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Aster/Aegis/Oleander | He/They | Adult | Your friendly neighbourhood archeologist | Pfp by Wolfythewitch

Hey, I'm Aster, but you can also call me Aegis or Oleander. My pronouns are He/They for the most part, but you're welcome to get creative.

Feel free to send me asks, writing prompts or just ramble at me! I love interacting with fellow fans

I am studying archeology and it's also my special interest, so check out #archeology on my blog for pictures of cool artefacts!

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Pro artist tip: Having romantic interest in someone you're mutuals with online will help you post more consistently for the dopamine hit of that singular like.

happy autism awareness day to all the girls who had “ friends” growing up who were actually bullying them . to the girls who always sat alone in the grass and wondered why nobody wanted to talk . to the girls who spoke to animals like they were listening . to the girls who created a little world in their room . to the girls who always felt ashamed for how deeply they love things and how passionately they enjoyed media . to the girls who covered their ears when they were overwhelmed by everything . to the girls who carrying a special thing around to feel safe . to the girls who never understood what they did wrong to feel so lonely . to the girls who were diagnosed later in life because they weren’t little boys who liked trains. you are so special and beautiful and you’re not worse for it, you love deeply and that is so wonderful please never try to push that down . I LOVE YOU !!!!!

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"I was a heavy heart to carry

But he never let me down

When he held me in his arms

My feet never touched the ground

I'm so heavy

Heavy in your arms

Heavy

I'm so heavy in your arms..."

- Heavy In Your Arms by Florence + The Machine

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Conon is the one that paints the picture of Odysseus and Diomedes betraying each other as part of the theft of the Palladium. He wrote that in the Augustan period. That is a late source compared to the rest of the Epic Cycle. I do agree that people associate "bad" versions of a story to Rome rather than pre-existing oral traditions before Homer, but this does seem like a late source addition.

Hesychius, Lexicon: "Diomedeian compulsion: a proverbial expression. Clearchus explains... The author of the Little Iliad connects it with the theft of the Palladion."

From the Greek Epic Fragments Loeb volume, 2003.

However, Konon tells (a version of) the same story as well, yes! (The only difference, for whatever reason, between the version I can find online and what is referred to in a note in the Loeb volume, is that there it's Odysseus that drives Diomedes by his sword, not Diomedes Odysseus. I have no idea why this difference.)

But as you see it's attached to the Little Iliad.

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Ooh i actually looked into this a while back so i hope you don't mind me yapping :)

So the version where Odysseus drives Diomedes by the sword seems to be a mistranslation from West? I checked the actual greek fragment he cited in his book and I don't see any indication of it being Odysseus, so I'm not quite sure what's going on there? (West uses his apparent mistranslation in at least two books, but other than that I've never seen any traces of it)

I do have to say, Conon is the earliest attestation we have of the palladium heist story (having lived from 63 BCE to 14 AD), with other attestations by Pausanias (2nd cent CE) and Hesychius (5/6th cent CE), while attestations of other events attributed to the little iliad are generally older, with mentions from the 5th cent BCE onwards.

It does seem that mentions of the palladium heist are significantly younger than the others, it's a little strange to me that its never mentioned before Conon

I think Hesychius is the first to unequivocally attribute the palladium heist to the little iliad (id need to double check this tho), the summary of Conon's narrations does not reference the little iliad specifically (though obviously it concerns events from the little iliad)

So I dont think we can be entirely certain when the palladium heist story came to be. It could be a misattribution by Hesychius to attach it to the little iliad. And we can't really know where Conon got the story. He is an author known for prefering the more unusual/strange stories, which might explain why we first see the palladium heist recorded by him.

I think saying the palladium heist is fully roman/invented by Conon is a very big assumption to make, but I also don't think we can uncritically attribute it to the little iliad. It might be a later story, it might not be, ultimately, I don't think we'll ever really know when exactly this myth started circulating and how much it was or was not a part of any hypothetical canon epic cycle

That said I am definitely not trying to argue with the point you made in your original post because I fully agree. I think people's eagerness to take the palladium heist as purely a figment of Conon's imagination is very revealing of this Greek/roman dichotomy and the 'our good, pure greek myths and their stupid, barbaric roman myths' thought process thats apparently going round lately

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all the kings at troy treat each other and their commanders with respect, as kings are wont to do. except for diomedes. not because he is disrespectful! but because his commanders are his older brothers. i know in my heart sthenelus starts to say some dumb shit in a meeting with all their peers and diomedes just grabs him by the back of the head and pushes him off the bench theyre sharing. euryalus tells him to shut the fuck up so that nestor can keep talking. and sthenelus just gets back up like none of it happened. the kings are APPALLED.

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