I’m gonna say something (potentially controversial)
Coded clothes have fallen really down the list for me in terms of “signals/proof” in fandom and I think a lot of it is a reach. THAT SAID the blue and green have been blue-greening.
hey daisie, how are you feeling? so i have a big doubt. photos came out of katy perry and her husband on a boat in italy, and people have already started comparing them to holivia's photos, saying larries said olivia and harry's photos were PR, but not kate's and her husband. what do you think about this? what's the difference between them?
I think your doubt is stemming from some confusion regarding terminology.
When we say “PR” that’s a broad term, and can mean a few things. In the general sense it means publicity, or for public consumption. PR stands for “public relations”.
That’s why it’s common knowledge that all celebs do PR - it’s part of their job to cater to public consumption and engage in publicity. It’s a central part of the entertainment industry.
Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom are simply doing what is part of their jobs, and engaging in publicity by having pap pics taken. Katy has a new Las Vegas residency starting soon, so she’s promoting herself in the spotlight. And the best way to do that is to show her “private life” with her fiance. Because that’s what makes people click on articles, and gets the public interested in them.
Beyond that, all celebs engage in this type of publicity because it keeps them relevant, keeps the public interested in them, elevates their profile and gets them more jobs. It’s about maintaining, catering to, and creating an image for the public.
PR is used for many reasons, including but not limited to:
diverting from bad press
rebranding the celeb’s public image and perception
maintaining relevancy
promoting a show/movie/music/brand/product/collab etc etc
diverting attention from a flop project
and more.
All of this is managed by the celeb’s publicist or publicity team, and can be as simple as getting papped, to appearing on talk shows, giving interviews, having sanctioned articles written, engaging online on social media…the list goes on.
Something different than simply getting papped for publicity tho, is when celebs take part in a publicity stunt. Now these types of “PRs” are created by a publicity team and can be used for a number of reasons (see list above). This is when PR teams create romantic relationships, friendships, fights, feuds, or other types of narratives in order to sell a story that will then be used to sell something else, usually a product (that can be anything, from an actual product, like a lipstick, to a movie/music/show or even the celeb’s persona, that’s then used to sell the product).
When we say Holivia is PR, we mean that they’re a manufactured relationship, a stunt, fake. We’re just using a broad term. In their case, they engage in publicity by using this manufactured relationship in order to sell their “product”: DWD.
Katy and Orlando are obviously not in a manufactured relationship, and being papped on a yacht is not an indication of that. However, it is an indication that they are engaging in publicity and promoting themselves by being papped on a yacht.
Holivia are obviously a manufactured relationship, created by a publicity team. Reasons for which we have been discussing for the past 8 months.
To sum up:
PR = public relations. For publicity and public consumption.
PR stunt = fake. Manufactured by a publicity team for publicity and promotion of a product/project.
Publicity stunt = PR stunt
All of these are used by all celebs, and are also sometimes combined.
Creating a fake PR relationship is one of the oldest and most effective methods used in the entertainment industry to promote projects. Holivia isn’t the first one. They’re not the only ones. They won’t be the last ones. Harry isn’t the only celeb to have taken part in stunts, nor was he the first one.
Basically, what I’m saying is, Holivia is not out of the ordinary. It’s normal. No matter how much we may hate it. It’s still normal and used everyday in the entertainment industry. Relationships as PR are a tale as old as time, and an excellent PR method that’s been tried and true.
Also, I think it’s important to add that PR relationships/stunts are also a tried and true PR method for long-term closeting and hiding someone’s sexuality.
Check out my PR strategy tag for more info to better understand how the industry works. Also check: PR 101 and max clifford
Please stop giving accounts like this attention. They’re always trolls and many times predators behind them who use fandom to prey on young girls.
In the last few years we’ve had dozens of fake accounts like this pop up and gain followers purely based on their trolling content that misleads unsuspecting, many times newer, fans. Not ONE time have any of these accounts turned out to be true.
They all use the same formula: they try to capture your attention by posting “clues” for a mystery you have to solve. These clues never amount to anything and no mystery ever gets any conclusion. It’s all random numbers that make no sense or copycat “puzzles” from old marketing campaigns that also never get solved or result in anything.
CBO has been doing this for years and trolling new fans.
If this was an actual marketing campaign for Louis or Harry they would’ve pivoted their strategy ages ago, bc clearly nothing is getting solved and their campaign isn’t garnering any real traction. A good example of a real marketing campaign pivoting their strategy was when LTHQ were posting photos of Louis on his actual YouTube channel with letters for us to solve the title of FITF songs. When fans didn’t solve one of the photo clues, they immediately went ahead and showed us the title, essentially showing us “how to” play the game.
All of the real marketing campaigns for Harry and Louis are always linked to their actual real social media accounts and are lead by their record labels and marketing teams.
All of these fake accounts pretending to be marketing or pretending to be Harry or Louis have always lead fans on wild goose chases for nothing and are never linked to any of their real accounts or record labels.
Stop believing troll accounts. They’re at best just trolling you and at worst using fandom to take advantage of young girls who think they’re “in” with Harry or Louis. It’s never them. Ever.
Be safe online.
Also of note: all real marketing campaigns are led by a team, not Harry or Louis personally. You’re never talking to them directly.
Allie, I’ve seen some people say that one of Harry’s PR strategies is mainly small, nice encounters with fans or random people that seem genuine but are actually staged to maintain his good image while he’s not actively working. An example would be the pink taxi encounter or when he complimented a man's outfit and went viral.
Do you know how true or real that might be?
I really don’t think so, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Where this could be coming from, and what I personally do see as a clear PR move though, is simply showing up in extremely busy or high-traffic locations (especially places where he’s expected to be seen, which is pretty easy to guess) and then being “coincidentally” spotted by fans or stalkers. People know he’ll be there, and he knows that too. He often uses that to his advantage, especially when it comes to stunts or when he’s promoting a brand and needs to be seen with it. Not to mention the more traditional, planned pap walks. Although I don’t think any of that is to maintain his “good image,” there’s definitely a strategy behind it from a marketing perspective. It’s more likely about simply keeping him relevant and not MIA in this scenario.
You see, that’s the magic of PR—and I think a lot of people completely miss the mark on that. It’s funny that with an incredibly dedicated fanbase like Harry’s, so much of this PR strategy relies on fans doing the work themselves. With moves like this (or any kind of stunt) fans are the ones who spread the word, share the pictures, and make the connections. They don’t need to hire anyone.
I miss him. I miss his music. I miss seeing him on stage. Oh my god, I can’t wait for him to come back.
I couldn’t care less about the pap walks, imaginary stunts, or any of that nonsense. It’s been a few years now (after Holivia) I fully let go of commenting on or keeping up with his stunts. I find his stunts especially exhausting because they follow the exact same cycle: pap walks > shared clothing > promo (either hers or his) > more pap walks > done. It’s repetitive and draining.
I really believe he’s building something incredible as a bigger artist now, and it feels like these PR moves just drag him and his image down. I hate Harry StylesTM, it genuinely hurts to watch, and I don’t want to be part of that anymore. I understand that a few PR moves are sometimes necessary, but it just became too much for me. So at this point, I can proudly say I know next to nothing about Ratarry or Hussel LOL and honestly, it’s been so liberating. I feel like I can enjoy Harry so much more now.
Hi, I hope you're doing well. I have a question. Why do you think we had an article about brianna today? I don't wanna say "ending" because who knows and we're not that lucky, but it surprised tbh. In your opinion, it's nothing and they made an article just because they remembered she existed and have to keep the storyline or it could be for something else? Thanks.
Hi anon! I really believe that when you’re an artist and your brand is you, staying interesting (even off-stage) is part of the job. When there’s no new music or big news, PR steps in to keep the spotlight on.
I’ve been a bit confused about Louis’ PR lately, but if I had to guess, it’s just about keeping him visible. He’s between albums, doing some occasional shows, and not much else. Anything tied to Freddie gets clicks, so it’s an easy move. I don’t think it’s that deep, just keeping his name out there, like they’re also doing with Zara.
But a genuine question -- if he had early contact with very powerful people in the industry, why didn’t he do anything to help save the others, or at least Louis? And I don’t mean getting them signed as a band for another year, but just helping them get out of their contracts. He left the band as the most benefited.
I feel like some of you guys have no understanding of how the world works.
First of all (and I’ve said this a thousand times), we have no idea what Harry did or didn’t do. Liam and Niall had no problem going to other labels. IMO, Louis was kept under Simon’s thumb as punishment and as a way to control Harry.
Second, what do you actually think Harry should have done? I’m genuinely curious because people are always saying this. “He should have helped Louis.” But what do you mean? He should have told Jeff to reject all contract offers unless his boyfriend also got a better deal? How do we know Louis wanted his help? He’s awfully proud. I can’t see him wanting Harry to fight his battles. Be supportive and caring, yes. But try to pull strings? Is that what you mean? Introduce him to powerful people? And again, I ask: how do you know he didn’t try?
This is just such a circular argument because what you’re really saying is that Louis should have been given all the breaks Harry got. Which, sure. That would be amazing. But he didn’t. And that’s the way the world works.
And Louis knows this. So he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps and made a really good career for himself in spite of all the fuckers who tried to stop him. But comparing his success to Harry’s success and then begrudging Harry and feeling sorry for Louis, is pointless. And I really think that’s the last thing Louis would want.
Last, Harry left the band “most benefited” because Sony set their sights on him somewhere between 2011 and 2012. They had initially picked Liam as their breakout star. And you can see it from the beginning. But Harry had something the public responded to the most, so he became their golden boy. They were always going to sign him when the band eventually ended. And he had the ambition and talent to take the advantages he was being offered early on, and make something out of it all. The Azoffs weaseled their way in because they also noticed it.
None of this means the others weren’t also super talented and ambitious. But the label is only betting on one horse. They’re going to put all their money on the one who has the best chance of winning. And they decided it was Harry.
I did. I’m not getting my hopes up, either, but it would be so nice if it was the beginning of the end.
Also, not to be snarky, but if she’s paying £3K (about $3800 US) a month, she’s not living in any sort of lavish home here in LA. What’s the point of mentioning that? This whole thing is weird. At least they blurred out his face after nine years.
Sometimes I feel like people try to victimize Harry r or make him out to be a victim to compare his situation to Louis', just to fill in the gaps they have when they can't answer certain questions. He’s not a victim, and he never was. He decided to be part of the system.
Well, people do the exact same thing with Louis, too. Like someone needs to “rescue” him or something, and there are definitely a lot of unanswered questions on his side as well.
They’re victims of closeting and an incredibly repressive industry, no doubt about it. But they both also chose to stay in the industry, for their own individual reasons, and they’re both part of the system. There will always be biased opinions, and people have their faves, but it’s disgusting to pit them against each other like that, as if one is better because they’re a bigger victim. Seriously, what a ridiculous argument. They’re the same
People often forget that major industry figures, like Jeff, weren’t necessarily personal friends of Harry first. It’s not like Jeff is Harry’s personal Oli, just there for him without any business interests. //
But weren’t Jeff and Irving supposed to have adopted him into their family in 2013? It wasn’t an automatic business relationship since the beggining because Harry didn’t sign anything until 2016. I thought Jeff wanted to help Harry gain more freedom.
What 😂😂 Adopted? hahah where did this idea even come from?
From what I recall, during 2014–2015, Harry was seen a lot with Jeff, in particular. They seemed very, very close! At the time, I think most people (larries and non-larries) believed Full Stop was kind of there to save them from Modest. I fully believe they were involved in some sort of negotiation in that regard, but as we know, both Syco and Modest had very rigid contracts, so they ended up stuck with them until the end. Still, I do wonder if the outcome we saw was influenced by Full Stop… and that things could have been much worse without them.
But anyway, Harry is clearly very close to Jeff and Irving on a personal level. All I’m saying is that it’s very naive to think their relationship didn’t start from a professional connection first. I do believe Jeff was already working for Harry during that time, and their closeness developed from there. But I mean… believe whatever you want, anon. Just don’t be naive enough to think Jeff or his father were “helping” anyone out of the kindness of their hearts. It’s literally their job to “help” artists, and they get paid for it.
Hiii! I hope you're doing well <3 I've left the fandom due to life getting too chaotic in 2021 and i want to catch up! Any idea where to start?
Hi, anon! I don’t think there’s an easy way to do that, love… aside from scrolling through blogs and reading posts manually.
To make things easier, you can check MY TAGS and see if you can spot anything you might have missed. You can also use the archive feature on my blog (or any blog). Just go to https://skepticalarrie.tumblr.com/archive, and in the top left corner, you’ll find options to filter by year and month. That way maybe you can go through posts chronologically if that helps!
Hope that helps, and welcome back! (not much has been happening lately though lol.)
