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Still occasionally think about that one post about how americans on the internet push back against anti US military rhetoric in a way they don't do with anti cop rhetoric because, unlike their police, the victims of the US military are mainly foreigners, and then some yank cunt decided to show up to do the standard you don't get it the military is made up of poverty-stricken uneducated kids who were fed propaganda :((((( etc etc shtick but also decided to go with "meanwhile the police can straight up murder you, steal your property and kill your dog with no consequences" like sorry friend what exactly do you think your military does.

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Literally the perfect encapsulation of how americans legitimately don't conceptualize the violence and terror that the US military enacts as a real thing simply because they're used to thinking of the victims as faceless offscreen abstract masses.

Cops kill and steal. Meanwhile soldiers sign up and then the screen fades to black until they come back traumatized and missing a limb. That's all they do. They sign up and then come back broken, and whatever they did imbetween happened offscreen so it doesn't matter.

Also the absolute hilarity of "how often the police union and most rural police forces have been infiltrated by literal nazis" being listed as a difference between the police and the military.

Because as we know, "shooting guns at (mostly brown) foreigners" is not a career path that tends to be disproportionately attractive to a significant number of nazis. Not at all.

Antics like this were the exact thing that squid games was criticizing. It does not at all surprise me that this is the same man who tried to make the show real. He's literally created the Torment Nexus in real life

I donโ€™t mean to be rude; but I donโ€™t think Iโ€™ve ever seen this, does anyone have any examples?

  • Supernatural
  • Doctor Who (Steven Moffat specifically)
  • Sherlock (Steven Moffat specifically)
  • Actually Steven Moffat is basically just this sentiment given human form.
  • A version of this happened with The Magicians, tbh. Though instead of expectation: men, reality: women it was expectation: smug nihilists, reality: mentally ill queer folks.
  • Arguably Game of Thrones.

If we broaden it outside of televisionโ€ฆI think Star Wars falls into this, at least the sequel trilogy. Maybe the MCU as well. And I canโ€™t help but think of every band thatโ€™s ever complained that their fanbase is mostly women. 5 Seconds of Summer comes immediately to mind.

In general, most white male creators seem to have this massively entitled mindset where they wantโ€“and think they deserveโ€“the time, attention, and enthusiasm that creative fandom (i.e. the side of fandom more dominated by women) is known for.

They want our eyes for ratings, our word-of-mouth for free publicity, our metas for social media buzz, and our spending power for merch and cons. But they donโ€™t want us. And they donโ€™t really want the responsibility of telling a story to a thoughtful, engaged audience, regardless of that audienceโ€™s demographic makeup. They just want to be praised for whatever schlock they cough up.

And like any other spoiled brat, they will break their toys before they share them.

It goes all the way to the top for kids shows. Toy sales will crash a show. Makes sense, but if those toys are gendered for boys instead of the female viewers, they wonโ€™t usually switch up the marketing and move them to the girl aisle. They cancel the show outright.

Mind you it is perfectly possible to make the switch in marketing, but execs would rather throw it all out than have something that doesnโ€™t perform well with male viewers. For example the Rey merch was not expected to be popular, for some reason, there had to be public outcry to get merch of one of the main 3 protagonists. A PROTAGONIST. The fact that she wasnโ€™t a huge part of the 1st launch says a lot already.

And what happened when female fans got too invested in the Sequel Trilogy? The entire writers room didnโ€™t necessarily lash out, but they sure forgot how to behave.

#WhereIsRey (initial)

#WhereIsRey (ongoing)

Youโ€™re all sitting on the hot take of the decade tbh

And yet when they fond out that boys were watching MLP:FIM in droves, they had NO PROBLEM with it.

The 100 too. Iโ€™ll never forget how Jason Rothenberg would attacked female fans on Twitter and mock them in interviews, and then post links to male fan discussions on Reddit to praise and thank them. In his goodbye letter to the show he SPECIFICALLY thanked Reddit and it was so disgusting.

Star Trek from TNG on was also a boyโ€™s club, even though the TOS fans were mostly women. Women, in fact, who literally created modern fandom with their zines. But after TNG it was all, โ€œWomen donโ€™t understand Star Trek, only smart men hur dur.โ€

I think it would be harder for us to find examples of when this DIDNT happen than when it did. It happens all the time.

Doesnโ€™t stop it from boggling the mind

(though it could probably start to make some sense if you follow the money past audience bases to maybe a couple of investors or like a rich patron โ€ฆ ๐Ÿค”)

Stooooop I just wrote a masters thesis on this shit. Media creation and distribution is a means by which dominant power structures consolidate their hegemony. Dominantly situated creators get upset when the audience they attract isnโ€™t the audience they wanted, because they view the whole creation and sharing of the fiction as an exercise to sustain kyriarchal conditions that benefit themselves. When the audience is Other, they see it as a failure of those efforts and lash out.

Simply, theyโ€™re trying to assert a particular worldview via fiction, and upon getting confronted with something else, begin foot stamping. Itโ€™s not just men wanting male attention and gatekeeping. Itโ€™s that the fiction in the first place was an attempt to curate dominance and whoopsie! they miscalculated.

(anyway if anyone wants to read 35k words of philosophy about this, hmu)

I think a lot about an interview I heard with Bo Burnham a few years ago, where he talks about this phenomenon with his own work. He gained a large audience of teenage girls, and people in comedy spaces would look down on him for that or say what a shame it was, but he responded differently:

โ€œThe real truth is, I would perform my show and I would meet kids after and young girls would come up to me and they understood what I was expressing in that bit onstage way more than guys my own age. Way more. So if there was a bridge between us that I had to cross to write the movie [Eighth Grade], it was built to me by them. I felt understood by them before I presumed to understand them.โ€

Instead of trying to change his comedy, he decided to lean into and celebrate the audience that he actually had by making a movie specifically about the experiences of a teenage girl. Itโ€™s fascinating to hear him talk about how he got there, but also to acknowledge how rare that reaction is.

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