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I wanna have a conversation. Anyone who isn't a Muslim. Anyone who isn't actively pro-Palestine. I want to understand why. I am not trying to be mean I want to understand why.

I think this is a good post, and I hope you get a lot of good responses. I am worried that many people who may feel inclined to answer, won’t. I think many people, and I’m speaking at least for myself and any Jews who share my mindset, may be hesitant to reply to this because they don’t know if they fit your criteria.

I consider myself pro-Palestine. I’m sure you know this from talking to me for so long. However, many people at least in the west like to tell Jews what we are and are not. They call us Zionists when we are not. They tell us that we can’t be both pro Israel and pro Palestine when we feel very “pro” about both peoples.

I’m pro-Palestinian welfare and sovereignty. I’m not anti-Palestinian statehood. But I also support Israeli statehood and Jewish people living safely in a self governed area of the Levant which includes our temples and ancient places. Despite this, as you know, I’m not a Zionist for many personal reasons but I’m also not anti-Zionist. I’m simply non-Zionist. I don’t know where that falls in the category of people you’re hoping to hear from though.

Also, just for clarity, are you asking WHY people who aren’t Muslim aren’t Muslim? Or are you asking that only non-Muslims reply?

I'm with Eden on all of this, although I do consider myself a Zionist under the true definition of "I believe Jews are indigenous to the Levant and deserve sovereignty in our own ancestral land" as opposed to whatever shit the TikTok crowd is spewing this week.

I'd also add that while I believe Israel does and should exist, that doesn't mean I support its current regime. Likud and its coalition are a scourge and the reason Netanyahu won't just keel over and shit himself to death is because it's antithetical to his nature to do anything that betters the world.

All that said, I refuse to call myself "pro-Palestine" because in the West it's become code for "I hate Jews, and don't actually care about real Palestinians. They're a convenient prop for my antisemitism but I won't do anything to actually support them." They're Nazis without the balls to admit they're Nazis.

yeah, "pro-Palestine" is like "pro-life" that way: if looking only at what each word in the phrase means, who'd be against it? but the people who call themselves that either haven't thought any further than that surface meaning themselves and are unwilling to listen to anyone explaining the damage they're doing to the people they're supposedly helping—not least because, who would be against it? dangerous people, that's who—or they're doing that damage on purpose

EXACTLY. If you asked me to define my feelings on Palestine in a single sentence, I'd say "I'm in favor of peace between Israel and Palestine and freedom and sovereignty for both Israelis and Palestinians." Apparently this makes me a genocide supporter, according to propals.

That said, I also think that freedom has to come from somewhere else. Namely, Iran is the one funding groups like Hamas and the Houthis. Gaza could technically be its own free country already. But Iran paid for an extremist group to come in and immediately destroy the place. When Israel left they left behind greenhouses, water desalination plants, and an electrical plant. Gaza doesn't have a ton of natural resources, but it does have some oil and could have turned a nice little profit on the world stage. With peace in the area they might have opened their own tourism or exporting industries.

Instead Hamas destroyed the infrastructure. And now we are here.

If Gaza is to have a future, Hamas needs to go.

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All those Jewish students and no one caught the randomly misspelled Hebrew? (Hello zayns my little friends, hello het what a lovely surprise, hello nun with a cute little tail you definitely stole from bet)

It’s almost like the Hebrew is there to be decorative and convince non-Jewish onlookers that these rallies have more support from Hebrew-speaking people than they actually do.

It’s “decorative hebrew” or “ pseudo hebrew” only there to add an oriental flair and a Judaic aesthetic 

You’re telling me for decades Edward Said claimed to grow up in Palestine when he actually grew up in the richest neighborhood in Cairo?

And the pro-coexistence Jewish philosopher Said publicly accused of stealing “his” house after 1948 just rented the basement from Said’s uncle before Said’s aunt had the guy & his family evicted in 1942?

What a fucking grifter.

Like, imagine a guy claimed he & his parents narrowly escaped Rwanda with their lives in 1993, and he became one of the most famous & well-respected Rwandan Genocide scholars, but then it came out he had been living in Beverly Hills the entire time, and his dad actually left Rwanda 30-40 years earlier and owned like 3 houses around LA.

Edward Said was not displaced from his home in Jerusalem in 1947 by a military invasion, but do you know who was?

If you guessed Martin Buber, the aforementioned Jewish philosopher Said falsely accused of taking his home…

…you’d be right.

it’s sad how resentment & shame can make you contort your understanding of yourself and your history in a way that denies you the ability to take pride in who you actually are.

like “I grew up in Egypt on an island in the Nile River” is kickass, are you kidding me?? I’d be proud as fuck if that were me!

I can tell there are so many interesting memories I’m sure he and his family could tell about his aunt and uncle’s house if they cared to preserve them. they had a consulate upstairs and a philosopher in the basement. heads of state met there. they literally had a prince staying in their attic at one point?? hello????

the truth is so much more interesting than the fiction!

and as there often are, there are grains of truth to the story:

  • he is Palestinian and was born in Palestine. his mom gave birth to him while they were visiting family there.
  • it’s not like the house wasn’t important to him; it was his uncle’s house & he clearly had some fond memories from visiting it. he has every right to feel sad about no longer being able to visit
  • Buber did live there. just not when Said thought he did. but I guess “my aunt and uncle are landlords who evicted the Jew in their basement” is less sympathetic than “that Jew personally victimized me by taking my house”
  • there were Palestinians who were displaced around that time; his immediate family just weren’t among them, and the circumstances for why they supposedly left are heavily distorted. he could advocate for the people actually affected instead of making it about himself

he could still talk about real and perceived injustices and tragedies in the I/P conflict without distorting reality. but that wasn’t enough. he needed to make himself the victim.

This is a fantastic misrepresentation of the commentary article.

I'd like to say first off that calling out a magazine as "Jewish" in your first paragraph is not a good start. But also, nothing in this hagiographic Guardian article contradicts anything in the Commentary article. Weiner never claims that Said never spent time in Jerusalem, only that it wasn't his permanent residence. That the house he called "my beautiful old home" was not his home. That's where the contention on Said's refugee status comes from; it's not that he wasn't forced out, but that he wasn't forced out of his home. The comparison to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany is therefore a non sequitur

Similarly, Weiner never makes the claim that Said never spent time at St George, but that he wasn't enrolled there as a student, and that the person he claims to have known well doesn't remember him at all. None of this is contradicted by the Guardian piece, which spends most of its length smearing praise on Said's undoubtedly influential and impactful career

@underestimated-heroine is just embarrassed because she's been directing people to Said as an expert on Palestine, and has only now learned that he was revealed to be lying about his personal history a quarter of a century ago.

Said personal history being the only claim he ever had to being an authority on Palestinian, Arabic, or any other kind of history, given that all of his degrees are in literature.

(Also, she cites on her blog a quote of his arguing that Palestine is more Arabic than Jewish because there is a longer history of Arabs as the dominant power than of Israelites as the dominant power which... aside from the historical and factual errors, "it belongs to us because we did such a good job of brutally conquering it, subjugating and murdering the actual indigenous people, and them holding on to it as part of our empire" is quite a take from someone treated as a preeminent scholar against colonialism.)

that first tweet is so true in general, but idk who that is and had to look him up

the video is a clip of him talking about vaccines saving lives

gosh, I wonder why a Jewish man born in Soviet Russia might have thoughts about this.

He literally hasn’t said a word about Israel. He’s just Jewish.

His crime is being Jewish.

The crime is ALWAYS just being Jewish

Once again proving that “Zionist” means “Jewish”

“Ashkenazi Jews are white” i can’t even count how many times people have thought I’m Iranian.

Apparently Russian Jews, on their documents their “race” is listed as Jew.

Take that as you wish.

Hi. This is true. Yes as a first generation Jewish-American who's family immigrated from the USSR I can tell you my Gen-X parents had Jewish and their tribe written on their legal documents.

Both Mizrahi and Ashkenazi Jews deal with that. Personally am Mizrahi and there are Ashkenazi Jewish people who have darker skin and curlier hair than me.

The person who told me this is millennial; their Gen Z relatives have Jew on their paperwork as well.

I’m adding so there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind, it’s very much still happening.

I don’t think Americans realize that outside the US, you’re a Jew first, regardless of your nationality.

Russian Jew, Iranian Jew, French Jew. It doesn’t matter where you’re from, you’re a Jew first. The only distinction is how well we’re tolerated.

As Golda Meir said to Henry Kissinger, “In Hebrew, we read right to left.”

I don’t think Americans realize that outside the US, you’re a Jew first, regardless of your nationality.

This was a rude awakening for me when I studied abroad in college. I had always thought of myself as a white person of Irish and Russian descent who just happens to be Jewish. But in Europe, I was suddenly an American JEW who happens to have Irish and Russian ancestry.

My grandparents who came on a boat from the Pale of Settlement… what was on their race section?

Hebrew.

But people really wanna act like Jews aren’t racialized in America in less than a century since.

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if you complain about this poll missing an option you are getting blocked. click the first one and explain in the tags. i only have 12 options and cannot change this after it is published. i tried to include the most substantial, unique cultural identities in the usa. if you are unsure, reference this

There's no Mid-Atlantic and since that includes NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, and several other big cities, I think you're missing a big one.

I was talking to my sibling and referred to my sister-in-law as "your lady wife" then realized how weird that must sound if you're not familiar with Lazslo Cravensworth.

I might text them about this.

when i go in a room and forget what i needed i become a point and click protagonist. [water bottle?] that’s not helpful right now. [socks?] i don’t know what to do with that. [charger?] that’s not helpful right now. [scissors?] i can’t do anything with that. [water bottle?] that’s not helpful right now. [lone paperclip?] that’s not helpful right now. [water bottle?]

/s

Good to know non-indigenous Americans can call themselves indigenous now since we've spent a few centuries here! No more Land Back Movement needed!

Probably the weirdest way someone has agreed with me that Israeli jews are indigenous but alright

what the FUCK do people think indigenous means, I’m actually losing my mind over here 😭 yeah, by that logic they’re agreeing with you, but it really is a shining example of the enduring antisemitic leftist tendency to try and define marginalized groups by their oppression rather than literally any other quality.

This says so much about leftist/anarchist antisemites, really. The mark of True Indigeneity is being "spiritually incapable" of uprooting a fucking TREE?! Fetishizing Palestinians as some kind of flower-children who Live In Harmony With Nature, incapable of the evils of land development? Amanda, I think you need to find a better way of dealing with your own ancestral guilt.

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