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the great complainer
American economists like Paul Krugman and Maurice Obstfeld deny that foreigners can drive US internal imbalances, but if Chinese consumption responds to Chinese policies, this means that by controlling its trade and capital account, Beijing drives not just China's internal imbalances but also its external imbalances (the two must always be perfectly aligned). But if Chinese policies can drive its external imbalances, they also drive the external imbalances of the rest of the world and, like it or not, "the rest of the world" might include the US.

@raginrayguns Pettis today; I think Krugman can still claim that Reagan is responsible for the imbalances by noting his role in financial deregulation? or there is this commentary:

Tax differences also influence international capital flows. Both defenders and critics of the Reagan administration’s 1981 tax cuts agree that they caused increased capital inflows during the eighties. Defenders argue that U.S. investments became more profitable after tax than non-U.S. investments, both to U.S. investors and to foreign investors, while critics argue that large federal deficits drew the capital inflows.

but the timeline in China is something like this:

1976: Mao Zedong dies 1978: Deng Xiaoping takes power 1979: first special economic zone, joint ventures, foreign investment 1984: price liberalisation and moves away from central planning

this led to the biggest economic turnaround in world history:

In the pre-reform period, industry was largely stagnant and the socialist system presented few incentives for improvements in quality and productivity. With the introduction of the dual-price system and greater autonomy for enterprise managers, productivity increased greatly in the early 1980s. Foreign enterprises and newly formed Township and Village Enterprises, owned by local government and often de facto private firms, competed successfully with state-owned enterprises. By the 1990s, large-scale privatizations reduced the market share of both the Township and Village Enterprises and state-owned enterprises and increased the private sector's market share. The state sector's share of industrial output dropped from 81% in 1980 to 15% in 2005. Foreign capital controls much of Chinese industry and plays an important role.
From virtually an industrial backwater in 1978, China is now the world's biggest producer of concrete, steel, ships and textiles, and has the world's largest automobile market. Chinese steel output quadrupled between 1980 and 2000, and from 2000 to 2006 rose from 128.5 million tons to 418.8 million tons, one-third of global production. Labor productivity at some Chinese steel firms exceeds Western productivity. From 1975 to 1992, China's automobile production rose from 139,800 to 1.1 million, rising to 9.35 million in 2008. Light industries such as textiles saw an even greater increase, due to reduced government interference. Chinese textile exports increased from 4.6% of world exports in 1980 to 24.1% in 2005. Textile output increased 18-fold over the same period.
This increase in production is largely the result of the removal of barriers to entry and increased competition; the number of industrial firms rose from 377,300 in 1980 to nearly 8 million in 1990 and 1996; the 2004 economic census, which excluded enterprises with annual sales below RMB 5 million, counted 1.33 million manufacturing firms, with Jiangsu and Zhejiang reporting more firms than the nationwide total for 1980. Compared to other East Asian industrial growth spurts, China's industrial performance exceeded Japan's but remained behind South Korea and Taiwan's economies.

Reagan cutting taxes, running deficits, and raising interest rates obviously had an economic effect but China changing from a Maoist backwater to the industrial powerhouse of the world surely had more of an impact (and of course Japan, Korea, and Taiwan also maintained their export surplus throughout this period).

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martial arts nerds duel by lunging forward with obscure trivia and parrying it away with pedantic rebuttals

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from like a fiscal perspective george w bush was just so bad... remember the budget surplus? That may have been wiped out by the recession at the beginning of george w's term in any case, but he went through with cutting taxes despite that, then started expensive wars for apparently no benefit. Possibly created some of the trade problems that led to the Trump victory, I mean the federal budget deficit is larger than the trade deficit, part of what's going on is that china's loaning the US all the money, basically trading goods for an IOU, idk how it compares to other factors but it's the right order of magnitude at least so it's one of the big considerations. Like trade deficit is like a trillion, budget deficit is over a trillion. Iraq and afghanistan were multi-trillion dollar wars each so just those is the magnitude of years of the deficit

oh yeah and the housing bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis. Idk the govt role exactly or how much the president matters for that tho we do have this weird thing in the US where mortgages basically come from the govt in some way. I don't rly get it

bad financial regulation aside, the US has crumbling century old infrastructure that badly needs upgrading while it was blowing trillions on pointless projects in Iraq and Afghanistan; presumably America today would be a lot richer if 25 years ago it had been rebuilding all the bridges and tunnels that now won't be finished until 2035 or whenever.

I love the optimism of 2035

hey I did say "or whenever", I know how these things go!

Fair and reasonable!

As a dispirited American I would've personally ended that sentence after "won't be finished."

So I sardonically "love" the "optimism" but also, it feels legitimately optimistic to me.

I think American infrastructure projects do get finished, eventually, they just start later than they should and take twice as long as planned and cost ten times as much as expected, but they do get finished.

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[Guy who is about to make an overall correct point but has also misremembered the plot of A Christmas Carol] They say that failure is an orphan, much like Tiny Tim, but

success has many fathers, much like Tiny Tim,

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My version of memento mori is each time I post a joke I imagine an eighteenth century fop in garish makeup and a big hat chortling derisively, “Ooh, he fancies himself a wit!” Keeps me humble.

ooh, a funnyman!

*chortling at Narcissus* ooh, he fancies himself!

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Kindof ironic that George W. Bush was the one who finally killed the Agreed Framework. Like, his signature foreign policy accomplishments include

  • Spending trillions of dollars on a war to keep a dictator from getting weapons of mass destruction
  • Going, "eh, whatever, that dictator can have some nuclear weapons"

personally I put not restarting the Korean War on the plus side of Bush’s ledger and Iraq on the negative

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a lightsaber is basically a switchblade katana

Imagine a world in which laser swords are common, but the typical laser sword is always on, you put some kind of sheath over it when you’re not using it. The lightsaber that can be turned on or off at will is seen as transgressive, illegal in most jurisdictions, a sign that you’re planning some kind of surprise violence, carrying one marks you as a criminal.

An elegant weapon from a more civilized age? More of Obi-Wan’s bullshit. That’s the dishonorable weapon of an assassin. The civilized Jedi knight would carry a laser sword that’s plainly visible in a dimly lit room even when sheathed, a laser sword that hums constantly to the point that you can hear the moment the Jedi walks into a crowded room. When a Jedi knight was coming to get you, you knew.

the neon whiffle bat, an elegant weapon for a more civilised age

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from like a fiscal perspective george w bush was just so bad... remember the budget surplus? That may have been wiped out by the recession at the beginning of george w's term in any case, but he went through with cutting taxes despite that, then started expensive wars for apparently no benefit. Possibly created some of the trade problems that led to the Trump victory, I mean the federal budget deficit is larger than the trade deficit, part of what's going on is that china's loaning the US all the money, basically trading goods for an IOU, idk how it compares to other factors but it's the right order of magnitude at least so it's one of the big considerations. Like trade deficit is like a trillion, budget deficit is over a trillion. Iraq and afghanistan were multi-trillion dollar wars each so just those is the magnitude of years of the deficit

oh yeah and the housing bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis. Idk the govt role exactly or how much the president matters for that tho we do have this weird thing in the US where mortgages basically come from the govt in some way. I don't rly get it

bad financial regulation aside, the US has crumbling century old infrastructure that badly needs upgrading while it was blowing trillions on pointless projects in Iraq and Afghanistan; presumably America today would be a lot richer if 25 years ago it had been rebuilding all the bridges and tunnels that now won't be finished until 2035 or whenever.

I love the optimism of 2035

hey I did say "or whenever", I know how these things go!

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@argumate wait can you repeat why you're so dismissive of Krugman's take that the US federal budget deficit caused the trade deficit? I thought you said something about the timing but it seems to work out

the spikes in 1940 don't work out but that's cause the US ran a deficit during the war and then invested enormously in postwar europe. Then budget deficit and trade deficit are both small, then they both pick up in the 80s, which is when republicans started creating huge deficits by cutting taxes--reagan, then w. bush, then trump (though the trade balance graph doesn't cover trump)

EDIT: @argumate i remembered, cause it continued at low interest rates

the mechanism he proposes connecting budget deficit to trade deficit is interest rates, right? as in:

Americans institute low tax / high spending -> budget deficit -> interest rates rise -> attracts foreign capital investment -> foreigners build factories and orient their societies around export growth

so if we're investigating this by eyeballing graphs I think you want these pairs of graphs:

(budget deficit, interest rates) (interest rates, foreign capital inflows) (foreign capital inflows, foreign trade imports)

if the competing hypothesis is this:

foreigners industrialise and push exports -> America deindustrialises and takes imports

then the question is whether we can distinguish these mechanisms by looking at the same graphs and trying to judge the timing, or if there is more illuminating data to consider

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Anonymous asked:

I kinda perceived Vetinari to be sort of a psychopath who takes IMMENSE pride in being able to achieve things no one else could by means no one else thinks of or dismisses outright bc it's too unlikely/difficult. Hence the relatively bloodless dictatorship, the "Oh I never give orders, I just suggest things and people are all too happy to oblige" attitude etc. Like he's not actually trying to help the city for the sake of the people, it's just his vanity project that he CAN run it cleanly.

yes that seems plausible!

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While this is definitely intended as like, a potential read, its also (imo) intended to be a false impression. Thats the persona he projects, but we so see numerous instances that indicate he does actually love the city.

we do! but then we also see instances of him keeping up appearances even in situations when he knows nobody is around...

If anything it's actually harder to make a system that's expressive enough to do interesting things and prevent it from being turing-complete

that is to say it's really hard to make complex systems that can do one thing but not everything

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"like they’re there but also not" like the (admittedly fantastic!) scene in Night Watch where young Vetinari assassinates Windor... well, actually Windor drops dead from fear before Vetinari can actually stab him! arguably leaving his hands "cleaner" in this particular instance (he never touches him! natural causes, in a way!) although I wonder if that was exactly the intention

there should be at least one scene in one book where Vetinari calmly shanks a guy and says what, did you think all I did was play chess and send primly worded memos?

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from like a fiscal perspective george w bush was just so bad... remember the budget surplus? That may have been wiped out by the recession at the beginning of george w's term in any case, but he went through with cutting taxes despite that, then started expensive wars for apparently no benefit. Possibly created some of the trade problems that led to the Trump victory, I mean the federal budget deficit is larger than the trade deficit, part of what's going on is that china's loaning the US all the money, basically trading goods for an IOU, idk how it compares to other factors but it's the right order of magnitude at least so it's one of the big considerations. Like trade deficit is like a trillion, budget deficit is over a trillion. Iraq and afghanistan were multi-trillion dollar wars each so just those is the magnitude of years of the deficit

oh yeah and the housing bubble and the subprime mortgage crisis. Idk the govt role exactly or how much the president matters for that tho we do have this weird thing in the US where mortgages basically come from the govt in some way. I don't rly get it

bad financial regulation aside, the US has crumbling century old infrastructure that badly needs upgrading while it was blowing trillions on pointless projects in Iraq and Afghanistan; presumably America today would be a lot richer if 25 years ago it had been rebuilding all the bridges and tunnels that now won't be finished until 2035 or whenever.

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kind of like the thing with Leonardo da Quirm--he's too dangerous to live, but Vetinari didn't want to kill him, so instead he keeps him prisoner with no visitors except for himself! but it's okay, because Leonardo doesn't mind being prisoner and is there voluntarily really. and it's like, okay, well, if it's voluntary that *does* sort of make it okay, but...?

yes there's a lot of things (like the scorpion pit) that only work if Vetinari is a power mad brutal dictator in a haha only serious kind of way, like surely he wouldn't torture the prisoners... unless?? lol just kidding he's a modern man with a strong moral compass... unless???

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I suppose you could see Vetinari as the player character in a city building game, explaining his uncanny ability to predict future trends and the way that moral quandaries don’t apply to him.

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"whether in a perfect dictatorship where the dictator always made the optimal decision" I think it's funny how Ankh-Morpork with Vetinari in charge is sort of presented as being just that. He's just that good! Although, with his predecessors having been enormous shitheads who had secret police torture squads and so forth, it's not quite an endorsement of the whole *system*.

yes it's arguably a weakpoint of the series, that Vetinari is carefully presented as being ultimately righteous and held in check by other righteous men (okay one man, Sam Vimes), but let's be real, if you heard of a city state ruled by an ex-assassin who we know regularly has people killed and is backed up by his chief of police who also happens to be (by pure coincidence!) one of the richest men in the city, you'd be a little suspicious wouldn't you?

like he only comes out looking good relative to the bloodshed of his predecessors and the need for the stories to have happy endings, but realistically it's difficult to argue that this is an optimal arrangement.

on the other hand if I was teleported back to a medieval city, what would I do? other than dying of cholera, smallpox, or the plague, I mean.

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imo the awkwardness of Vetinari’s apparent perfection as a ruler is an unfortunate result of the evolution of the series, from campy 80s parody through to heavier 2010s social satire and commentary. The first iteration of Vetinari (Light Fantastic, feudal-medieval Conan era) was a standard villain, which was fine on the margins of the plot. A few books in, when Ankh-Morepork hit the renaissance, he was Machiavelli, which worked great for the period. It’s only when you get to Discworld’s Enlightenment-Victoriana that the strain really begins to show, because technology is squarely out of the realms of fantasy here, but politics is still stuck in 1600.

that’s a good point, he starts out as the candied echinoderms man and probably hits his zenith as the relatively modern minded leader of a very medieval city but there’s only so far you can push him into the future before that breaks down.

If Terry had lived to write a few more novels, I'm almost certain one would've been about Vetinari and Moist tricking, bamboozling, and gaslighting Ankh-Morpork's burgeoning national sentiment into a goofy but functional parliamentary democracy movement that ousts and banishes Vetinari in a bloodless coup, just so he can retire in peace

Moist as a conman using every trick in the book to arrange an honest election would have been something to see!

I always thought it was going towards Vetinari suckering Moist into the Patrician job, so he can retire, THEN Moist does his damndest to hold actual elections and set up said government just so he has some free time to spend with his wife.

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a helpful thought experiment is to consider whether in a perfect dictatorship where the dictator always made the optimal decision would you still agitate for democracy.

I actually think this is not that useful? Nothing in real life is ever perfect, and you certainly can’t know something is perfect and have justified confidence that it always will be, so it wouldn’t be surprising to me if a lot of people’s principles or intuitions behaved weirdly in this case just because it’s not a case that ever comes up! In practice, we can’t even come to solid conclusions about what an “optimal decision” means, let alone what it is.

Like if something is definitionally the best thing possible, and you know this and know that it will stay that way, then it takes a certain perversity to do anything else, but perversity of that sort is fine and might even be useful in the actually-existing world where nothing is ever that certain.

Like you could equally ask if, in a perfect democracy where the voters always make the right decision, whether someone would still be antidemocratic, and the answer ought to be the same regardless of which system is guaranteed to be perfect and which is guaranteed to be imperfect, and the answer doesn’t matter either way. In practice, though, I think people are a lot more eager to interpret dictatorships as well-governed than democracy, because there’s a kind of intuitive mystique to the one that you don’t get with the other, and a willingness to support democracy over a putative Solomonic figure is I think a defensive mechanism against this, since personality cults and knee-jerk authoritarianism come up a lot whereas guaranteed-optimal political processes come up never.

a perfect dictatorship is basically at the limit of a spectrum of dictatorships running from abysmal to bad to functional to thriving, although in practice this spectrum is confounded by the fact that the thriving ones have generally been around longer and have more complex institutions such that they are harder to describe as dictatorships.

but specifically it's much easier to call for the overthrow of a dictator who is making terrible decisions! if you're being crushed by an authoritarian hierarchy that can't win a war or put food on the table or keep the electricity on then it's a lot easier to argue that the decision making process needs reform, but the better it gets the more abstract the critique becomes, and the easier it is to claim that calls for reform are unnecessarily rocking the boat and destabilising a good thing for nefarious ends.

at the limit, where everything is perfect -- obviously unreachable in real life -- calls for reform become almost metaphysical if they can't make things tangibly better in any measurable way, what are you even trying to improve in that case? making the same decisions but in a more ideologically pure way?

and the same critique applies to democracy of course, it looks a lot better when it's producing good outcomes at lower cost than authoritarian control, and less impressive when it isn't.

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