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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 10:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 232 open requests (. )
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Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Calvinism articles by importance to Category:Reformed Christianity articles by importance – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Top-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Top-importance Reformed Christianity articles – JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mid-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Mid-importance Reformed Christianity articles – Reason JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:High-importance Calvinism articles to Category:High-importance Reformed Christianity articles – Reason JFHutson (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pages using WikiProject Calvinism with unknown parameters to Category:Pages using WikiProject Reformed Christianity with unknown parameters – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Unknown-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NA-importance Calvinism articles to Category:NA-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Low-importance Calvinism articles to Category:Low-importance Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WikiProject Calvinism articles to Category:WikiProject Reformed Christianity articles – C2C. JFHutson (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:WikiProject Calvinism to Category:WikiProject Reformed Christianity – C2D: Wikiproject has been moved -- JFHutson (talk) 16:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Native American bead artists to Category:Native American beadworkers – C2C: Beadworkers is parent Mason (talk) 15:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indigenous bead artists of the Americas to Category:Indigenous beadworkers of the Americas – C2C: parent is Beadworkers Mason (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:First Nations bead artists to Category:First Nations beadworkers – C2C: parent is Beadworkers Mason (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:North-Caucasus Federal University to Category:Buildings and structures in Stavropol Krai – C2F. Mason (talk) 05:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kazimierz Pułaski University of Technology and Humanities in Radom to Category:Education in Radom – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sattler College to Category:Private universities and colleges in Massachusetts – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Milken Institute School of Public Health to Category:Colleges and Schools of The George Washington University – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Converse University to Category:Liberal arts colleges in South Carolina – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cayuga Community College to Category:Community colleges in New York (state) – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brunswick Community College to Category:Education in New Hanover County, North Carolina – C2F. Mason (talk) 04:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Illyrian mythology to Category:Illyrian religion – C2D: per Illyrian religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine by Oblast to Category:Russian invasion of Ukraine by oblast – C2C. Tagged by Teterev53 on February 17, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman clothing to Category:Clothing of the Ottoman Empire – C2C. Tagged by Mason on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Joseon dynasty in fiction to Category:Joseon in fiction – C2C. Tagged by a user who has since vanished on January 31, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Education in Joseon
- Category:Films set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Films set in Joseon
- Category:Novels set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Novels set in Joseon
- Category:Royal consorts of the Joseon dynasty to Category:Royal consorts of Joseon
- Category:Society of the Joseon dynasty to Category:Society of Joseon
- Category:Television series set in the Joseon dynasty to Category:Television series set in Joseon
- Category:E4 comedy to Category:E4 (TV channel) comedy – C2D. Tagged by Gonnym on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:B.S. Leiden players to Category:ZZ Leiden players – C2D. Tagged by 寒吉 on February 1, not listed. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism portal to Category:Reformed Christianity portal – C2D: Portal:Calvinism moved to Portal:Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 19:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) to Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) – C2D * Pppery * it has begun... 15:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- * Pppery *, Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) was emptied by an editor. I think a category merge is called for to retain page history. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yep. Mburrell implemented this out-of-process by cut-paste. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- * Pppery *, Category:Song recordings produced by Dave Stewart (musician and producer) was emptied by an editor. I think a category merge is called for to retain page history. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Former directly elected mayors in the United Kingdom to Category:Former directly elected mayors of places in England – C2C: per Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1864 establishment in Poland to Category:1864 establishments in Poland – C2A. Mason (talk) 12:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:University of Paris 8 Vincennes-Saint-Denis to Category:Paris 8 University Vincennes-Saint-Denis – C2D per Paris 8 University Vincennes-Saint-Denis. AusLondonder (talk) 11:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin American media to Category:Mass media in Latin America – C2C: Parents Category:Mass media in South America and Category:Mass media in North America. NLeeuw (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin American culture to Category:Culture of Latin America – C2C: Siblings Category:Culture of South America, Category:Culture of North America, Category:Culture of Europe, Category:Culture of Asia, Category:Culture of Africa. c:Category:Culture of Latin America. Parent Category:Culture of the Americas. Music of Latin America. NLeeuw (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin American music to Category:Music of Latin America – C2D: Music of Latin America. NLeeuw (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French Guianan music to Category:Music of French Guiana – C2D: Music of French Guiana. NLeeuw (talk) 23:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:!Templates about Rio Grande do Sul to Category:Templates about Rio Grande do Sul – C2A AusLondonder (talk) 15:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose @AusLondonder: It would be better
to rename to Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates,C2C – for consistency with subcategories of Category:Municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 22:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)- Oh... I didn't quite realize the extent of the hierarchy of involved categories:
- This should be a full discussion to merge the first three into either
- or
- Article links for convenience: Rio Grande do Sul • List of municipalities in Rio Grande do Sul
- I don't even understand what "! Presets" is supposed to mean. @Joana machado2021: could you please clarify? —andrybak (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose @AusLondonder: It would be better
- I was going to come back to this yesterday but got distracted. You're right, probably worth a full discussion on all the categories. I have no clue why they're named like this. AusLondonder (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Joana has not edited English or pt Wikipedias since December. These should all be renamed speedily; "presets" are also templates. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrybak and AusLondonder: can this be speedied after all, after Fayenatic london's comment, or is one of you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm OK with speedily renaming/merging all four into Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting, it seems no longer opposed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm OK with speedily renaming/merging all four into Category:Rio Grande do Sul municipality templates. —andrybak (talk) 10:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrybak and AusLondonder: can this be speedied after all, after Fayenatic london's comment, or is one of you planning to move this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Joana has not edited English or pt Wikipedias since December. These should all be renamed speedily; "presets" are also templates. – Fayenatic London 12:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to come back to this yesterday but got distracted. You're right, probably worth a full discussion on all the categories. I have no clue why they're named like this. AusLondonder (talk) 08:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Military personnel from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria to Category:Military personnel of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria – C2C within Category:Military personnel by former country. We use "of" rather than "from" because these were officers of the state. – Fayenatic London 21:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:military personnel from the Republic of Geneva to Category:military personnel of the Republic of Geneva
- REDIRECT Category:18th-century military personnel from the Republic of Geneva to Category:18th-century military personnel of the Republic of Geneva
- REDIRECT Category:Military personnel from the Kingdom of Saxony to Category:Military personnel of the Kingdom of Saxony
- Category:Calvinism stubs to Category:Reformed Christianity stubs – C2C, see others below – Fayenatic London 20:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Carnot Institute to Category:Carnot label – C2D. Gjs238 (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Calvinism in the Dutch Republic to Category:Reformed Christianity in the Dutch Republic – C2C: Category:Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:History of Calvinism in the Netherlands to Category:History of Reformed Christianity in the Netherlands – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 18:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Central American culture to Category:Culture of Central America – C2C: Parent Category:Culture of North America. c:Category:Culture of Central America. NLeeuw (talk) 18:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:21st-century Calvinism to Category:21st-century Reformed Christianity – C2D: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Calvinism to Category:20th-century Reformed Christianity – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century Calvinism to Category:19th-century Reformed Christianity – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:18th-century Calvinism to Category:18th-century Reformed Christianity – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:17th-century Calvinism to Category:17th-century Reformed Christianity – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:16th-century Calvinism to Category:16th-century Reformed Christianity – C2C: Category:History of Reformed Christianity JFHutson (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chief Judges of the Maryland Court of Appeals to Category:Chief Justices of the Supreme Court of Maryland – C2D: This position was renamed to this after voters approved of a ballot initiative doing so in the 2022 elections. Y2hyaXM (talk) 16:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Maryland Court of Special Appeals judges to Category:Judges of the Appellate Court of Maryland – C2D: The Maryland Court of Special Appeals was renamed to the Appellate Court of Maryland after voters approved of a ballot initiative doing so in the 2022 elections. The Appellate Court of Maryland page was renamed as such around two years ago. Y2hyaXM (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Judges of the Maryland Court of Appeals to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Maryland – C2D: The Maryland Court of Appeals was renamed to the Supreme Court of Maryland after voters approved of a ballot initiative doing so in the 2022 elections. The Supreme Court of Maryland page was renamed as such around two years ago. Y2hyaXM (talk) 16:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People who were enslaved by Presidents of the United States to Category:People who were enslaved by presidents of the United States – C2B per MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:American female winemakers to Category:American women winemakers – Reason C2C: per siblings in Category:American women by occupation. TSventon (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. Female versus women is not clear cut, especially not under C2C. Mason (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Directly elected mayors in England and Wales to Category:Directly elected mayors in England – C2D: with Directly elected mayors in England — RAVENPVFF · talk · 17:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be a merge to Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England and besides this will only work properly if the subcategories are renamed to "in England" too, but that would require full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: It appears that a distinction is being made between directly elected mayors of places (e.g. London) and directly elected mayors of regions (e.g. Greater Manchester), which I think is probably worth keeping, although maybe a new subcategory might be warranted for the latter. No objection to renaming the existing subcats to match. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be a merge to Category:Directly elected mayors of places in England and besides this will only work properly if the subcategories are renamed to "in England" too, but that would require full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of National Football League annual leaders to Category:Lists of NFL annual leaders – C2B. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of National Football League career leaders to Category:Lists of NFL career leaders – C2B. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League lists to Category:NFL lists – C2B: Recent move discussion resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. Also, all pages within the category use the abbreviation of "NFL". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League postseasons by team to Category:NFL postseasons by team – C2B. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League playoff games to Category:NFL playoff games – C2B: NFL playoffs is relevant in this case. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League playoffs to Category:NFL playoffs – C2D: NFL playoffs. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League seasons by team to Category:NFL seasons by team – C2B: Recent move discussion resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1922 National Football League season by team to Category:1922 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1923 National Football League season by team to Category:1923 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1924 National Football League season by team to Category:1924 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1925 National Football League season by team to Category:1925 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1926 National Football League season by team to Category:1926 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1927 National Football League season by team to Category:1927 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1928 National Football League season by team to Category:1928 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1929 National Football League season by team to Category:1929 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1930 National Football League season by team to Category:1930 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1931 National Football League season by team to Category:1931 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1932 National Football League season by team to Category:1932 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1933 National Football League season by team to Category:1933 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1934 National Football League season by team to Category:1934 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1935 National Football League season by team to Category:1935 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1936 National Football League season by team to Category:1936 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1937 National Football League season by team to Category:1937 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1938 National Football League season by team to Category:1938 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1939 National Football League season by team to Category:1939 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1940 National Football League season by team to Category:1940 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1941 National Football League season by team to Category:1941 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1942 National Football League season by team to Category:1942 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1943 National Football League season by team to Category:1943 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1944 National Football League season by team to Category:1944 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1945 National Football League season by team to Category:1945 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1946 National Football League season by team to Category:1946 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1947 National Football League season by team to Category:1947 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1948 National Football League season by team to Category:1948 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1949 National Football League season by team to Category:1949 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1950 National Football League season by team to Category:1950 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1951 National Football League season by team to Category:1951 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1952 National Football League season by team to Category:1952 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1953 National Football League season by team to Category:1953 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1954 National Football League season by team to Category:1954 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1955 National Football League season by team to Category:1955 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1956 National Football League season by team to Category:1956 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1957 National Football League season by team to Category:1957 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1958 National Football League season by team to Category:1958 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1959 National Football League season by team to Category:1959 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1960 National Football League season by team to Category:1960 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1961 National Football League season by team to Category:1961 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1962 National Football League season by team to Category:1962 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1963 National Football League season by team to Category:1963 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1964 National Football League season by team to Category:1964 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1965 National Football League season by team to Category:1965 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1966 National Football League season by team to Category:1966 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1967 National Football League season by team to Category:1967 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1968 National Football League season by team to Category:1968 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1969 National Football League season by team to Category:1969 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1970 National Football League season by team to Category:1970 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1971 National Football League season by team to Category:1971 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1972 National Football League season by team to Category:1972 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1973 National Football League season by team to Category:1973 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1974 National Football League season by team to Category:1974 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1975 National Football League season by team to Category:1975 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1976 National Football League season by team to Category:1976 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1977 National Football League season by team to Category:1977 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1978 National Football League season by team to Category:1978 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1979 National Football League season by team to Category:1979 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1980 National Football League season by team to Category:1980 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1981 National Football League season by team to Category:1981 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1982 National Football League season by team to Category:1982 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1983 National Football League season by team to Category:1983 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1984 National Football League season by team to Category:1984 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1985 National Football League season by team to Category:1985 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1986 National Football League season by team to Category:1986 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1987 National Football League season by team to Category:1987 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1988 National Football League season by team to Category:1988 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1989 National Football League season by team to Category:1989 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1990 National Football League season by team to Category:1990 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1991 National Football League season by team to Category:1991 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1992 National Football League season by team to Category:1992 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1993 National Football League season by team to Category:1993 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1994 National Football League season by team to Category:1994 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1995 National Football League season by team to Category:1995 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1996 National Football League season by team to Category:1996 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1997 National Football League season by team to Category:1997 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1998 National Football League season by team to Category:1998 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:1999 National Football League season by team to Category:1999 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2000 National Football League season by team to Category:2000 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2001 National Football League season by team to Category:2001 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2002 National Football League season by team to Category:2002 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2003 National Football League season by team to Category:2003 NFL season by team – C2B.
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- Category:2006 National Football League season by team to Category:2006 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2007 National Football League season by team to Category:2007 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2008 National Football League season by team to Category:2008 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2009 National Football League season by team to Category:2009 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2010 National Football League season by team to Category:2010 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2011 National Football League season by team to Category:2011 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2012 National Football League season by team to Category:2012 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2013 National Football League season by team to Category:2013 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2014 National Football League season by team to Category:2014 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2015 National Football League season by team to Category:2015 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2016 National Football League season by team to Category:2016 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2017 National Football League season by team to Category:2017 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2018 National Football League season by team to Category:2018 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2019 National Football League season by team to Category:2019 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2020 National Football League season by team to Category:2020 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2021 National Football League season by team to Category:2021 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2022 National Football League season by team to Category:2022 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2023 National Football League season by team to Category:2023 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:2024 National Football League season by team to Category:2024 NFL season by team – C2B.
- Category:National Football League seasons to Category:NFL seasons – C2B/C2D: List of NFL seasons. Recent move discussion resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1922 National Football League season to Category:1922 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1923 National Football League season to Category:1923 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1924 National Football League season to Category:1924 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1925 National Football League season to Category:1925 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1926 National Football League season to Category:1926 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1927 National Football League season to Category:1927 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1928 National Football League season to Category:1928 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1929 National Football League season to Category:1929 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1930 National Football League season to Category:1930 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1931 National Football League season to Category:1931 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1932 National Football League season to Category:1932 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1933 National Football League season to Category:1933 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1934 National Football League season to Category:1934 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1935 National Football League season to Category:1935 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1936 National Football League season to Category:1936 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1937 National Football League season to Category:1937 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1938 National Football League season to Category:1938 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1939 National Football League season to Category:1939 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1940 National Football League season to Category:1940 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1941 National Football League season to Category:1941 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1942 National Football League season to Category:1942 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1943 National Football League season to Category:1943 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1944 National Football League season to Category:1944 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1945 National Football League season to Category:1945 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1946 National Football League season to Category:1946 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1947 National Football League season to Category:1947 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1948 National Football League season to Category:1948 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1949 National Football League season to Category:1949 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1950 National Football League season to Category:1950 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1951 National Football League season to Category:1951 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1952 National Football League season to Category:1952 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1953 National Football League season to Category:1953 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1954 National Football League season to Category:1954 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1955 National Football League season to Category:1955 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1956 National Football League season to Category:1956 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1957 National Football League season to Category:1957 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1958 National Football League season to Category:1958 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1959 National Football League season to Category:1959 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1960 National Football League season to Category:1960 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1961 National Football League season to Category:1961 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1962 National Football League season to Category:1962 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1963 National Football League season to Category:1963 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1964 National Football League season to Category:1964 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1965 National Football League season to Category:1965 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1966 National Football League season to Category:1966 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1967 National Football League season to Category:1967 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1968 National Football League season to Category:1968 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1969 National Football League season to Category:1969 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1970 National Football League season to Category:1970 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1971 National Football League season to Category:1971 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1972 National Football League season to Category:1972 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1973 National Football League season to Category:1973 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1974 National Football League season to Category:1974 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1975 National Football League season to Category:1975 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1976 National Football League season to Category:1976 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1977 National Football League season to Category:1977 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1978 National Football League season to Category:1978 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1979 National Football League season to Category:1979 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1980 National Football League season to Category:1980 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1981 National Football League season to Category:1981 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1982 National Football League season to Category:1982 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1983 National Football League season to Category:1983 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1984 National Football League season to Category:1984 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1985 National Football League season to Category:1985 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1986 National Football League season to Category:1986 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1987 National Football League season to Category:1987 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1988 National Football League season to Category:1988 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1989 National Football League season to Category:1989 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1990 National Football League season to Category:1990 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1991 National Football League season to Category:1991 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1992 National Football League season to Category:1992 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1993 National Football League season to Category:1993 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1994 National Football League season to Category:1994 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1995 National Football League season to Category:1995 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1996 National Football League season to Category:1996 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1997 National Football League season to Category:1997 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1998 National Football League season to Category:1998 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:1999 National Football League season to Category:1999 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2000 National Football League season to Category:2000 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2001 National Football League season to Category:2001 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2002 National Football League season to Category:2002 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2003 National Football League season to Category:2003 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2004 National Football League season to Category:2004 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2005 National Football League season to Category:2005 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2006 National Football League season to Category:2006 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2007 National Football League season to Category:2007 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2008 National Football League season to Category:2008 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2009 National Football League season to Category:2009 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2010 National Football League season to Category:2010 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2011 National Football League season to Category:2011 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2012 National Football League season to Category:2012 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2013 National Football League season to Category:2013 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2014 National Football League season to Category:2014 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2015 National Football League season to Category:2015 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2016 National Football League season to Category:2016 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2017 National Football League season to Category:2017 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2018 National Football League season to Category:2018 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2019 National Football League season to Category:2019 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2020 National Football League season to Category:2020 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2021 National Football League season to Category:2021 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2022 National Football League season to Category:2022 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2023 National Football League season to Category:2023 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:2024 National Football League season to Category:2024 NFL season – C2B.
- Category:National Football League trophies and awards to Category:NFL trophies and awards – C2B: Recent move discussion resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League teams seasons to Category:NFL team seasons – C2B/C2D: Lists of NFL team seasons. Recent move discussion resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League officials to Category:NFL officials – C2D: List of NFL officials. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of National Football League head coaches by team to Category:Lists of NFL head coaches by team – C2B. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League head coaches by team to Category:NFL head coaches by team – C2B. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League head coaches to Category:NFL head coaches – C2D: List of NFL head coaches. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct National Football League teams to Category:Defunct NFL teams – C2D: List of defunct NFL franchises. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League defensive coordinators to Category:NFL defensive coordinators – C2D: List of current NFL defensive coordinators. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League offensive coordinators to Category:NFL offensive coordinators – C2D: List of NFL offensive coordinators. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:National Football League mascots to Category:NFL mascots – C2D: List of NFL mascots. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- This applies to all the NFL noms here. A sub category should follow the parent category. As long as we aren't using Category:NFL for the parent, these shouldn't move. If we do move, the parent, then this should also move. Gonnym (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: The parent (National Football League) was one of two exceptions in the recent move discussion that resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. I also don't believe there's a rule or guideline that states we shouldn't switch to abbreviations at any point if the pages themselves are abbreviated. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Take it to a full discussion here then. Categories should match and not switch over. That is basic thing here. Gonnym (talk) 18:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Then point to a guideline that states that. It makes sense to utilize the full name in the first instance and then utilize an acronym afterwards, as we do in articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is how it's always been done here. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, to be clear, your argument is not policy/MoS based @Gonnym? It's just WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Speaking from experience, I very frequently see abbreviations or short names used in subcategories of larger topics. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just wanted to follow up on this @Gonnym. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's not IDONTLIKEIT, it's HOWITSALWAYSBEENDONEHERESOTAKEITTOAFULLDISCUSSION. Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- So you're unable to provide an MoS, policy link, or discussion of any kind? It's just based on what you feel and perceive to have always (not accurate) been done? Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: are you going to move this to full discussion? If you are, I will comment (not oppose) that it is unlikely that people outside the United States are acquainted with the NFL abbreviation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I agree with you on this one. Same with the NBA and NHL abbreviations. I think it was a bad move to speedy rename them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: presuming that User:Hey man im josh is not going to take this to full discussion, could you have the bot remove the CFDS tags from the category pages? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I will have a look when I am back on my laptop, hopefully on Sunday Ymblanter (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: presuming that User:Hey man im josh is not going to take this to full discussion, could you have the bot remove the CFDS tags from the category pages? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I agree with you on this one. Same with the NBA and NHL abbreviations. I think it was a bad move to speedy rename them. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: are you going to move this to full discussion? If you are, I will comment (not oppose) that it is unlikely that people outside the United States are acquainted with the NFL abbreviation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- So you're unable to provide an MoS, policy link, or discussion of any kind? It's just based on what you feel and perceive to have always (not accurate) been done? Hey man im josh (talk) 15:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's not IDONTLIKEIT, it's HOWITSALWAYSBEENDONEHERESOTAKEITTOAFULLDISCUSSION. Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just wanted to follow up on this @Gonnym. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:11, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, to be clear, your argument is not policy/MoS based @Gonnym? It's just WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Speaking from experience, I very frequently see abbreviations or short names used in subcategories of larger topics. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is how it's always been done here. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: Then point to a guideline that states that. It makes sense to utilize the full name in the first instance and then utilize an acronym afterwards, as we do in articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Take it to a full discussion here then. Categories should match and not switch over. That is basic thing here. Gonnym (talk) 18:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: The parent (National Football League) was one of two exceptions in the recent move discussion that resulted in utilizing the abbreviation. I also don't believe there's a rule or guideline that states we shouldn't switch to abbreviations at any point if the pages themselves are abbreviated. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- This applies to all the NFL noms here. A sub category should follow the parent category. As long as we aren't using Category:NFL for the parent, these shouldn't move. If we do move, the parent, then this should also move. Gonnym (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- None currently
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Tamil language encyclopedias to Category:Tamil-language encyclopedias – C2A: MOS:HYPHEN –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Bengali encyclopedias to Category:Bengali-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Bengali-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Albanian encyclopedias to Category:Albanian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Belarusian encyclopedias to Category:Belarusian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
Encyclopedias in Fooian
in one go, well, all the better. :) NLeeuw (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
Encyclopedias in Fooian
(my proposal) as Option 1 andFooian-language encyclopedias
(your proposal) as Option 2. NLeeuw (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- PS: I recommend we keep the discussion about splitting Bulgarian encyclopedias separate. (I agree with your proposal to split them; we could always change the 2nd target's name based on the outcome of the Dutch &c. encyclopedias discussion). NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 1#Category:Dutch encyclopedias. I'll update the LP's 4 nominees' tags as well, with LP's proposed name and linking to my expanded nom. NLeeuw (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century American people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by century and decent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
++
- Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American rappers by descent – C2C: See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent for all the ones below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the United States Congress by ethnic or national origin to Category:Members of the United States Congress by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin to Category:American gangsters by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American social scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdered American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Murdered American people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American sculptors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:American people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American classical musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American male actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American singers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Hawaii people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American photographers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin to Category:American academics by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American short story writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American novelists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by descent – C2A. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin to Category:American poets by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Welsh people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Scottish people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Northern Ireland by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Northern Ireland by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American professional wrestlers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American physicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American models by ethnic or national origin to Category:American models by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin to Category:American military personnel by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American lawyers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American journalists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American film directors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American educators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American comedians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American aviators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American artists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin to Category:American architects by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American activists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by occupation and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by occupation and descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:American people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:English people by ethnic or national origin to Category:English people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Your opposition needs to have a reason. Mason (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- A first attempt to resolve this is here at full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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