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WASHINGTON - A pri- valved in Watergate. $100,000 for himself and for

vate investigator Richard These were among Col- the President, his family
Bast. says former White son's other allegations, as and the girls and my worst
House aide Charles Colson quoted by Bast: supposition is that the Pres-
thinks that President Nixon • Nixon is "a president ident thinks, if he really
is a prisoner of the CIA, the who is weak and under at- b Io w s this thing, that
military, billionaire Howard tack" and "is scared as hell Hughes can hlow the whis-
Hughes and of his own to alien tale the military and tie on him. Who knows if
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But Colson said yester-
ments." e Mrs. Dorothy Hunt,
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day that his talk with Bast
son: "Because of a coup?" Chicago in 1972 "was on
was exploratory and largely
Colson replied: "Yes." the CIA payroll the da}' she
conjectural.
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thought Nixon had received "1 don't say this to many
hand fashion, largely ex- some of a $100,000 pay- people because they think
ploring theories for many of menl made to bis friend. C. I'm nuts.J think the\' iuJl«N
whkh I have been unable to G. (Bebe) Rebozo, and on Dorothy tttmt, I really do.
obt~in factual s upport," t h a l account could be lC1rs. Hunt said that Water-
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ments r made to Bast, some "You want to know what but she worked for the CIA
of which appear to be accu- I really think?" Colson was to the day she di "
rately quoted, should not
therefore be read into any
quoted as saying. "I'm loyal e o ecret Service
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other context." friend, but I think Hughes d Nixon is surrounded b
Colson, who pleaded guil- paid Bebe that dough. I these guys," Colson said.
ty June 3 to a charge of ob-
structing justice in the Ells-
berg case, said he had In-
formed the Watergate pros-
ecution of his theories, ac-
cording to Bast.
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this stuff. They haven't
touched iL They've gone
out of their way not to,"
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ing.
Sources in the prosecu-
tion declined comment on
Colson's statements, but in-
dicated that they believe
that the White House, not
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,.~)(rnNETH J. P.ASER on June 30, 1972, disclose that E. HO'..IARD
·::-:·iroNT was last issued Passport B-1811567 at Washington, D.C.
· ('.me), on July 21, 1971, for propos2d business travel for one
:. month to France, England and Eelgiu.'Il. ::Ln his application,
' · ·::dated July 21, 1971, he stated his inten_tion to depart by air
· about .September, 197-1, and expected to take another trip abroad
. ·within two years. This passport was valid for five years'
t·"'-.::'.~:/'.''travel to all co,mtries except. Cuba, North Korea and North
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. validity ~henever and as often as desired without furtter
-· notification to the Department of State or other Gov~rCT.ent
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c~rtificate has been seen by passpo~t authorities. Ee gnve his
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:.'.: .. ·::Potomac, Y.c!ryland, home telephone 299-7366, business telephone
- · . 293-2900. In the event of cicath or accident, he req-Jested that
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<~·HOWARD HUNT, Jrt., was first issued Passport 638014 at \..'DC on
· June ·22, 1939, for proposed pleasu:::-e travel for two ::-:cnths to
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"'years·:· His ?e=anent residence -.ias then listed as ~i-~5 L'l.ncaster }·.
Av~nue, · Buff~lo,. Kew York. Hi's father served as hi97 ider,tifyir.~
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:.1941. his father, on his stat!onery as an attorney at 163 Allen
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was then on duty· with the Nc.vy and residing at that Albany -:-·~'-~-.S,."'!C"'i~ ~~
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13850 at New York City on February 20, 1943, to expire, on ·. -.-·;:.
August 20, 1943, not valid for travel in any country except . .. ·.'!-~-· ..:;s,i
·Australia for ne;i.spaper work and nec<'ssary countries en route •.~-;;:;;~­
This application dated February 10, 19l13, at Ne·.1 York City was :]!{:-. '.:l~
supported by a letter dated FebrJary 9 1943; from DANIEL · c'?~~ ~l~-
LOl!GWELL, E:cecutive Editor, "Life", stating that h1.li<T was a .. ::;fJ;:.":_:.~ -;&:,;
member of the staff of ti:iat magazine who was pr_cceeding abroad--~\{{!_
with the Pacific fleet with eventual assignment with- an Army . _,c\-.,.·
unit sorne"lolhere in the Pacific. His draft board number- 343 - .,._..,;""';fj-
at Albany issued the appropri2te permit. He gave his per:::;anent.''.?.':';':
residence at that time as 192 Euclid .'ov=nue, Albany, New York, _·;,.;:,~;-·-
He stated that he had been in Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden,.<(:i\}Y . ,.
• Holl'l:nd, France, England and Scotla~d ~rom_ June to September~~;·:~~_·.. \j:
1939. He listed his father as EVE?-ETT.:. HOwAFD HUNT, born at --"' ., ,~:· i-J.
Hamburg, Ve\¥ York, in Dece!:lber, 1889, "nd his mother as ET&""'L'""~•~',~?- ~{f;
JE;w HUNT, born at Car:iegie, Pennsylvania, in ~13y, 1893. -.1.~~;~j~~t~~----~-_:s _
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Guggenheim c!emorial Foundation scholarship. On September 19, _:;:'-;'-~: ~,~~
1946, he was informed that the 1943 passport ;iould be expiring .,_;.: ~/--~
on February 2{), 1947, so he might like to apply for a new one ... ~'._,_~~ :·~;
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Chicago a:7tel to WFO, IZ/13/72.
Chicago a!=~el tc E~:e~u, 12/1~ 1 '72.
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OJicago Police Co:nr::a!1de::, P.:.G!-IARD 1-!C CUi'-?.IE, Eighth District,

Police -Department, furr:ishecl t'.-ie following information:

United Airlines .fl igi1t 553, e •.: routc.> fro::! Washington,

D. C. to Chicaeo i'~.:.c...,c.y .f.i-::pc-L t, c::as!ir:c: w;i..le o.pproachi1,,:;
Midway :iirport on Decenber B, 1972, To date, 45 persons are
kno>.'li dead, The cause o:: t:ie <·.c·.::ici2:1t >:2:0 bco.:.:eveC: to be me-
chanical failure a:ici/ o:c· c-ilot e:-ror. Th'"r" ¥c>.s i10 ev .:.dence
of an i11tentio:1al clesc-n.:-:~.'o,. of t~.c?. nlc.,:c. Ti1ere >icrc 18 sur-
vivors,

Jlmo1:g the dG1ci wc.s o.1e D0?.0:1:.r W:J?·T, 11120. R5.ver Ro2d,
Potomac, !-iaryland. s:1e: UO'.S :i.d.ectified £:t"os pcrso;ial effects O:l
her perso:-., and a visu<;l ~de,rtif:'.ca::::.on w2s r.1af.e by her husba1,C:,
EVERETTE.: HO\J,\i<D HJ :T,

Recovere2 frcr: n pu::-.se co ..1t2::..::_.:r;; id~:itificat:Lon of·

Hrs. HULff was S10,ooo.oo ii: o~.e hu.c1c::eC: dollc:r bills. This
money is r..ow in the custociy of the l~v i·.ience ""'d Recovered Prop-
erty Sectio;, of the Police DepaYtrr.ent under t'.-ieir i:;ventory ~=­
ber 10765, He felt certain t'1at no i:.:ventor•· l-lc.s made of the
bills by serial ilUmber. ii2 i-:2.:; iiot &'1-:aye o:f° a::y checkbooks or
passbooks recovered from Mrs, HUlu'.

Comma11der 1'1C CI..1?. J:.:~:2 st2te2'..

DUELI1'1A~·7 may be ab2.e to ::'.:u:::-;1.:.s:, :a::;re th;;.t L.;.euter,an~ P.A::.n:.
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JAIUARY, 15, 1973, HE POSSESSED 3 UNUSED AIRLIIE. TICKETS

RECOVERED rROM CRASH SCENE or OiITED AIR LINES FLIGHT
553 AT CHICAGO 01 12-8-72. THIS WAS CRASH II WHICH MRS.
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JU!fBER 916~2021S&3638 ISSUED

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Skolnick also maintains that Rennie times. So for better or worse, I hold the
Davis, Abby Hoffman, and most of the dubious distinction of having been to

SKJ
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:~: ~1~: Chicago Seven, leaders oft~he Supreme Court of the United

•a 0 g ue ~ F.J f1a ~ during the 1968 Democratic~ -States more times than any other per-
Convention, are all CIA agents. Here, son in the history of the country.

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again, he cites argument after argument COQ: So you never got your money
9 to make his case. Skolnick is equa/~y back?
. B · adamant about the conspiracy theory SKOLNICK: No. But the point is that
involving President Kennedy's assassi- I found that other people had also
A wide grin creases Sherman Ska/- nation. But most startling of all, he been swindled in the courts. Therefore
nick's face when you ask him if he broadly hints that Nixon himself may in 1963 we formed the Citizens' Com-
sleeps well, or rvhether his dreams are a have had a .hand in the rragic affair. mittee to Clean Up the Courts. We fig-
nightmarish pastiche of shadowy in- Jt was rvith such -claims in-minQ rhat ured this \Vas a name that no illiterate,
trigues and dark conspiracies. "Sure I COQ recently sat down wirh Skolnick 10 crooked judge could possibly mistake
sleep well," he replies, but rhere's some- discuss these and other matters. The as. to \Vhat -.,ve \Vere into. \Ve made a
thing in the way he says it that suggesrs talk lasted almost five hours. At one -study of all the bank cases in the Fed-
that Ska/nick's nightmares begin not point the phone rang and che ocher end era! Court of Appeals covering a ten-
when he sleeps but when he awakens. went dead. Earlier, Ska/nick's one- year period. We found that there were
For from that moment, Skolnick is a armed chauffeur mysteriously worded a 27 cases, and 26 of them were won by
man for whom every ring of che phone, message to his boss and sudden(y hur- the banks. We then determined who
letter in the mail, or knock on the door ried off. It }Vas Holmes, Chan, and a bit the judges were hearing these cases,
takes on the ominous tone of a Kafka of Bond combined. It was Sherman and they were bankers. We compiled
novel. It is an existence that Skolnick Skolnick-muckracker, gadfly, fighter information on the state of bribery.
has not quite grown _accustomed to- of the never-ending bartlefor truth,jus- We figured out exactly how you go
like Alice .in Wondenand, excepc that tice, and the American way-in the set- about bribing a judge, and things of
Ska/nick's "wonderland" is far more vi- ring he likes best. that sort, You don't bribe him in an
olent and bizarre chan anything A lice The interview wa-1 conducted by Ste- alley, by the way.
ever witnessed. Since 1967, in a virtual
.. ·-- one:..man cr.J.sade, Skolnick.hos bucked.
crooked politicians, the syndicate, cor-
ven Feldman, Fram;ois Roberr, Nancy COQ: You've branched out from in-
Sundquis(,,and Lesley Sussm_an. 0
vestigating the courts to include politi-
COQ: How did you get into this rack---· cal figures. For .. example,-you'v'e
I
rupt government officials, and a sus- 'et? charged that the Chicago Seven \Vere
pected agent provocateur or nvo. SKOLNICK: Some 15 or 16 years ago, on government payroll.
Confined co a wheelchair because of my folks put some money in trust for SKOLNICK: We traced their money
polio, ru"7tning zhe show out of his living me, and the people who were sup- to the CIA through foundations. Be-
room with the help of a small, dedicated posed to administer the trust abscond- sides, they got half a million dollars
volunteer sea.ff, Skolnick has nonethe- ed with the money. From there \Ve for the street riot5 five years ago.
less managed to gather enough evidence ended up in the courts. In the begin- COQ: Who got it?
to knock an Illinois governor our of his ning I had a lawyer representing me, SKOLNICK: Oh, Rennie Davis and
seat, remove several corrnpt judges. and and we spent some nine years in the those people. That's why I got arrest-
predict the resignation of former Vice courts trying to get the money back. ed. During the taping of a TV show l
President Spiro Agnew months before
he stepped down from office. All of
We finally ended up in the State Su-
preme Court, and by that point I had
confronted Rennie and he wouldn't
answer. Instead, the police showed up I
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which has taken its toll on Skolnick.He studied enough law so that I was able and took me away.
has been arrested, harassed, and dis- t.o represent myself. Round about COQ: How did you develop your in-
credited by his powerful political ene- 1961, I took up the study oflaw on my formation? Where did you get your i
mies, much along the same lines as Jim o\.vn. My house-at one time had,6000 first in..~ling that there might be some- I
Garrison, Ma ...k Lane, and i\1artha law books. I found out _going through thing ... ?
Mitchell. the courts that there was really no jus- SKOLNICK: Just from putting bits
In fact, Skolnick has managed to tice. There \Vas more conflict of inter- and pieces together. \Ve compile in-
step on so many thumbs that he has had est. I found that there were other peo- formation on foundations, and after a
more government agents calling on him ple similarly situated who had been while you get to know which founda-
chan have neighbors down the block. "done in" in the courts. I spent years in tions are connected \Vi th Central Intel-
But If Skolnick has proved to be a Jere- the courts, and I couldn't get any satis- ligence: the J.M. Kaplan Fund in New
miah of sorts, on some occasions he is faction. The case involving my trust York, the Ne\V World Foundation of
still more the master of the art of srar- fund banged around five times to the Chicago, and others.
tl!ng disclosures-many of which still U.S. Sup;eme Court. I also became COQ: Can you prove these cbnnec-
remain to be prove.d true. For instance: interested in doing some public good, tions?
He strong!;' asserts that the United Air and I worked on some public-interest SKOLNICK: Sure, some of them have
Lines plane that crashed in Chicago in cases that didn't involve me personal- come out already. The National Stu-
1972, and 1Vhich carried .lvfrs. Hott ard 1 ly. Sort of what are loosely kno\vn as dent Association, the \Vorld Group of
l'{uru a.board, 1Vas planned b.Y govern- ''class actions." As a result of that, Jurists, and others like these were
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fronts. These are the foundations that
and Ford Motor never had their facili-
ties appropriated when the Bolsheviks
principal stockholders of United Air
Lines? Rockefeller.
supplied the Chicago Seven \\'ith ail came to po\v~r? COQ: What if Mrs. Hunt had booked
the money. COQ: You've been on a Rockefeller a flight on American?
COQ: How do you know they got thing lately. Is something going on? SKOLNICK: You want to go through
money? SKOLNICK: The reason we got into the whole corporate study of United
SKOLNICK: The foundations are the that is that it helps explain some phe- Air Lines? You're forcing me to go
only entities in the country that must nomena in this country that othenvise into a little philosophy. Two factions
file public tax returns. We compile are inexplicable. So one of the hip struggle for control of this country.
those, and we were able to show, for things we got into was this plane crash.
The one faction you're all aware of is
example, that the Parvin Foundation, COQ: The one at Midway Airport in Nixon and his group of whatever you
headed up by Justice Douglas. was a 1972, with Mrs. Howard Hunt on it? \Vant to call then1.1\Ti.xon Vl'as a Rocke-
CIA front. SKOLNICK: Yes. At first we \Vanted feller man. When he lost in politics in
COQ: Do you have any vie\vs on \Va- to tum back on it because a lot has 1962, he supposedly was broke. He
tergate? happened to me and my friends which then moved into a $175,000 condo-
SKOLNICK: Watergate to us does not would have made anybody with more minium in Rockefeller's building, the
stand for burglarin!!, it stands for mur- sense than us give up. same building that Rockefeller lives
der. Since June -17, 1972, several COQ: What do you mean? in, and then \Vent on a $200,000-a-
hundred people have been murdered SKOLNICK: I mean we were fucked year speaking tour. Just to keep him
because of the break-in. One of Don- over so much. \\1e should have quit.
busy. He then became a partner in a
ald Segretti's associates, for example, COQ: Who fucked you over?
law firm that does a lot of Rockefeller
was murdered in an alleged accident.
-~·r £1 work. From 1962 to about 1966, he
There have been other attempts at
murder. \Vatere:ate is a continuation
ofa decade of Political assassinations.
l!C"'7\ -~ , ~' j was in Rockefeller's pocket. Nixon got
wealthy. What Rockefeller either
v.•asn't a\vare of or overlooked \Vas
COQ: You're the latest in a growing ',.cl ' . "-.. , ... ~ ·1
list of people such as Mark Lane, Jim that Nixon, from the Second World
Garrison, and ;\fartha Mitchell who \\'ar on, \Vas very much in \Vith the
are ridiculed for their conspiracy gangsters. Sundance magazine \Vent
. - I
theories. How do you feel about it? . - ·~ l into a whole detailed study of Nixon
and the lvlafia from about 1944 on.
j- . --~ ..~ ~---~~?':~::--~' - . .
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SKQI,NIC_K: Well,) answer it with a --
I Nixon -v,ias in·· v.•ith -the people \Vho -...

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joke. It's a paranoid subject. But the

· way things are' going in this country; if \Vere in the tire recapping rackets dur-
you're not paranoid, you're crazy.
I
ing the Second \\1orld \\1ar. Nixon at
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1
\ \ e've found that government com-

plicity exists in the ·assassination field,

.-. /
~1>18,
- -.., one time \\'anted to set up a business in
Havana during the Batista regime.
And there were two people who head-
in the political field, in the peace field.
A percentage of the bombing of gov-
ernment buildings has been done by
;'l£0ffi~··:-: . -.·
-~--tifit'--''1 ~........_
j
ed up the Bay of Pigs, t\VO overseers:
Richard Nixon and· E. Howard Hunt.
~--- And so Nixon had quite a bit to do
provocateurs. \\1ell, ho\\' are the tax- SKOLNICK: The FBl, different gov-
payers served when government ernment phenomena. My closest with the Mafia. A lot of the people re·
agents born b government buildings? friend spent 40 days in jail without a cruited for the Bay of Pigs were gang-
A notorious example \Vas in Seattle. trial because of this Midway crash. ster types. They were not paid in
As a result of the unemployment COQ: What was the charge? money, they were paid in heroin, and
there, people \Vere getting restless. The SKOLNICK: There wasn't any. We they sold that and raised money with
FBI staged an incident to blame on picketed the street for five or six that. But from 1966 on, Nixon depart-
the radicals-they bombed the post of- weeks. We raised all· kinds of shit. It ed from the super-elitists, the intellec-
fice. But the FBI has got toilet-training \Vas an illegal detention. tuals, the liberals, as they call them,
hang-ups. They're always· bombing COQ: How did you get him out? and fell back into his previous back-
johns. During the Haiphong harbor SKOLNICK: We raised all kinds of ground with Rebozo and Lansky.
mining protests, they bombed the noise. For the first time in the history There are t\VO things that are in the
V1 1omen's
john in the Pentagon. \Vhat of our group we picketed the streets. I \vorks llO\V \Vhich will force Nixon
great radical thing is bombing a john? don't like to. picket. The weather is either to leave office or leave the coun-
You find that the czars did the same. bad, you know. And publicly I usually try. I attended a conference on politi-
COQ: Did you know that Stalin was a go in the \Vheelchair. I don't v.·ant to cal assassination research last Thanks-
member of the Czar's secret police? v.•ear out the tires on my aluminum giving weekend. One of the things
SKOLNICK: Well, if you want to get wheelchair. that's coming up, which is very hip, is
into a broad philosophical subject, I COQ: How does this tie in with Rock- -that Nixon is going to be implicated in
can sho\\' you documentation that the efeller? President Kennedy's assassination.
Russian Revolution was financed in SKOLNICK: We found out .who was There's a link between Dallas and
New York through the Rockefellers as involved in the crash. We did a study V..'atergate. You've got to read a book
an experiment in socialism. Ho\v of the whole thing. Who had an inter· called Fareivell, America. It's one of
many people know that Standard Oil est to crash the plane? Who are the the books that's banned in the United
58 COQ
 was never made a part of the United
Stuart Publishers. It's about David
States, and it tells about the CIA's in- States. If he ever goes to his Florida
Rockefeller. The Rockefellers own,
volvement with the assassination. \Vhite House, he's not in the United
you might say, the mass media. They
We've got very few copies left, but I'll States. \\1e can't sen'e a summons on
own 17 percent of CBS, they're the
give you one. \\' e obtained some cop- him or do anything.
principal stockholders in RCA, which
ies by devious means, and \Ve use them COQ: Presumably Meyer Lansky
has as a subsidiary the NBC network,
to raise money for our organization. In could help him get to the Bahamas.
and they have a major interest in
other words, you donate ten dollars, I SKOLNICK: Yeah.
ABC. So the three networks are owned
give vou one free. Bookstores cannot COQ: Your credibility, which has
and operated by the Rockefellers.
~ell the book. They can't import it, it's never been very great. ...
Then through their various banking
illegal. U.S. Customs doesn't allow it. SKOLNICK: Credibility with whom?
interests in Chase Manhattan Bank
The book shows that leaders of the as- COQ: With a mass of people who fol-
and others, they have a good \Vorking
sassination attempt met the night be- low you. You went before the Mi!lway
interest in every major paper that you
fore, or tv.ro days before, and planned plane crash hearing and couldn't real-
v.1ant to talk about: The }lev.1 York
theJast-miJlute things. Nixon and J. ly baci-: up your charges.
Times, the Field papers,_ e.tc.
Edgar Hoover two days before Dallas SKOLNICK: Now wait a minute.
COQ: How would you describe Rock-
met at an oil millionaire's ranch 1 and When I showed up with three suitcases
on the morning of the assassination efeller? filled with documents, I spread them
SKOLNICK: He's not an American. I
Nixon took flight 82 to New York. out on a big table. Reporters had
The other major accusation against heard of this hearing and came from
Nixon \Vill concern a gambling place all over the Western world. I spread
called Paradi.se Island. The gambling out on the table the entire government
casino is kno\VIl to the press, but file on the crash which I told the Safety
they're \vaiting for a strategic moment. Board then in session that I had stolen.
It's owned by the international gang- If they wanted to prosecute me that
., ster Meyer Lansky, by Bebe Rebozo, would be the time and place. We had
and by Richard Nixon. over 1300 pages of exhibits, reports,
I associate with reporters from all photographs, and diagrams, which,
over the world. Occasionally, they say, when you analyze them step by step,
''Hey, I've got this stOI)', I can't move shO\\' that this \Vas not an accident.
with it, you got an idea?" In April I ~~ The government proposed to suppress
~·~2 __det~iling \Vhat ~·as going to hap- ...~A.. ~"'·..,,.. _t_his Jike the Warren Commission
pen with Agnew. When ilrdAgnew g1C- • -(f ·~- -jJ·1«fm,,;,,;w-- ' - documents:-Excepi we headed it off by -- -
put to the wall? On the day that tlie .. / / . I .............. siealing it all. Therefore, if your judg-
Senate Watergate Committee re- ,. • ' ' I ment about my credibility is based
cessed for the su.mm~r. On that day : / .) ~~--·~;;; upon \Vhat the media ran, then you
the press started m wlth Agnew. Why •~'} ~- : rightfully say that I have no credibil-
ity. Ho\vever, the Associated Press ran
didn't they start in April? They had all ,,.-/-
the facts. It's a scenario. It is orches-
trated by what is loosely known as the ..
~~lr..iill~·~ .. ~·.....-:~i Skolnick today was at a special hear-
a story that \Vas accurate. They said .

become depleted he will put his foot . ing of the National Transportation
i Rockefeller element, \Vhat is kno\Vn as
stronger into the other country, Rus- Safety Board and has presented a
the Council on Foreign Relations.
I They pushed Agnew out. Agnew i.s
sia. Like some of the other oil million- heavily documented case of sabotage.
aires, he has no country. Their country This \Vire service story \Vas not run by
very much in with Rockefeller. They
is \Vhere the business is.
threw one of their people out in order. COQ: Did you say that Ford was a any major paper in the United States,
to get at Nixon. even though it was on the A wire. It
Rockefeller man? · ran in a couple of small papers near
r'!I COQ: Why?
SKOLNICK: In Heritage of Stone, Jim
SKOLNICK: Well, in a way.
COQ: So why did Nixon pick him?
Garrison says that Gerald Ford is one SKOLNICK: Nixon had nothing to do
Seattle and in a few small Southern
papers. The rest of them took a differ-
of the people the CIA likes the most. with it. He's no longer in contr~l. It is
ent position entirely.
Ford sat on the \Varren Commission, of no consequence \Vhat Nixon does. COQ: Let's try to make sense of the
United Air Lines crash. What do you
as did Leon Jaworski as special coun- COQ: Why ·doesn't he figbt?
SKOLNICK: His options are dimin- think happened?
sel to the Commission.
COQ: What about Archibald Cox? ishing. He's getting down to the point SKOLNICK: Mrs. Hunt carried two
,I SKOLNICK: Cox for years has been where he's implicated in the Kennedy
million dollars of valuables traceable
to CREEP. We have two witnesses to
one of Rockefeller's people. Rockefel- assassination. They'll shoot him and that. She had what amounted to a
.i ler surrounds Ni.xon now. He's got get away \vith it. His options are gone. document that was probably one of
Haig in there, he's got Kissinger, \Vho COQ: Why doesn't he flee the coun- the most controversial documents in
used to be a director of the Rockefeller try? recent history. It shows that t\\10 weeks
Foundation. Nixon is surrounded, SKOLNICK: I made a study of that. after Jack Kennedy's election in 1960,
he's not the President anymore. There Do you know where he has hi.s Florida the incumbent President, Eisenhower,
is a book that only circulates around in White House? It's not in the United for reasons \Vhich he thought v.rere
a limited way called David from Lyle States. It's in old Spanish territory that COQ
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best for the Republic, signed an order we ordered a large pizza. He wanted seat belts and fold up your food table
for Kennedy's removal. It was author;: everything on it, and it cost $17.95. So right? Well, you could say that on;
ized by the National Security Council he tells this joke. That was a good joke. . person forgot to fold up his table, but
and to be put immediately in the ar- COQ: You've charged that the plane how could most of the food tables be
chives. Mrs. Hunt was carrying that had extraordinary amounts of cya- folded out?
document. Now, whether her husband nide. But the official report denies No doctors or nurses or ambulances
fabricated that document based on that. that responded to the crash emergency
other historical evidence or \Vhether it SKOLNICK: That's much in dispute. were allowed to go to the plane. They
is a true document, I don't kno\\'. But By the way, the pilot had an inter- were all kept in a garage 30 to 40 feet
four documents that she had with her esting name, Captain Whitehouse. Of away. One doctor went toward the
on the plane by some miracle flooded the Three people in the cockpit, the plane and a nameless, faceless person,
away from that plane, beyond the pilot is the only one who had cyanide, who the doctor thought was FBI and
crash zone, beyond the FBI, and got and he had 3.9 micrograms per milli- who had the area blocked off, said that
caught in a.bush. Some little old lady liter. You don't breathe after 1.0, everybody \Vas dead and there was no
had it for several months. This lady is you're \viped out, while 3:9-is impossi- need for doctors. An ambulance driver
not in politics, she is not a spy. She ble by inhalation. Only by injection or \Vas not allo\ved to go any closer ei-
didn't know what to do with it. It final- ingestion, not by inhalation, can 3.9 ther, even though he heard people
ly ended up with us. milliliter be gotten in your body. screaming on the plane. Hundreds of
COQ: You have these documents? Therefore, this pilot was four times FBI men had taken the area over and
SKOLNICK: We are in possession of dead, thus indicating foul play. There kept everyone out, including police.
them. \\'e have \Vritten a book about is other circumstantial proof to shO\\' COQ: Why were there so many FBI
it, and the book is going to be pub- ;·~,··· -~ £1 agents? ·
·. - - .'. .. . . ( -1
lished, I think, in Europe. I don't think
it can be published in the United
States, because the document so much
,fJ /. ·.
<~:,- -~ £~
~) l SKOLNICK: Of the 12 Warergate
people who were on the plane, one
survived. She is half out of her mind
as says that Nixon, \vho \Vas a member
of the National Security Council, or-
~~'}
(/ .
, 1 by terror because of this crash. She
keeps moving every month to a differ-
dered the demise of Jack Kennedy for .: )~....,..-: __ :::~. I ent address. She's got triple locks on
her house. She told one of our staff
\vhat he thought patriotic reasons. ,.;
i::, COQ: How do you know that is an of- / ; people that when she gets to know us
. l d
fi c1a ? .. _,..._ .
better she will tell us about the terrible
ocument. ____ . ___ .. _ . __ ---· ,)+C-?~... -;~.~~~-- _ - - - - - _ L
~~~\~::ac::.~e~e~s ~~ w:; ~fv~~~~~
1
-~,~~-~-~· wa.ei"' ' ~-
thlilg.S"tha.t \\;entolliiithe-cabillbefofe-
: l the crash. We believe that some of
ing it. I am not \Vith the government. i !·· I ~ Mrs. Hunt's luggage \Vas stolen. She
COQ: May we see that doc.ument? : '~· j -~-~'f:P '• "'<" . had some under her seat that \Vas sto-
SKOLNICK: I won't show it to any- J >,·· _ .Z'L. .. 1 len before the <:rash. We believe she
body. It will come out in our book. ."!..·.- .. ,, 1 was murdered. Why else did the FBI
COQ: You see, Sherman, you should ·. , . ·· .• ' . j not allow the body bags to be exam-
be open with people. You're playing : /!fi('!llie&.ttji;jf~. '* • ,,' ined and refuse last rites to be admin-
the same government games that the pilot was dead before the crash. istered?
you're supposedly against. Flight regulations provide that, at COQ: Wasn't there any autopsy?
SKOLNICK: No, no, you can inter- minimum, the pilot must fly the first SKOLNICK: No. The FBI had
vie\\' the \Vitnesses. five minutes and the last five minutes. stripped all the bodies of all their pos-
COQ: That's not the point. Could we During the last two and a half minutes sessions, all their rings, credit cards,
see the document? we don't hear from the pilot at all. He everything. The press was either not
SKOLNICK: I can show you a facsimi- is not flying. The copilot and the sec- diligent enough to knov.• about all this
le of it. I'll tell you something. Six ond officer are talking. or didn't \Vant to kno\v, because report-
man ths ago, if a reporter came to me, I But our case does not stand or fall ers for all the major papers simply put
\VOuld shO\V him practicaJly every- on the cyanide issue. For example, their bylines on press releases.
thing that \Vas in the house. I gave most of the food tables \Vere in the COQ: What advice do you have for
up that idea after what Rolling Stone serving position. When the plane's young people?
did to me. Their reporter, Terry landing, those food tables have got to SKOLNICK: The United States is the
Sheridan, \Vhom r,..-e knovln for more be dO\Vll, and the biggest crash in the last place in the world for those who
than three years, once \Vrote a story \Vorld cannot dislodge those food ta- want to lead a life of freedom. We are
that was objective about us. It didn't b!es. This indicates that the ground the last place, there is no other place to
necessarily praise us but merely told controllers misdirected the plane, so go. There was a thing called the Amer-
the truth about our work. So then that the crew thought they were in a ican Dream, but it has probably been
Terry Sheridan \\'rites a four-page landing pattern and not about to land. gone for a hundred years now. It has
I stOI)' in Rolling Stone without refer- The FBI and the Safety Board did not been taken over by the Rockefellers,
ring to the documents. He was there tell the public that many died by being the Marshall Fields, the Camegies,
I during the two days of hearings. In-
stead he \Vrote that \Vhile he \Vas at my
crushed against the food tables. What
do they tell you \vhen you're ap-
and the rest of them. There is no such
thing as free enterprise. There is no
.I house a week or two after the hearings preaching the airport? Fasten your such thing as justice. CO~