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THE WHEEL OF TIME TIDBITS

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In The Wheel Of Time Tidbits you can find interesting but less known or long forgotten facts and tidbits for your favourite fantasy series The Wheel Of Time. Also you can find WOT related humour, artwork and fun. I am LightOne. BE AWARE THIS BLOG CONTAINS SPOILERS.
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I have to say, I really am enjoying Moiraine's obsessiveness about the dragon/Rand in this latest season, because they're showing how unhealthy it is.

She can't look away from him, not even for a second. The fear that something might happen if she does - the equal fear that nothing will happen. That it's all for nothing. Reaching out to him blindly after their shared ordeal, clinging because she has made this boy her life's work.

And I like that Rand sees that. It bothers him and he doesn't like it, and he calls her out because it's the Dragon she serves, not Rand, but in the end he can't leave her alone in that empty city because she's only there because of him. He feels his duty to protect her unwavering loyalty to his cause even if he resents it.

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RJ’s notes Part 70 by Linda Taglieri

SEANCHAN

The ability to channel is regarded by the Seanchan as evil, the cause of the Breaking and perhaps a thing of the Dark One. A dark taint, as Tuon said. The Seanchan believe that women who can channel are dangerous because they will use the Power against others to gain advantage, therefore for the safety of society they must be collared with an a’dam, a ter’angreal that creates an involuntary link between two women with the sul’dam bracelet-wearer in control (see Ter’angreal article for how the ter’angreal works), or else be killed.

But killing them is now regarded as extremely wasteful. Free, these women are too dangerous to be allowed, but collared they are more than useful, they are a cornerstone of Seanchan society and civilization. The prototype was created by Deain, an Aes Sedai in Seanchan, in an attempt to curry favor with Luthair Paendrag. She eventually was collared herself, after it was learned that women who could learn to channel but had not yet learned could wear the bracelet.

The percentages [of channellers] run higher among the Seanchan than among people east of the Aryth Ocean because, although they have been culling men who can channel out of the population as vigorously as is done anywhere, they have not removed any women who can learn from the breeding population. Thus, the number of women who have some ability (inborn or otherwise) runs at something over 1.5%, as opposed to the 0.5% east of the Aryth Ocean…Since the position is one eagerly sought, very few, if any, women who can become sul’dam fail to do so if they can manage it!

Once a woman has been tested with the collar, and passed by failing, she is tested with a bracelet, to see if she can link with the damane wearing its collar. Women who can do so become sul’dam, with only a few refusing this position. It is the law to search for sul’dam, even in newly conquered lands where they might not share the Seanchan attitude to enslaving channelers.

Once identified and collared, the damane no longer has any rights as a citizen, or even as a human. Traditionally, all her possessions were burned, but current custom is that the clothes she was wearing at the time are burned—as happens with novices and apprentice Wise Ones. The remainder of a damane’s possessions go to the Empress, who redistributes ninety percent of her possessions, in some cases to the family of the woman if the loss of it would cause hardship.

There is shame for a family in the discovery that a daughter of theirs has the potential, yet this shame is mitigated somewhat by aiding in the discovery. Families act as if the one discovered is no longer of their blood, and those who have the means, especially nobles (no one is exempt from the searching, not even the Imperial family), actually have records changed to erase the existence of the girl.

These women are regarded, in a way, as no longer really human (though no one would put it that way), as if they had suddenly been revealed to actually be vicious leopards. For the safety of everyone such a beast cannot be allowed to run loose in the streets, yet their nature is altered somewhat by being collared. There is still a thrill of terror at being close to a collared woman, yet it is like seeing the leopard in a cage under the control of an animal trainer.

As what the women can do is evil (despite so much in Seanchan society depending on it; perhaps better to say potentially evil if uncontrolled, the true current view), so the women themselves are tainted by evil. Some purists (a scarce handful) believe the women should be killed just as males discovered channelling are, but their usefulness as weapons and in other ways keeps this from being more than a very minority view.

By far most of them are the property of the Imperial family, yet many of the Blood will own several, and non-nobles also are allowed to acquire one. More than one, for a non-noble, would be considered getting above their station. They are quite expensive, though. Like a racehorse.

Among nobles and the wealthy it is a status symbol to own at least one. The more owned, the more status, yet the owners must be careful, since they are powerful weapons, not to own so many that it seems they might be acquiring a stockpile of weapons, which can bring the attentions of the Seekers. To counter their status as weapons, it is the custom among nobles (and those wealthy non-nobles who dare to ape the ways of nobles to some extent) to use the collared women in as many frivolous ways as possible. (Example: giving a ball where the lamps contain no oil (or there are no lamps) but illumination is provided by a collared woman or two. Or having one perform tricks with the One Power for entertainment, mixed in with jugglers and tumblers and musicians, of course, so that it is plain she is no more than a dancing bear or trained leopard.)

The clothes she wears, the food she eats, the bed she sleeps in, are all gifts from the sul’dam. and if a sul’dam chooses that she go naked, eat dirt and sleep in a stable, so it will be. In actual practice, other sul’dam would not allow such long except as punishment; damane are valuable, for one thing. For another, it is viewed in the same way that we would view someone mistreating or abusing a horse or a dog. Threatening these things is part of the training method used by some sul'dam with new damane. The normal attitude of most sul'dam toward damane is that of someone toward a well-trained dog or horse; real affection is often present. Frequently, it is returned.

The discovery that they “have a dark taint” and are unnatural to the point of not being human is horrifying to Seanchan damane.

Some would like to die. Most regard what has happened to them as right and proper, almost as a fitting punishment for their “crime and evil” and a chance to expiate same through service. Very few would feel any injustice (or desire to escape), and most of those see it more as fate dealing them an unjust hand than as any injustice on the part of those who picked them out or the [sul’dam] who control them. Most but not all of the rebellious ones are from the nobility, perhaps thinking that their station in life (their former station) should have kept them from this in some way.

Conversely those former damane that have been released from their collars on the mainland who have gotten used to freedom would still have feelings of near guilt at not being properly collared. Most if not all might well be tempted to turn themselves in to the Seanchan forces given a chance.

Damane look upon sul’dam with fear or respect mixed with gratitude that the sul’dam are guiding and sheltering them and keeping them from doing the awful things that they must surely do if they were allowed to run free. (Good medieval Catholics accepting their penance.)

Until Tuon led the way, few sul’dam tried to learn any of the weaves that the Aes Sedai damane know. However, a few weaves, such as Healing, have been taught to Seanchan damane, because of their usefulness. (Even though many Seanchan don’t allow the Power to be used on them.) So far, Aes Sedai damane have not been forced to reveal the method of testing for women who can be taught to channel.

The trainers of damane (sul’dam) and their owners (the Blood) are aware that damane live long lives and age very slowly.

They accept this as an attribute of those who can channel and take it as a sign of how unnatural they are. The Aes Sedai they faced on reaching Seanchan did not use the Three Oaths, thus did not have curtailed lives: a lifespan of 700‒800 years or more was not uncommon for those Seanchan Aes Sedai who escaped assassination.

While damane do die, and in fact, being used in combat, they are exposed to great risks, there are certainly damane who show considerable age and who are as much as 500, 600 or even possibly 700‒800 years old (i.e. born perhaps as long ago as 200 NE). There will have been damane who had been Aes Sedai when Hawkwing’s armies began their conquest of Seanchan who died only 300‒400 years ago.

The result of the long life is that although damane have been recruited in Seanchan exclusively from women born with the spark, there are a very large number of damane, compared to the numbers of Aes Sedai. For the last thousand years, only those women who had the inborn spark, those who would channel without training, have been removed from the gene pool, and for over two thousand years before that, even they were not. As a result, there are many more women among the Seanchan population who either have the spark inborn or who can be taught than there are in the population east of the Aryth Ocean, where for over three thousand years Aes Sedai have cloistered themselves in the White Tower and had children seldom.

The damane are one of the most viscerally horrifying things about The Wheel of Time, and this is in a series that has a man vomiting beetles, Hinderstap, a man being murdered by being forcefed on brandy until he drowns, people’s families being fed to Trollocs and/or given to Myrdraael to rape, and everything involving Semirhage. I can’t quite put my finger on why but I know the way they’re treated like animals (”I hope you’re not planning on having sex with her, Toy, only perverts have sex with damane”) is part of it.

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i rarely post ooc on here but here's my long winded rambling about something that i keep seeing in regards to the show. like i've seen these different takes that somehow in the show mat's been given more layers and depth. but like i can't see where or how tbh all the show's given me so far is

  • his "gritty" backstory. supposedly to "explain" why he's the way he is. even though in the show he's not at all the way he is supposed to be ---
  • his disloyalty. abandoning his friends to possible death, abandoning egwene in the tower. they took one of his biggest driving points and just erased it entirely. this is not the mat that chased an assassin all the way to tear to save the wondergirls. this is not the mat that turned back towards a literal war when he had never fought in one before.
  • his innate darkness that drew him to the dagger. no mat couldn't just want gold, he couldn't even be greedy. he needs to have a darkness that made moiraine so sure he'd choose the dark. and apparently ishamael saying he belonged to him since birth ? like uhm did i hear that right?

these are literally the only traits he's been given. -- how does one do a more complex mat than the one robert jordan wrote anyways? he's confusing af - no one understands what's going on with him not even himself. like i always see sando getting flack about how he wrote mat. like he did better than anything the shows done so far tbh.

but this leads me to the whole 'the show did it better than the books' or that "the show fixed things" about every single little or major change that the show makes.  like prefer one over the other, love one hate the other. cool nbd. but -- i've never seen the source material of an adaptation so -- idk hated by the fandom? it confuses me how much flack robert jordan gets for writing a certain thing or a certain character but the show gets praised for a basically hollowed out poorly done adaptation. like i can enjoy the show, there are good things ( hello josha ) and there are bad ( the over the top age drops of the aes sedai. alanna's lowkey creepy with much young warders - they do know they don't get the same life span right? - and moiraine didn't give up her life for the search for the dragon. how long did she live before his birth ?? etc etc ). but i don't know how one could "understand" the characters or world better than the person that wrote it. i don't get how anyone could be interested in a world or characters from a book series that they seemingly hate ? by an author they basically hate, too? that's just my take i guess. i for one love the books. so ---

i'll go crawl back into my corner now ---

I agree 100000%. I watched season one, expecting truncated motives, missing plotlines, and the usual 'sacrifices' that visual media requires. What I found was barely familiar to me as Wheel of Time except in the most superficial ways. It felt like something beyond a botched adaptation, it felt like an intentional attempt to change the story and the characters into something else. I, of course, went to the online communities to discuss but it was such an immediately different vibe on every online community, like an order had gone out to protect the show and sacrifice the books to do it. Sites were filled with posts by show apologists with takes displaying an unapologetic lack of understanding of or respect for the world building and the character development. Usually all of it hiding from any counter point behind the fragile and ridiculous notion that all of the ill-considered changes were OK because this 'was just another turning of the wheel.' It's one of the most surreal experiences I've had in any fandom.

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These are real street names in  Lexington, SC

Paul Flowers succeeded in his sneaky way to input WOT in that local suburb. Amazing! I want to walk there!

Source: facebook.com
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hot take on 3x03 sweat tent scene

and since I know that most people here seem to feel differently about that scene than I do and actually love it (which I don’t), I’m putting my thoughts below the cut. You know, don’t like, don’t read, etc etc.

Your feelings are absolutely valid, and I say this as someone who does not ship Moiraine & Siuan. I don't ship Ihvon & Maksim & Alanna, either, in fact, I hate them, and yet, I was disgusted by the last scene in that episode in which Maksim played a significant role - where the Maidens were harassing him in an effort to get him to play Maiden's Kiss, after their failure with Loial. The show's attitude toward sex in general is pretty gross and juvenile, and for all that people might like to see one pairing or another come together in a way you never got before, it's part of a very troubling pattern on the writers' part.

That being said, I would just like all you people who are fortunate enough to be able to enjoy the show, to bear in mind that the show and writers make similar errors that cheapen or spoil many, many other things that different fans might like, or find the most interesting, or be more invested in.

What OP is feeling about Siuan/Moiraine and their treatment is what a lot of people who criticize the show feel about other aspects of the story.

Just think about that, before you dismiss someone with negative opinions as a "bookcloak."

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RJ’s notes Part 69 by Linda Taglieri

The full terms of the Sea Folk bargain were:

The Sea Folk agreed to provide Windfinders to assist in using the Bowl of the Winds. They were to send the strongest they had available, which they did, but they also sent the highest ranking, which is not the same thing.)

In return, Nynaeve and Elayne promised the following, speaking as Egwene’s representatives, in effect as ambassadors of the Amyrlin Seat:

(1) Once the Bowl of the Winds has been used to attempt to correct the weather, it would pass into the hands of the Sea Folk. The Amyrlin Seat may require its use when she wishes, but no more than four times in the year.

(2) Any Aes Sedai who travels on a vessel of the Atha'an Miere will make every effort to impart all of her knowledge of channeling to the Windfinder of that vessel, but she will make no effort to convince or coerce any woman into going to the White Tower.

(3) The Aes Sedai will send twenty sisters who will impart all of their knowledge of channeling to any Windfinder who wishes to learn. These sisters will abide by and be subject to all laws of the Atha'an Miere and will be under the authority of the Windfinders. Each will remain with the Atha'an Miere at least one year, and before any leaves, she must be replaced by another. These sisters also are restrained from recruiting in any way.

(4) Atha'an Miere Windfinders are to be allowed to go to the White Tower to study, but not for becoming Aes Sedai; they will be allowed to chose what to study, will be given every assistance, and while in the Tower will be accorded all of the rights and privileges of Aes Sedai.

(5) Any woman of the Atha'an Miere who is Aes Sedai must be given the opportunity to renounce the Three Oaths and return to the Sea Folk.

The Kin will become an auxiliary of the White Tower, in effect, or perhaps something more. The organization will not be destroyed, and it will be allowed to keep its own rules and its own hierarchy. The Eldest will rank just below the Amyrlin Seat, certainly equal to the Keeper of the Chronicles or the Mistress of Novices. Officially, her authority will not extend to Aes Sedai, but whether or not it is immediately clear, it is only a matter of time before her place just beneath the Amyrlin means that her authority is, in fact, accepted by many Aes Sedai, if not all.

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