable heterosexual man, the type who would only be caught in a nuclear family, the type who would never "associate" himself with the lgbtq community and he uses that advantage as a shield, to hide his true identity because he views his bisexuality as a weakness, as something that would impede his ascent to power. Then, he meets this sinner who is unashamedly vocal about his queerness, from his words, his body language, his clothing, his mannerisms, everything about Valentino represents what Vox is afraid of - and that is being SEEN. To watch someone so freely express himself and yet be so powerful and influential like Valentino is also like a drug to Vox the same way it is for Angel. Valentino gives Vox the confidence, the FREEDOM, Vox didn't know he could be capable of.
And Valentino KNOWS this. He knows it about both of them. While they might be two sides of the same coin, completely different in how they handle being queer, they share one thing: Valentino. Valentino who represents freedom, bravery, safety. And what does Valentino do with that knowledge? He USES it. He's more than well aware of the effect he has on others and he holds no qualms in twisting their emotional dependency to his benefit.
He is manipulative, and worst of all he's smart. Not just socially, but emotionally he is incredibly intelligent. He simply thrives off of people underestimating him, he WANTS them to think he isn't smart and that's where the emotional intelligence radiates, he wants them to think that he's not as big of a threat as everyone makes him out to be, when in reality that line of thinking, that way of manipulation, makes him one of the most dangerous sinners in hell.
Op don't leave this in the tags! I'm thinking the same thing about his past, mostly because his defense-mechanisms mirror Angel's in almost the exact same way. He uses his good looks and skills of seduction to get what he needs. When Charlie first comes to the studio Valentino's first instinct was to try to seduce her, and when he saw that method wouldn't work he immediately changed tactics. He saw how anxious and uncomfortable she was so he became more friendly, moderating how strongly he came on to her before. He invited her in and told her to enjoy the show despite wanting to do the exact opposite and throw her out.
The only difference between Val and Angel is that Angel uses that defense-mechanism to make himself less threatening, to divert even the slightest suspicion that he didn't have control over his life/job, while Valentino uses it to assert dominance and it does beg the question how Angel would evolve should Valentino die (and especially without Charlie showing Angel kindness). How would he use his experience and talent to not only free himself but to gain power with it. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happened with Valentino. He clearly knows the porn industry well, so it wouldn't be too far of a fetch to assume he had been a sex worker at some point. Everything listed in the post previously raises intrigue about his past, what he's been through, what combination of factors, environment and people were at play to create someone like him.
I heavily agree!
The parallels between Angel and Val's actions are really there, but like you said, Val does it because his control is slipping and he wants to reclaim dominance (it seemingly makes him anxious too in the club scene in Ep6).
It does strike me how Angel talks in Ep4 where he does mirror Val's actions and throws the glass at Husk's head.
Taken from here
It strikes me that when Angel and Val are both insecure and are losing their grip on a situation, they both get flirtatious and reassert (desperately) that people would be LUCKY to have someone sexy like them come onto them.
"That fucking slut walked out on me! Me! I fucking made him!" *a few lines later* "Now which of these makes me look sexier~?"
Angel clearly learn his coping methods from Val but like you said, uses it out of desperation.
When Val's control on a situation slips, he reacts violently and assaults to get it back quickly. Especially if his hot image is questioned in front of others like in the club scene. With Vox's camera following him constantly no less.
So yeah, I think it's a rather reasonable assumption to think that Val probably started out in Angel's position at some point and clawed his way to the top as one Hell's most vicious and cruel Overlords.
His posters all over his room seem to point to former sex work anyways since they look like the Angel promotions as well. I think there is a definite cycle in the sex industry in hell that's be pointed to with the similarities between Val and Angel (and Staticmoth and Huskerdust to a deeper extent).
Of course, I can be totally wrong. Likely Val has always been a piece of shit, but I do think that be brought through the ringer of the sex industry can make a true relentless bastard out of anyone... so I'm intrigued....
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Anonymous asked:
What do you think of Charlie as a character?
Love her. Dare I say she's one of the better protagonists I've seen recently. She manages to be both deeply flawed and extremely likable, a balance that is very hard to pull off.
Charlie's the hero with the end goal of the series as her own end goal: redeem sinners. Her goal is endorsed by the series, but her methods? Her understanding of what redemption means? Not so much. Yet it's not so clear as Charlie is wrong--she has her heart in the right place. She's just a broken child herself, seeking to heal herself through healing others--which Hazbin Hotel is nuanced enough to acknowledge can be codependent but is not necessarily so.
Charlie occasionally makes really naive decisions and relies on everyone around her for wisdom, because she doesn't have it herself. She loves everyone around her desperately, which is beautiful, and the show shows that said love doesn't have to be perfect or unselfish or wise to still matter. That is its own kind of inspiring.
As Charlie continues to get closer and closer to the people around her, she's going to see not just the flaws of her loved ones, but her own flaws. Currently she has a very childish view of what makes redemption and believes everyone deserves forgiveness. Which the show agrees with her on in theory; however, it's highly likely the show is going to explore the complexities of actually living this out.
For example, forgiving Vaggie this season, which is likely to be a continued theme for Charlie when she finds out just what Lilith's been up to (and that Lilith's former desire to protect sinners essentially seems to have been cast aside to enjoy heaven herself), and when the disastrous consequences of whatever her deal with Alastor results in hit.
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Guess who just lost her job cause of the tariffs! :D
Gonna open commissions soon!!! :DDD
While I work on getting this post organized, you can support me over on ko-fi if you feel so inclined. 💕☕
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Have you read Sunrise of the Reaping or do you plan to? What is your favorite Hunger Games book?
I have yet to read it but I have read spoilers (this is how I read things; I do not enjoy suspense at all!). I will certainly be reading it.
So without considering SOTR, Catching Fire is my favorite of the original trilogy, but I think The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is my favorite overall. I think TBOSAS lacks some of the weaknesses of the original trilogy--namely, the love triangle (and specifically the Gale angle) and the somewhat fumbled ending (specifically Finnick's death).
It also is a more mature story with layers and layers of complexity and braided themes that I could write essays about (maybe I will finally write an meta on it). It's more ambitious and riskier than the trilogy in a lot of ways, but it also lands everything well while Mockingjay stumbled a bit towards the ending (didn't fall though!). You need nuance to understand the story because it is saying something daring about humanity and free will and love.
I also was really impressed by how Collins played with people's expectations for the prequel. Generally, people see "prequel focusing on villain mentoring girl" and all of us instantly clocked it as falling into the extremely well-worn "good boy lost girl and then lost his soul and purpose in life and turned evil to make everyone else pay for his loss." You know, the woobifying story to make the villain sympathetic or something.
And the ironic thing is, this is kinda the story. However, it's much more psychological and deep than the average of this trope, and it spins expectations on its head. There's no woobifying, but there's also no caricaturing. Collins wrote a full-fledged Shakesperean tragedy wherein the boy's downfall is his own flaws, not just the absence of a good girl. In fact, he's the reason for her absence.
The end result is a much more chilling look at Coriolanus Snow. Yes, he is sympathetic, but he's so very human, and he makes all the wrong choices. A human who had the potential to be so, so good and yet via feeding trauma and fear turns out to be a cruel, controlling fascist exactly like the person he most feared--well, that's a far scarier villain than your average one-note power-hungry maniac.
Maybe I will write that TBOSAS meta...
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Blake 🖤
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my piece for the @fragmentsoffatezine ⏰
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I posted this new Catwoman pulp-style cover from deviantArt yesterday, but didn’t realize they changed the formatting of the sharing feature recently, so it didn’t really post the image. Here are all three of my covers (so far? I dunno) in this series.
what do you of Charlie as a main character, her development through season 1 , and how her development will continue in season 2 now that Sir Pentious is in heaven and the Vees being the main antagonists.
Hi!
I looooooooooooooove Charlie <3 She is my second favorite character in the whole Hellaverse (after Lucifer) and I think she is one of my favorite protagonists ever.
As a main character, I like her for three reasons.
Charlie is at the centre of her story. I HATE when the story tells us the protagonist is important, but they end up having no impact whatsoever. Charlie is instead very active and shapes the conflict, in both good ways and bad ways. She comes up with the Hazbin Hotel project, she goes to meet Adam, she has the idea of speaking with Sera. It is her passion, which inspires both Angel and Pentious to try to be better. It is her bravery, which irks Adam and has him target the hotel. It is her and Vaggie, who find a way to protect Hell. Basically, you take Charlie away, the story disappears.
Charlie is very flawed. The second worse thing after a protagonist who does nothing is a protagonist who is always right. Thankfully Charlie is a disaster. She fails to both listen to others and to express herself. She wants to redeem people, but has no idea how. She doesn't understand neither others nor herself. Even when she is right, she is so for the wrong reasons. Charlie is a person with a lot of potential. She is powerful, inventive, charismatic, smart and determined. And yet, she fails to capitalize on all these talents because she doesn't wanna face the negative things about herself and the world. She is Miss Repression.
Charlie is a complex character. In fact, I think she is more complex than people give her credit for. A good example of this is her motivations. Charlie has two reasons to pursue her Hazbin Hotel Project:
- She wants to save the sinners and to build a better Kingdom (selfless reason) > external journey
- She wants to matter and to be needed by others (selfish reason) > internal journey
A good way to understand this double journey is to look at Charlie's two major inspirations.
CHARLIE = RAPUNZEL + JACK SKELLINGTON
Design-wise Charlie is a mix between Disney's Rapunzel and Jack Skellington.
Both Charlie and Rapunzel are blond princesses that wear their hair tied into a long braid. Not only that, but their hair is linked to their inner magic:
- Rapunzel's hair is associated with the sun, so it can both heal and explode into a beam of light.
- Charlie's hair is a metaphor of her feelings. She usually represses her emotions, so her hair is restrained. However, when she enters her demon form and unleashes her power, her hair gets untied.
Both Charlie and Jack Skellington are tall, white, humanoid demons, who wear tuxedos with bow ties. Charlie's allusion to Jack is even made official in some arts:
So, Charlie looks like both a Disney Princess and the Pumpkin King. What about it? Well, the point is that the Princess of Hell doesn't just look the part, but shares deep similarities with both characters.
Charlie is a (tame) deconstruction of the Disney Princess archetype. She is a princess, who is cheerful, optimistic, selfless, good to the bone and likes singing. So, everyone loves her right? Wrong. The world around her isn't as easily impressed by her spirit, but misunderstands it and mocks her. So, Charlie is basically Rapunzel if Raps were met with a cynical world the moment she escaped the tower:
He's got a dream He's got a dream See, I ain't as cruel and vicious as I seem Though I do like breaking femurs You can count me with the dreamers Like everybody else I've got a dream
Inside of every demon is a rainbow! Inside every sinner is a shiny smile! Inside of every creepy hatchet-wielding maniac, Is a jolly, happy, cupcake-loving child!
Rapunzel enters a sinister inn, shares her personal dream and is validated and understood by a bunch of bandits. Charlie explains her well-meaning goal to all of Hell and is humiliated and laughed at by everyone.
Charlie is a Disney Princess in Hell, who wants to grow into a leader who inspires others. However, it does not come easily to her, like it does to Rapunzel.
Charlie's external journey is a deconstruction and reconstruction of the Disney Princess archetype. Which struggles must a Disney Princess face in Hell? How can a Disney Song get through literal demons? How can Charlie maintain her idealism in the hellish world she is in?
Charlie and Jack face very similar struggles. They are the royals of a Kingdom full of fear, screams and pain. However, both are tired of it and decide to change it:
- Jack wants to bring Christmas (warm, joy and goodness) in Halloween Town
- Charlie founds the Hazbin Hotel to redeem sinners, so those people the universe itself has dismissed as lost
The intentions are good, but Jack and Charlie are not completely selfless, as they pursue them.
This is clear for Jack. The Pumpkin King is forcing Halloween Town to embrace a twisted version of Christmas, so that he can fill his existential void. Deep down Jack wants to change, but he embraces a superficial transformation (Sandy Klaus), instead than a deeper one (Sally).
Charlie is the same, even if she might not look like it. The Princess of Hell wants to redeem sinners, so that she can redeem her parents and so her very existence. She wants to make Hell a better place, sure. However, she wants to do so to prove she has value. Similarly to Jack, she is also superficial in her methods. Jack thinks all he has to do to understand Christmas is to color himself red:
Charlie thinks all she has to do to save others is to give them hugs and fluffy clouds:
Both look for superficial solutions to deep internal issues and complicated societal problems.
Charlie's internal journey is similar to Jack's. Both struggle with their most vulnerable and hidden parts (their shadow), wear masks (personas) and grow thanks to romantic partners (their animus/anima).
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Oh hell to the YEAH
Hopefully this means we will soon start hearing more about volume 10