But a genuine question -- if he had early contact with very powerful people in the industry, why didn’t he do anything to help save the others, or at least Louis? And I don’t mean getting them signed as a band for another year, but just helping them get out of their contracts. He left the band as the most benefited.
I feel like some of you guys have no understanding of how the world works.
First of all (and I’ve said this a thousand times), we have no idea what Harry did or didn’t do. Liam and Niall had no problem going to other labels. IMO, Louis was kept under Simon’s thumb as punishment and as a way to control Harry.
Second, what do you actually think Harry should have done? I’m genuinely curious because people are always saying this. “He should have helped Louis.” But what do you mean? He should have told Jeff to reject all contract offers unless his boyfriend also got a better deal? How do we know Louis wanted his help? He’s awfully proud. I can’t see him wanting Harry to fight his battles. Be supportive and caring, yes. But try to pull strings? Is that what you mean? Introduce him to powerful people? And again, I ask: how do you know he didn’t try?
This is just such a circular argument because what you’re really saying is that Louis should have been given all the breaks Harry got. Which, sure. That would be amazing. But he didn’t. And that’s the way the world works.
And Louis knows this. So he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps and made a really good career for himself in spite of all the fuckers who tried to stop him. But comparing his success to Harry’s success and then begrudging Harry and feeling sorry for Louis, is pointless. And I really think that’s the last thing Louis would want.
Last, Harry left the band “most benefited” because Sony set their sights on him somewhere between 2011 and 2012. They had initially picked Liam as their breakout star. And you can see it from the beginning. But Harry had something the public responded to the most, so he became their golden boy. They were always going to sign him when the band eventually ended. And he had the ambition and talent to take the advantages he was being offered early on, and make something out of it all. The Azoffs weaseled their way in because they also noticed it.
None of this means the others weren’t also super talented and ambitious. But the label is only betting on one horse. They’re going to put all their money on the one who has the best chance of winning. And they decided it was Harry.
I did. I’m not getting my hopes up, either, but it would be so nice if it was the beginning of the end.
Also, not to be snarky, but if she’s paying £3K (about $3800 US) a month, she’s not living in any sort of lavish home here in LA. What’s the point of mentioning that? This whole thing is weird. At least they blurred out his face after nine years.
Sometimes I feel like people try to victimize Harry r or make him out to be a victim to compare his situation to Louis', just to fill in the gaps they have when they can't answer certain questions. He’s not a victim, and he never was. He decided to be part of the system.
Well, people do the exact same thing with Louis, too. Like someone needs to “rescue” him or something, and there are definitely a lot of unanswered questions on his side as well.
They’re victims of closeting and an incredibly repressive industry, no doubt about it. But they both also chose to stay in the industry, for their own individual reasons, and they’re both part of the system. There will always be biased opinions, and people have their faves, but it’s disgusting to pit them against each other like that, as if one is better because they’re a bigger victim. Seriously, what a ridiculous argument. They’re the same
People often forget that major industry figures, like Jeff, weren’t necessarily personal friends of Harry first. It’s not like Jeff is Harry’s personal Oli, just there for him without any business interests. //
But weren’t Jeff and Irving supposed to have adopted him into their family in 2013? It wasn’t an automatic business relationship since the beggining because Harry didn’t sign anything until 2016. I thought Jeff wanted to help Harry gain more freedom.
What 😂😂 Adopted? hahah where did this idea even come from?
From what I recall, during 2014–2015, Harry was seen a lot with Jeff, in particular. They seemed very, very close! At the time, I think most people (larries and non-larries) believed Full Stop was kind of there to save them from Modest. I fully believe they were involved in some sort of negotiation in that regard, but as we know, both Syco and Modest had very rigid contracts, so they ended up stuck with them until the end. Still, I do wonder if the outcome we saw was influenced by Full Stop… and that things could have been much worse without them.
But anyway, Harry is clearly very close to Jeff and Irving on a personal level. All I’m saying is that it’s very naive to think their relationship didn’t start from a professional connection first. I do believe Jeff was already working for Harry during that time, and their closeness developed from there. But I mean… believe whatever you want, anon. Just don’t be naive enough to think Jeff or his father were “helping” anyone out of the kindness of their hearts. It’s literally their job to “help” artists, and they get paid for it.
Hiii! I hope you're doing well <3 I've left the fandom due to life getting too chaotic in 2021 and i want to catch up! Any idea where to start?
Hi, anon! I don’t think there’s an easy way to do that, love… aside from scrolling through blogs and reading posts manually.
To make things easier, you can check MY TAGS and see if you can spot anything you might have missed. You can also use the archive feature on my blog (or any blog). Just go to https://skepticalarrie.tumblr.com/archive, and in the top left corner, you’ll find options to filter by year and month. That way maybe you can go through posts chronologically if that helps!
Hope that helps, and welcome back! (not much has been happening lately though lol.)
Hi! Isn’t Harry such a cute bobba ball in the fan sighting. it was such a sight for sore eyes after seeing a psychic reading on YouTube about Zarry, I’ve made it a point to block all those accounts (I don’t listen to such things about L&H too), but some just tends to make an appearance. Didn’t even know about the existence of zarry till I saw that video. The far fetched scenarios they have created are just insane. There seem to mental fans who like to paint H as a some morale-less person.
I think Zarries can be especially nasty toward Larries, so I try to avoid them as much as possible. I don’t really like their motives or intentions. Sorry you had to come across that, though. It sounds awful.
the azoffs have nasty ties all across hollywood including to p diddy. i doubt harry signing to jeff was a real choice. illusion of choice, sure, but he was being shuffled from one evil management company to another with the illusion of more freedom so he'll do what they want him to do.
artists in the industry are products to management companies. harry is a highly sought after product to these people, and his freedom of choice with his management is like one of fake trash/recycling bins that empty into the same bucket.
Yeah, well, unfortunately that’s true for a lot of artists, and I’m sure it was very much Harry’s reality at some point. Right now, I disagree—I don’t think that’s the case for him anymore. But honestly, that doesn’t make all the nastiness in this industry any less real.
Oh, I’m not. And I’m not really an expert either. I’ve just been around for a long time, reading a lot about the industry, talking to a bunch of different people, and learning things along the way. I also work in marketing and have worked closely with PR in the past, so that definitely helps me see things from a more “detached” perspective as well. And these are just my opinions, anyway.
But should we really see it that way? Or should we be looking at it through a business lens rather than personal loyalty? Because that’s how the industry actually works. I know it sucks, and we all want to protect Harry, but it’s not how it works.
This! I think it happens because people often try to apply everyday logic to what happens in the music industry or entertainment in general. But if you try to understand it from that perspective, a lot of things seem contradictory. And while the intention to protect the boys is good, at the end of the day, the people who publicly seem close to him—especially those he works with—are mostly business relationships. And both sides involved know that.
Exactly! And I always say this—it’s easy to blame the other side. Like, “Jeff is making Harry do this,” or “Jeff is a traitor,” and “The Azoffs are only after Harry’s money and success.” And sure, some things don’t seem fair at all. But people often forget that major industry figures, like Jeff, weren’t necessarily personal friends of Harry first. It’s not like Jeff is Harry’s personal Oli, just there for him without any business interests. After all, coming from such a problematic label and management in 1D, it’s easy for us to justify things in that way.
But I honestly believe that, at the end of the day, both Harry and Louis are in this for the music, that’s their priority. All the business and marketing choices are secondary to that, and they rely on their managements and teams for that part. They know the business side comes with it, and I believe they’ve chosen who they work with. Harry has always had professional connections with the Azoffs, so it’s his decision to collaborate with them.
It’s a complex situation, and while we can discuss all these things, at the end of the day, all we can do is trust that they know what they’re doing. They have the freedom to make those decisions, and we just have to hope they’re trusting the right people to help them achieve what they truly believe in.
