Gaza is being massacred because of our silence.
And you still believe it's about hostages.
Okay then, return the hostages.
Prove it. If it's "not about the hostages," then why keep them?
Also,
Don't think I don't know where that red hand comes from.
Wasn't there a deal when there was a ceasefire to trade hostages??!
And who decided no ceasefire and no trading hostages??!
And now Palestinian has to choose between giving up on their prisoners in Israel prison or getting bombarded for the rest of their lives
Ask yourselves what decisions each side had to make and you will know which side is causing this whole bloodshed.
Wasn't there a deal when there was a ceasefire to trade hostages??!
a) Yes, and Hamas reneged on it.
And who decided no ceasefire and no trading hostages??!
Again, Hamas did. Just like they did in the Dec 2023 prisoner exchange.
And why not? Since Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist, gets all their money and power from stealing billions in foreign aid to Gaza, and brutally tortures and executes anyone who disagrees with them.
And Israel's terms to end the war have been clear from the very beginning: a) Return all hostages, b) Hamas has to surrender.
Do you really think Hamas is going to surrender? Give up everything they have, and render the last 15 months of endless fighting that they started all for nothing?
up all that money and power and their iron hold on
And now Palestinian has to choose between giving up on their prisoners in Israel prison or getting bombarded for the rest of their lives
Aww, poor baby. Killing and kidnapping Jews has consequences.
For both Palestinian prisoners who got arrested for attacking Jews, and Palestinian terrorists who gleefully murdered and kidnapped Jews on Oct 7th to use them as bargaining chips instead of, oh, I don't know--
Here's a thought: the Palestinian can give up waging jihad against al-Yahud, return the hostages, and make peace with the Jews instead of constantly trying to dominate or exterminate us.
Because I know what this is really about: Pan-Arab nationalism. Muslims supremacy. Ridding Jews of any agency, homeland, power, or standing army; reducing Jews to powerless dhimmi in a Muslim land.
Ask yourselves what decisions each side had to make and you will know which side is causing this whole bloodshed.
"Each side" nothing.
Name ONE WAR between Isarel and Arabs that wasn't started by Arabs.
In fact, let's go back further.
Let's start marking all violent crimes and massacred out by Muslims against the Jews till the 1970's. This is a very comprehensive list, so I'll just focus on the last 125 years:
▪ 1901–1902: 3rd Cairo massacre, Ottoman Egypt
▪ 1901–1907: 4th Alexandria massacres, Ottoman Egypt
▪ 1903: 1st Port Said massacres, Ottoman Egypt
▪ 1903–1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco
▪ 1904: massacre of Jews in Yemen
▪ 1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco
▪ 1908: 2nd Port Said massacre, Ottoman Egypt
▪ 1909: comment from the British vice-consul of Mosul: “The attitude of Muslims towards Christians and Jews is that of a master towards his slaves.”
▪ 1910: blood libel of Shiraz
▪ 1911: Shiraz pogrom
▪ 1912: 4th Fez, Pogrom, Morocco
▪ 1914: expulsion of Jews from Palestine old enough to bear arms by the Ottomans
▪ 1917: Jewish Inquisition of Baghdadi, Ottoman Empire
▪ 1918–1948: adoption of a law prohibiting the raising of a Jewish orphan, Yemen
▪ 1920: Irbid massacres: British mandate in Palestine
▪ 1920–1930: Arab riots, British Mandate Palestine
▪ 1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British Mandate Palestine
▪ 1922: Massacres of Djerba, Tunisia
▪ 1922: law of forced conversion of orphans in Yemen, concerning Jews including as adults
▪ 1927: 60 Jews killed by Arabs in the Mellah of Casablanca Morocco
▪ 1928: Massacres of Ikhwan, in Egypt and under British mandate in Palestine.
▪ 1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery and forced to convert to Islam by the Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen
▪ 1929: anti-Jewish riots, British mandate: in August 1929, the Jews demanded the construction of the Western Wall; pogroms in Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed. To stop the violence, the British rejected this request
▪ 1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom under British Mandate of Palestine.
▪ 1929 3rd pogrom in Safed under British Mandate of Palestine.
▪ 1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate in Palestine.
▪ 1934: Anti-Jewish pogrom in Constantine Algeria. 200 Jewish stores were raided, the total material damage was estimated at more than 150 million francs. It also sent a quarter of Constantine’s Jewish population into poverty.
▪ 1934: Pogroms in Thrace, Türkiye
▪ 1934: 1st massacres in Farhud, Iraq
▪ 1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British Mandate Palestine
▪ 1936: 2nd massacre of Farhud, Irak
▪ 1938: boycott of Jews in Egypt
▪ 1939: discovery of 3 bombs in synagogues in Cairo
▪ 1941 : 3rd massacre de Farhud, Iraq
▪ 1941: persecution of Jews in Libya
▪ 1941: massacre of Jews in Baghdad, with the support of the authorities: approx. 170 dead
▪ 1942: Collaboration of the mufti with the Nazis. Played a role in the Final Solution
▪ 1942: Struma disaster, Türkiye
▪ 1942: Nile Delta pogroms, Egypt
▪ 1938–1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis
▪ 1942: discriminatory tax law of Varlik Vergisi in Turkey against Jews and Christians
▪ 1942: looting of Jewish property in Benghazi and deportation to the desert
▪ 1944: attack on the Jewish quarter of Damascus
▪ 1945: anti-Jewish and anti-Christian riots in Egypt; churches and synagogues destroyed
▪ 1945: 4th Cairo massacre, Egypt
▪ 1945: Pogrom of Tripoli, Libya
▪ 1947: segregation measures against Jews in Egypt
▪ 1947: pogrom in Libya; approx. 130 dead
▪ 1947 : Pogroms d’Aden au Yemen
▪ 1947: 3rd pogrom d’Alep, Syrie
▪ 1948: “emptying” of the Jewish quarter of Damascus, Syria
▪ 1948: 1st Arab-Israeli war (1 Jew killed in 100)
▪ 1948 : Oujda & Jerada Pogroms, Morocco
▪ 1948: 1st Libyan Inquisition of the Jews
▪ 1948: attacks by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood against Jewish traders
▪ 1950: massive departure of Jews from Arab countries
▪ 1951: 2nd Libyan Inquisition of the Jews
▪ 1952: anti-Jewish and anti-Christian pogroms in Suez
▪ 1954: assassinations and attacks in Algeria affecting the Jewish community, the desecration and destruction of 30 synagogues are attributed to Muslim populations.
▪ The desecration in 1960 of the synagogue of Algiers as well as the cemetery of Oran,
▪ 1954: Massacre of Sidi Kacem. 6 Jews were beaten and then burned alive with their children.
▪ 1955: anti-Jewish and Christian riots in Türkiye; looting of churches and Jewish stores
▪ 1955: attack on the rabbi of Batna,
▪ 1956: fire in a synagogue in Oran,
▪ 1956: in response to the attack on Suez, Nasser expels almost all Jews from Egypt, around 90,000 people, and confiscates their property
▪ 1957: murder of the rabbi of Nedroma,
▪ 1957: murder of the rabbi of Médéa,
▪ 1957–1962: attacks in the Jewish neighborhoods of Oran and Constantine.
▪ 1961: grenade thrown into a synagogue in Boghari, Bousaada,
▪ 1961: ransacking of the Casbah synagogue in Algiers,
▪ September 2, 1961, the assassination of a Jewish hairdresser in Oran and anti-Jewish attacks
▪ 1955 : 3rd pogrom d’Istanbul, Turkey
▪ 1955: anti-Jewish riots in Izmir
▪ 1956: 1st Egyptian Inquisition of the Jews
▪ 1956: in response to the attack on Suez, Nasser expels tens of thousands of Jews and confiscates their property
▪ 1960: a Saudi newspaper describes Eichmann: “the man who can be proud of having killed five million Jews”
▪ 1961: in Algeria, assassination of Jewish musician Sheik Raymond
▪ 1962: desecration of the Jewish cemetery of Oran
▪ 1962 : pogrom d’Oran
▪ July 5, 1962, a few days after the independence of Algeria, between 900 and 1,300 Europeans, notably Jews, were massacred in Oran.
▪ 1964: the Egyptian army weekly notes: “In essence, the Jew has no qualifications to bear arms.”
▪ 1964: Nasser tells a German neo-Nazi newspaper: “No one takes seriously the lie of 6 million murdered Jews”
▪ 1965: the Egyptian military manual presents the war against Israel as a jihad and quotes the Koran: “kill them wherever you reach them”
▪ 1965: wave of anti-Semitism in Algeria; flight of the Jewish community
▪ 1965: pogrom in Aden
▪ 1965: 5th pogrom in Fez, Morocco
▪ 1967: 2nd Egyptian Inquisition of the Jews
▪ 1967: Egyptian Jews are herded into camps during the Six Day War
▪ 1967: pogrom in Libya during the Six Day War
▪ 1967: pogroms in Tunisia
▪ 1967: the World Islamic Congress in Amman declares that Jews living in Arab countries must be considered “mortal enemies”
▪ 1967: pogrom in Aden
▪ 1967: arson of the great synagogue of Tunis
▪ 1967: riots in Tunis, Tunisia
▪ 1967: World Islamic Congress in Jordan; it was decided that all Muslim governments must treat Jews “as mortal enemies”.
▪ 1967: publication in Egypt of the anti-Semitic text “The Protocol of the Elders of Zion”
▪ 1967: pogrom and looting of Jewish stores in Tunisia
▪ 1969: Khomeini delivers thirteen speeches in Najaf which will be the basis of his book “The
Islamic Government”; he develops the theme of hatred of Jews, accused of conspiring against Islam everywhere
▪ 1969: execution of Jews in Baghdad
▪ 1970: flight SR-330 Zurich — Tel Aviv crashes in a forest near Würenlingen, killing all 47 occupants. A bomb planted by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine exploded 9 minutes after takeoff
▪ 1979: start of the flight of 200,000 Iranian Jews after the Islamist revolution.
"Strangely, Palestinians have historically never been involved in any massacre of Jews — because they never existed before the 1960s."
Zahir Muhsein in an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977:
"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons!"
All to return to that "golden age" of Muslim supremacy and non-Muslim dhimmis being separate-but-inferior under Sharia Law.
You reject and don't believe what you see in reality and had to bring some sources that have no actual evidence, you're simply ignoring the children and the citizens who are getting burned alive everyday and because simply the Jewish were being massacred before so it's okay for Israel to burn people and kill children everyday and doing massacre that is nothing like it in history, and since you believe it's all for a good cause and to save the Jewish from the Arab, what arab exactly are you afraid of? Because what we see that arab leaders can't even help Palestinian because if they do that America will choke them with every possible way i seriously wonder who needs to do a brain check here!!
The hostages exchange was going smoothly and everything was okay we had a ceasefire the bloodshed stopped, Palestinians was getting There humanitarian aid slowly and everything was ok
Until Trump said it clearly he is going to give Gaza to Israel because it needs to expand and he said Palestinians can't live in this land because it's all rubles , and after Netanyahu saw that Palestinian will not give up There land and move to Egypt or Jordan as Trump said he decided that he will not have it this way he will change the rules to wipe out Gaza to get more land so he will be remembered as the one who expanded Israel not caring for hostages or anything just clear annihilation for gaza, rafah and jabalia
During the ceasefire Hamas didn't attempt any attack, actually it was Israel who still bombing houses in the first days of ceasefire what pissed Israel off was that Hamas was showing off and was held as heroes all over gaza and even the world, why ? Because simply they are a liberation movement i know you're gonna laugh at this but people will favour a liberation movement over a colonization state, and that's what you hate to admit .
" because they never existed before 1960"
I had to laugh at this you seriously made up a history with no Palestinian before 1960 you denied their existence to prove your point, seriously??!
a) Between the two of us, I'm the one who's provided any actual links or evidence to support my claims. You've provided none.
b) I spent all day trying to think of a thorough response (knowing you wouldn't read it anyway), until I remembered what you said earlier:
And now Palestinian has to choose between giving up on their prisoners in Israel prison or getting bombarded for the rest of their lives
So you basically admitted you're keeping the hostages to extract future prisoner exchanges, proving that Israel does care about its hostages.
You also let slip the either/ore scenario of: "Palestinian has to choose between giving up on their prisoners [by giving up the hostages] or getting bombarded [by keeping the hostages]."
If Israel truly didn't care about the hostages and keeping/returning them didn't make a difference,
a) Hamas wouldn't have bothered to take them to begin with because they knew they wouldn't be able to extract any prisoner exchanges from an indifferent Israeli government.
b) Israel wouldn't have agreed to ANY temporary ceasefire agreements or prison swaps since the war began.
c) Israel wouldn't have agreed to give dozens/hundreds of Palestinian prisoners per hostage.
You don't get to admit you're keeping the hostages to extort more prisoner exchanges in one breath and then claim "it's not about the hostages because israel doesn't care about the hostages" in the other breath.
This is what ACTUAL government indifference to their civilians' well-being looks like.
Another thing: whichever side broke the ceasefire or hasn’t been negotiating in good faith for a ceasefire (and I will even concede that Israel could have done better on both fronts) is immaterial if the fact that Hamas taking hostages, Hamas holding hostages, and Hamas not returning hostages are all blatant violations of international law, according to no less of an authority than the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. Hamas is not legally entitled to use hostages as bargaining chips for anything, in the same way as bank robbers holding hostages are not legally entitled to trade them for a chance to escape or a part of the loot.
"Hamas taking hostages, Hamas holding hostages, and Hamas not returning hostages are all blatant violations of international law, according to no less of an authority than the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE."
BOOM! Couldn't have said it better myself.
"Hamas is not legally entitled to use hostages as bargaining chips for anything, in the same way as bank robbers holding hostages are not legally entitled to trade them for a chance to escape or a part of the loot."
BAM! *Mic drop*
Isn't there also a massive protest by Palestinians against Hamas since they blame Hamas for the continuation of the war?
Funny how people like op always ignore what Palestinians themselves are doing. Unless, of course, it's hamas propaganda that lets them justify hating Israel.