Someone will tell you "The Giovanni are the mafia clan"

and that will give you literally NOTHING about their actual deal and I find that super funny.

Someone once asked me to sum up the clans in a sentence or two and when I got to the Giovanni I went "The Godfather, with more incest and Necromancy"

Out of Touch

Out of Touch Thursday

OUT OF TOUCH THURSDAY

but im out of my head when you’re not around…

The strangest part about the whole Worm-Zizians-BTB thing that's going on (which I haven't been following too closely, to be fair), is that I haven't seen the book being described with any sort of accuracy even once. It's not like gritty superhero deconstructions are something niche or esoteric, Invincible and The Boys are in the cultural zeitgeist right now.

I mean, I think the strangest part about all this is the fact that a Rationalist Death Cult killed people.

TIL that there's a canon trans Drukhari Wych Succubus. Like actually stated that she used to be male, but after reaching this rank she transitioned into being a female Drukhari and seems to be totally cool with it.

Slay.

See the funny thing is, Queerphobia just doesn't really seem to be a thing with any faction in 40k.

One novel mentions a trans Sororitas. The Mechanicus are on levels of Gender we can't even concieve The Imperial Guard actually prefer battlefield relationships to be same gender, less chance of battlefield pregnancies. (Well some commanders anyway)

... Which again, just makes me wonder, how the fuck the 40k fandom got to this point. Homosexuality is "hErEsY" to them, let alone a character being trans or enby.

Which is funny, considering Emps himself is nonbinary. Like, actually stated to be one.

Because and I say this with the all the good will in the world. The homophobes in the fandom are loud, obnoxious and there's not that many of them.

If there was, GWs stocks would have crashed following the Femstodes stuff, the trans tech priests etc etc.

But the stocks are through the roof. GW is one of the only companies that does well year on year. There are bigots in the fandom, and they make things a problem for everyone else. But they are the minority.

I'm openly, proudly trans. I work in a store where I sell warhammer to the general public and I never once have had someone complain about "Wokehammer" or the Female Custodes or anything like that.

I again say this with all the good will in the world, internet fandom spaces are always going to exaggerate to one extent or the other. Most people just wanna buy their minis, paint their little dudes, read their books and play the Video Games.

The experiences vary for everyone and while your perspective is a relief, it's not really anyone's fault when they just keep running into the bigoted fans that can't keep their mouths shut, that they start thinking that the fanbase sucks.

You mentioned the Female Custodes, which, yes, did not tank GW's stocks even a little bit. But the way some of the more popular content creators for 40k reacted to that reveal is... less than pleasant. Some even keep perpetuating the meme that the Female Custodes are a work of Tzeentch to this day. Some dismissed the addition, just to blow up when Tithes Episode 2 dropped. I'm actually pretty sure a certain popular artist had a meltdown over that episode on Twitter (Not calling names here, this could've been a translation error. I sure fucking hope it was a translation error, because otherwise.... eugh). That is not to mention some very bigoted people (by bigoted I mean actual nazis, like using hate symbols and dogwhistles such as "The Black Sun" and "V" and "Z") that get away with being horrible people just because they draw nice art.

So, yes, I KNOW they're a minority, but they're so loud and are often enabled or excused, which makes it really, really hard not to get discouraged and turned off by the fanbase :( Idk, maybe it's "baby's first encounter with neonazis in her fandom space", because in my previous fandoms (save for Fallout, maybe) there never were those kinds of people, or, at the very least, they were dealt with appropriately! It still sucks. No fandom should ever be a safe space for bigots of any variety.

Idk, I lived through a Neo-Nazi riot last year in my home town. Ever since then Fandom shit just washes off me. Idiots screaming about Warhammer being woke online can never compare to being locked in my place of work as fascists smashed up the city outside.

No the fandom shouldn't be a safe place for bigots. But ultimately, screeching morons on the internet aren't going to make me afraid. They're not gonna stop me loving Warhammer.

Yeah, as someone who almost got arrested for anti-war protests (2022) and who continues to see what is essentially a swastika everywhere in my hometown, I really get you and that sounds absolutely terrifying. Which, I guess, is why I'm so sensitive to fandom idiots. I just... I just want to have SOME kind of safe space, because reality is anything but safe for me now. Some form of escape.

Which is why you are right. I should not let those people ruin my enjoyment of Warhammer. If it makes me feel good, then that's enough. Screw the rest of the fanbase.

My genuine advice? Make a space for you and your friends and tell the rest of the wider fandom to go to the Warp. Large fandom spaces are full of drama and infighting and bigotry and bullshit.

I just talk about the stuff I enjoy with my friends/small communities and dont really engage in wider fandom stuff and I'm so much happier for it.

I'm sorry things are scary for you right now. Here's hoping to a better tomorrow.

TIL that there's a canon trans Drukhari Wych Succubus. Like actually stated that she used to be male, but after reaching this rank she transitioned into being a female Drukhari and seems to be totally cool with it.

Slay.

See the funny thing is, Queerphobia just doesn't really seem to be a thing with any faction in 40k.

One novel mentions a trans Sororitas. The Mechanicus are on levels of Gender we can't even concieve The Imperial Guard actually prefer battlefield relationships to be same gender, less chance of battlefield pregnancies. (Well some commanders anyway)

... Which again, just makes me wonder, how the fuck the 40k fandom got to this point. Homosexuality is "hErEsY" to them, let alone a character being trans or enby.

Which is funny, considering Emps himself is nonbinary. Like, actually stated to be one.

Because and I say this with the all the good will in the world. The homophobes in the fandom are loud, obnoxious and there's not that many of them.

If there was, GWs stocks would have crashed following the Femstodes stuff, the trans tech priests etc etc.

But the stocks are through the roof. GW is one of the only companies that does well year on year. There are bigots in the fandom, and they make things a problem for everyone else. But they are the minority.

I'm openly, proudly trans. I work in a store where I sell warhammer to the general public and I never once have had someone complain about "Wokehammer" or the Female Custodes or anything like that.

I again say this with all the good will in the world, internet fandom spaces are always going to exaggerate to one extent or the other. Most people just wanna buy their minis, paint their little dudes, read their books and play the Video Games.

The experiences vary for everyone and while your perspective is a relief, it's not really anyone's fault when they just keep running into the bigoted fans that can't keep their mouths shut, that they start thinking that the fanbase sucks.

You mentioned the Female Custodes, which, yes, did not tank GW's stocks even a little bit. But the way some of the more popular content creators for 40k reacted to that reveal is... less than pleasant. Some even keep perpetuating the meme that the Female Custodes are a work of Tzeentch to this day. Some dismissed the addition, just to blow up when Tithes Episode 2 dropped. I'm actually pretty sure a certain popular artist had a meltdown over that episode on Twitter (Not calling names here, this could've been a translation error. I sure fucking hope it was a translation error, because otherwise.... eugh). That is not to mention some very bigoted people (by bigoted I mean actual nazis, like using hate symbols and dogwhistles such as "The Black Sun" and "V" and "Z") that get away with being horrible people just because they draw nice art.

So, yes, I KNOW they're a minority, but they're so loud and are often enabled or excused, which makes it really, really hard not to get discouraged and turned off by the fanbase :( Idk, maybe it's "baby's first encounter with neonazis in her fandom space", because in my previous fandoms (save for Fallout, maybe) there never were those kinds of people, or, at the very least, they were dealt with appropriately! It still sucks. No fandom should ever be a safe space for bigots of any variety.

Idk, I lived through a Neo-Nazi riot last year in my home town. Ever since then Fandom shit just washes off me. Idiots screaming about Warhammer being woke online can never compare to being locked in my place of work as fascists smashed up the city outside.

No the fandom shouldn't be a safe place for bigots. But ultimately, screeching morons on the internet aren't going to make me afraid. They're not gonna stop me loving Warhammer.

TIL that there's a canon trans Drukhari Wych Succubus. Like actually stated that she used to be male, but after reaching this rank she transitioned into being a female Drukhari and seems to be totally cool with it.

Slay.

See the funny thing is, Queerphobia just doesn't really seem to be a thing with any faction in 40k.

One novel mentions a trans Sororitas. The Mechanicus are on levels of Gender we can't even concieve The Imperial Guard actually prefer battlefield relationships to be same gender, less chance of battlefield pregnancies. (Well some commanders anyway)

... Which again, just makes me wonder, how the fuck the 40k fandom got to this point. Homosexuality is "hErEsY" to them, let alone a character being trans or enby.

Which is funny, considering Emps himself is nonbinary. Like, actually stated to be one.

Because and I say this with the all the good will in the world. The homophobes in the fandom are loud, obnoxious and there's not that many of them.

If there was, GWs stocks would have crashed following the Femstodes stuff, the trans tech priests etc etc.

But the stocks are through the roof. GW is one of the only companies that does well year on year. There are bigots in the fandom, and they make things a problem for everyone else. But they are the minority.

I'm openly, proudly trans. I work in a store where I sell warhammer to the general public and I never once have had someone complain about "Wokehammer" or the Female Custodes or anything like that.

I again say this with all the good will in the world, internet fandom spaces are always going to exaggerate to one extent or the other. Most people just wanna buy their minis, paint their little dudes, read their books and play the Video Games.

TIL that there's a canon trans Drukhari Wych Succubus. Like actually stated that she used to be male, but after reaching this rank she transitioned into being a female Drukhari and seems to be totally cool with it.

Slay.

See the funny thing is, Queerphobia just doesn't really seem to be a thing with any faction in 40k.

One novel mentions a trans Sororitas. The Mechanicus are on levels of Gender we can't even concieve The Imperial Guard actually prefer battlefield relationships to be same gender, less chance of battlefield pregnancies. (Well some commanders anyway)

Do Space Marines adopt superficial physical features from their Gene-Seed?

Like, does an Astartes wake up and their nose now matches Guilimans? Or that their Cheekbones are sharper, like Fulgrims? Does a Blood Angel wake up with a long blond locks when they’d had tight black curls?

As minor as it is to every other change a Space Marine goes through, i can imagine it’d be trippy

Personally I think that gene-seed more affects Astartes thinking and behaviour patterns to match their Primarchs' more than their physical attributes, such as looks.

Sure gene-seed has whole stock of "default" body modifications which all Astartes get and thus on that regard all of them are identical no matter which legion, but every stock of gene-seeds does include parts of different primarchs, such as their mentality, behaviour, thinking and characteristics.

So while I do not think Marine will wake up suddenly looking like their Primarch, they will develop behaviours, emotions and thinking of their Primarch.

I second the idea that Astartes adopt behavioral patterns of their Primarch, but there is also evidence that physical changes also take place due to the strong genetic influence of the Primarchs. For example, Space Wolves develop lupine features over time; Salamanders have jet-black skin and glowing red eyes, a trait enhanced by their homeworld but rooted in their gene-seed; Raven Guard typically have pale skin and black hair, whereas Blood Angels tend to be fairer (with elongated canines, hehe).

However, I believe not every gene-seed is equally potent. For example, Ultramarines tend to have a more standard human appearance, with Rob's genetic influence manifesting more in mental and tactical traits.

You are so right, I did forgot Space Wolves 😂 yeah they are probs the most exceptional in their Astartes looks becoming more werewolf like once Leman's gene-seed is put into them

But as far as Salamanders, Night Lords and Raven Guard go, I always thought that's how in general population looked like on those planets.

Nocturne is highly seismic and radioactive, both Kiavahr and Nostramo are worlds surrounded by darkness and barely luke warm suns, which did not produce enough light, so to me it seems that inhabiting humans' biology evolved to adapt on those planets, that's why Astartes kinda look like their Primarchs, just because everyone kinda does, even simple humans.

Tho I also always tought Vulkan was normal at start but mutated while on Nocturne. Corvus and Konrad are in general gremlins who were lucky to land in dark gremlin planets 😂

Hmm, I know very little lore about Salamanders, so yeah, I might be mistaken here (do they all have dark skin and red eyes? I never thought about this before but now I do lol)

I FORGOT TO ADD MY LUNA WOLVES! Some of them look like Horus in one way or another - but not all, which is also funny: like some Astartes really transform very well and some are like "nah, man" (Loken, I'm looking at you!). The best example: Little Horus Aximand, the little copy & paste. But I've also found this in Horus Rising:

I guess it all depends on the primarch's DNA strength 🤔

Yes all the Salamanders get the dark skin and eyes. Its because of a mutation in their geneseed. Same reason the Raven Guard are all pale, just in reverse.

Celestine x Greyfax

I think the reason I prefer DC is because I kind of like that they throw out their continuity every few years and then you have to relearn everything, it's much easier to get into than Marvel where you need to know everything immediately, lmfao.

I mean it can also equally be ass because sometimes they never reintroduce that continuity, but still...

I'd actually take it a bit further - I think that in order for stories that are meant to essentially go on forever to work you HAVE to do periodic reboots, and DC vs Marvel illustrates why. DC and Marvel have both written really stupid shit about their characters. The sort of stupid shit that actually kind of ruins them, and makes it hard to think of them as really being heroes. But DC reboots itself periodically. Usually the most popular shit, the stuff everyone liked or already thought was true about the characters gets carried over. Everything everyone hated or agreed was stupid stops being canon, and no one has to think of it as anything other than a dumb anecdote. The fact Jason Todd once ate a dude is funny trivia, it's not something anyone needs to reconcile with his character in the comics NOW cuz it hasn't been canon for years. With Marvel... because everything that has ever happened in any Marvel comic is still canon, basically none of the major heroes are particularly heroic. Most of them can barely even be considered good people anymore. Carol Danvers is an antisemitic Fascist. Peter Parker sold his marriage and the soul of his unborn daughter to the Devil. Kamala Khan cheerleads for racist white people who tell her Islamophobia isn't real. Tony Stark literally established interdimensional Guantanamo Bay in the torture dimension in service of Bush-Era Fascistic ideals, and every hero who sided with him in Civil War was a fascist too. Quicksilver manipulated his mentally unwell sister into committing Genocide, and everyone NEVER lets her forget it. The X-Men formed a Racial Supremacist, Ethnonationalist, Nazi Apologist, Genocidal Death Cult during the Krakoa era. Kitty Pryde has said the N-Word like three fucking times. All this shit is still canon and Marvel's solution is "just ignore it", because the comics never really ADDRESS any of it in any meaningful way, because there's no possible way to make it okay in-universe. All of these characters have so much baggage, where they've either personally done or were at directly involved in shit so heinous that it's impossible to overlook, and the solution presented by Marvel is "Well just overlook it!" Believe me - DC ain't perfect and still make bad fucking choices. But the periodic reboots mean there's no backlog of bullshit on top of those bad fucking choices. It rarely gets to a point where a mainline DC character has done so much heinous shit that they become impossible to think of as a hero. Whereas with Marvel - every dumb editorial mandate, every edgy shock-value story, every poorly thought out attempt to get political about subjects the writers knew fuck all about and refused to research - it's ALL part of who these characters are forever. And the result is an entire universe of Superheroes who are truly horrific people, with the burden being put on the reader to just pretend like they're not.

This is why the original Ultimate Universe was the best. Because when they did bad things, the onus was on the characters to do better. And if they don't, there are actual consequences.

The original Ultimate Universe suuuucked, dude. Everyone was a bad person and the "Consequences" were just a result of how miserable and edgy everything was. There's a good reason why the only thing to stick around after the Ultimate Universe ended was Miles - and that's cuz Miles was the only good thing to come out of it. The Ultimate Universe gave us such hits as "The A on my head doesn't stand for France", "Wanda and Pietro are fucking", "Magneto does a Genocide and declares himself a god" "Hank Pym tortures Janet Van Dyne with bug spray", "HULK HORNY", "Janet Van Dyne gets fucking eaten by the Blob", and all the other extremely dumb shit the Ultimate Universe did. I'm just saying the Grass is not always greener.

Okay, someone never read Ultimate FF. Also, what about Ultimate Jessica Drew? And the Hydra reveal before Secret Wars (from what I know, the only thing from his civilian supporting cast not to be kept, sadly) also all of those things could happen in 616, some of the examples are exaggerated versions of things that they did there. also look you're not even bringing up "Black Widow actually bad and the sex tape of her and Tony Stark is leaked and that somehow saves the world, also this will be the basis for our new superhero film universe and she will also be in the team there too. and the wanda/pietro will be directly intended in Age of Ultron before we give up like cowards and don't do Ultimatum (then don't keep the equivalent either) NO CONSEQUENCES 616 FOREVER (also f you ultimate universe we're adapting 616 now, and we're so faithful our big daddy calls us 616)"

Original Ultimate FF only gave us something good with the Maker. It wasn't dark and edgy because they wanted it to be "Realistic" or "Have Consequences" it was that way cause one of the main writer's lost his son and was going through probably the most traumatic thing most parents could live through, it showed in the work.

This isn't a judgement on the work, its what happened.

Sure 616 has a lot of garbage in it too, but you'll note this entire post comes from people criticising 616. Also the New Ultimate Verse very clearly is a deconstruction of 616 rather than a straight adaptation.

And having Captain America show up and say "Lets kill some Nazis" before going on to fight dudes dressed like the Punisher, or Luke Cage starting prison revolutions, or Vibranium becoming corrupted, sentient and mad because of the horrors of colonialism inflicted upon Africa shows the new Ultimate Verse has had more to say in a year than old ultimate had to in ten.

Was there some good in the old Ultimate Verse, sure.

But lets not pretend it was this paradise of brilliant character writing.

If you want a dark comic where characters mistakes and refusal to grow as people leads to world shattering consequences? Invincible and the Walking Dead are right there and two of the best comics of the last 40 years.

Tumblr User @satin-polar this one's for you

I think the reason I prefer DC is because I kind of like that they throw out their continuity every few years and then you have to relearn everything, it's much easier to get into than Marvel where you need to know everything immediately, lmfao.

I mean it can also equally be ass because sometimes they never reintroduce that continuity, but still...

I'd actually take it a bit further - I think that in order for stories that are meant to essentially go on forever to work you HAVE to do periodic reboots, and DC vs Marvel illustrates why. DC and Marvel have both written really stupid shit about their characters. The sort of stupid shit that actually kind of ruins them, and makes it hard to think of them as really being heroes. But DC reboots itself periodically. Usually the most popular shit, the stuff everyone liked or already thought was true about the characters gets carried over. Everything everyone hated or agreed was stupid stops being canon, and no one has to think of it as anything other than a dumb anecdote. The fact Jason Todd once ate a dude is funny trivia, it's not something anyone needs to reconcile with his character in the comics NOW cuz it hasn't been canon for years. With Marvel... because everything that has ever happened in any Marvel comic is still canon, basically none of the major heroes are particularly heroic. Most of them can barely even be considered good people anymore. Carol Danvers is an antisemitic Fascist. Peter Parker sold his marriage and the soul of his unborn daughter to the Devil. Kamala Khan cheerleads for racist white people who tell her Islamophobia isn't real. Tony Stark literally established interdimensional Guantanamo Bay in the torture dimension in service of Bush-Era Fascistic ideals, and every hero who sided with him in Civil War was a fascist too. Quicksilver manipulated his mentally unwell sister into committing Genocide, and everyone NEVER lets her forget it. The X-Men formed a Racial Supremacist, Ethnonationalist, Nazi Apologist, Genocidal Death Cult during the Krakoa era. Kitty Pryde has said the N-Word like three fucking times. All this shit is still canon and Marvel's solution is "just ignore it", because the comics never really ADDRESS any of it in any meaningful way, because there's no possible way to make it okay in-universe. All of these characters have so much baggage, where they've either personally done or were at directly involved in shit so heinous that it's impossible to overlook, and the solution presented by Marvel is "Well just overlook it!" Believe me - DC ain't perfect and still make bad fucking choices. But the periodic reboots mean there's no backlog of bullshit on top of those bad fucking choices. It rarely gets to a point where a mainline DC character has done so much heinous shit that they become impossible to think of as a hero. Whereas with Marvel - every dumb editorial mandate, every edgy shock-value story, every poorly thought out attempt to get political about subjects the writers knew fuck all about and refused to research - it's ALL part of who these characters are forever. And the result is an entire universe of Superheroes who are truly horrific people, with the burden being put on the reader to just pretend like they're not.

Like, One More Day makes 616 Peter one of the Worst Spider-People in the entire multiverse. And its gonna stay that way until they undo it.

But why would they do that when they can bring Gwen Stacey back from the dead and give her Wolverine powers instead?

Reading the Walking Dead cuz I'm quickly growing to love Robert Kirkman's stuff, and I feel like an idiot because I only just clocked that Invincible's symbol is the image comics logo.