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About Time for an Official Introductory Post and Mobile Masterlist,,,,,

Hello and welcome! You can call me Corn. I’m the one behind gathering all these Laito related posts and currently making a lot of analyses on his character. I’ve been in Diahell for about (edit 2025: TEN) years now, so I’d say I know my way around, especially in regards to Laito’s character! I’m absolute Laito GARBAGE; given this entire blog.

I’ve also been heavily inspired by @akai-anemone​ ‘s analyses back in the day, unfortunately she’s not active anymore but please go check her out! I’ve even listed her analyses below too!

I do have a navigation page on the desktop version of this blog! But, most people seem to use mobile, so I’m creating this! This is more of a masterlist of my analyses and navigation. 

To Do list (that needs to be updated haha) 

ANALYSES MASTERLIST (UPDATED! Moved to a separate link as well. Enjoy~!) I will update more too and organize it as well but I added a bit more :)

⋆⁺₊⋆ Happy birthday, Laito. ⋆⁺₊⋆

It was another lovely celebration we had this year, wasn't it? Are you that much into me, I wonder?

…Nfu, just kidding. I'm already well aware of your feelings towards me. I was wondering for some time already what lovely surprise Bitch-chan would get me. So how about you finally get closer and give your all to me?

Jouis pour moi

Laito Sakamaki x reader

(Nsfw MDNI)

Warning: This is for 18+ only; minors do not interact (mentions of choking, roughness and orgasm denial)

Synopsis: You are Laito's resilient and stubborn girlfriend and will not give Laito a reaction that he wants. He cannot stand that you are so....nonchalant. So, he does everything in his power to make you have a reaction and what better way than to do what he knows best.

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"Laito sweetie, what are you doing?" You asked your perverted partner as he was kissing your neck and nibbling your earlobe. Laito has been very touchy feely with you more than usual and thats a lot for a person like Laito. Everyday he seems to be very clingy and affectionate with you lately not that it is a bad thing but it is different for you considering that Laito also likes his personal space sometimes. You turn towards him and kiss him on the cheek. "Laito are you okay my love?" Laito seems to be on edge. Because of your rigid nature you can spot the difference in Laito's moods just by looking at him. In the beginning of the relationship, Laito hated it. He couldn't stand you seeing right through him but as he got to know you more he learned to appreciate it now that he feels secure with you. However, all he wanted was a damn reaction out you when he is intimate or affectionate with you. You rarely moan and if you do moan you are quiet. He tries to surprise you with massages or light suggestive touches but he gets absolutely nothing. He yearns to make you squirm under his touch and moan loudly at his advances but it frustrated him at how hard it was to achieve that. So, he made it his plan to figure out what made you crack. "Nothing my love just wanting to kiss you."

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He tries to lick up your neck. Nothing. Kissing your nape. Nope. Biting your collarbone. Nada. Groping your boobs. Not even a swat to the head. "Are you sure everything is okay?" you ask again not understanding what's wrong. "Yes...I'm sure." He responds a little passive aggressively and agitated. "Laito, baby if there is some-" "I said it is nothing I am fine." He gets up and makes his way out the room leaving you confused and kind of cold. This isn't the first time Laito got into one of his 'fits'. The real him slipping out more and more when he spends time with you. Unfortunately, it is a sign that he trusts you with his emotions but only if he would communicate them to you properly. You knew something was wrong and you wish he would tell you. As you are thinking of getting up to follow after him, Laito comes back with an evil smile on his face. You raise an eyebrow at him wondering what he is hiding behind his back. He walks up towards you and shows you a black velvet blindfold and a pair of fuzzy handcuffs. "Bitch-chan, lets try something together shall we."

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You sit as Laito lays you on your back handcuffing your hands to the headboard. "I don't see the meaning in this Laito." Once he finishes handcuffing you, he grabs the blindfold and puts it in your face covering your eyes. "Oh come on bitch-chan it will be fun. We never done this kind of thing before." You sigh letting him have his way on it; you yourself arent really opposed to the idea. Maybe it will be fun, you just hope he is happy with the decision. You feel something wet but soft hitting your chest and going down to your stomach. You figured it was Laito kissing you softly while nipping at your stomach. You feel his hands caress your thighs as he makes his way down and you relax letting out a sigh. All the sudden you feel fingers make their way towards your center; feeling how wet you were. You moan quietly as he rubs at you taking off your panties and circling your nub. Still nothing. It was the same as usual. Laito started to apply more pressure adamant on making you break and if it had to take all night then he would do that. You just had to have a weak spot somewhere. Something that makes you crack under intense pleasure. He fingers you as focusing on making you come undone like he usually does. He kisses your thighs and makes you cum on his fingers. He pulls his fingers out and leaves you for a second grabbing something else. You take your time breathe as you come down from your high until you hear a buzzing noise. "Laito?" you called his name confused on the buzzing noise. He doesnt answer as you feel pleasurable shocks throughout your body. He pushes the vibrator to your clit and watches you intently to see if you would come undone any differently. You twitch a bit and moan slightly louder from how intense your previous orgasm was but it was not exactly what he was looking for. He wanted to break you.

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You on the other hand was trying to keep up with him. The pleasure from him fingers and the vibrator being pushed harshly into your clit made it hard to handle. He pulls another orgasm from you and you moan the same way as you always do. He was way to focus to pay attention to you calling out his name. He was getting frustrated that he couldnt figure it out causing him to miss you saying his name once again. "Laito!" you moan out a little louder. "What!" he angrily says taking the vibrator away from you poor cunt. "Ahhh~ fuck!" you gasped out. You were so close to cumming and he just denied you of your fourth orgasm tonight and your body arches and shakes. You whimper moving your hips up and down trying to gain that pleasure again. Laito watches you, his anger slowly leaving when he sees you shaking and writhing under his touch. He looks at the wet vibrator and smirks. Did you like it rough instead of gentle? Did you somehow like when he is angry at you instead of his usual perverted attitude? He looks at you wanting to test something. He grabs your hair gripping it tightly making you face him despite you not being able to see him. You moan out at the pain and plead out a small, "please..." He smiles and grabs your throat choking you. "No." he says harshly and put the vibrator back onto your clit building you up again to unfortunately deny you of your orgasm once again. He did that over and over again until you were practically begging him to make you cum. "Laito, please im sorry." Tears streaming your face, moaning loudly in his ear. He wasnt listening to you pinching your clit making you hold in your orgasm and then pushing the vibrator against it once again to build you up. The mix of pain and pleasure bouncing off each other drove you mad. You were drooling for release but you loved every second of his roughness towards you. Who knew you were such a submissive masochist. You scream as he denies you of another orgasm and finally turn the vibrator off. "Had enough?" You whimper hoping he wasnt done with you. You wanted cum so bad but you knew he wouldnt like that at all if you did. You let out a quiet yes. "Good."

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He takes the handcuffs off and turns you around on your stomach biting you roughly on your shoulder blades and your back. He gets on top you and pushes his dick inside of you. "Ah~" you moan out loudly. "Baby!" He pushes your head towards the mattress and starts pounding hard into you. "Shhhh." He shushes you while hitting your spot over and over again. You moan into the sheets as he manhandles you in the bed. Saying nothing but humiliating names like princess or bunny. You feel yourself inching towards your orgasm and you surprisingly try to run from it. You felt it was going to be big, hard, and too much to ride out. Laito pulls your hair back arching you closer to him. "What's the matter bunny? Too much?" He laughs keeping the pace. "You cumming princess?" You can't even respond because of how close you were on the edge. He keeps that brutal pace, and you see nothing but white light and stars. "Thats it, cum for me." Laito says still gripping your head back not letting you run anywhere. You scream feeling your eyes roll back and Laito helps you ride out your long overdue orgasm. He cums inside you and slowly come to a stop pulling out of you. You slump into your sheets trying to catch your breath; you felt immobile not being able to move at all. You feel small gentle kisses all over your body and cold hands caressing your back massaging your muscles. "You okay bitch-chan?" He asks taking the blindfold off of you and kissing your sweaty forehead. "I....I want to do that again." Laito chuckles and cuddle you bringing your limp body towards him. You slowly drift off to sleep in his arms. "Of course, Y/n."

It has come to my attention that people in the fandom don't understand the use of implication, so I will now break down easily as possible for people that don't believe Cordelia sexually groomed Laito. @dl-drama-cd (Tws for rape and incest)

The conversation atop is one shared between Laito and Cordelia. Take note of the background. It is a bedroom. Not the garden or the kitchen or somewhere aesthetic in the moonlight, it is a bedroom.

A bedroom is used for sleeping or as Reiji likes to call it, private activities. We all know that people who usually share a bed are relatively close in terms of relationship, it doesn't matter what kind, they just need to be close.

Cordelia shares no emotional/maternal bonds with her sons. She is often described as crass or cold. Why are her and Laito in a bedroom together if they do not share such a bond?

A bed in media is often used (with context) as a symbolism for lovers sleeping together, because that's exactly where it happens.

How do we know that something more sinister is going on than just a mother and son talking? We can figure this out based on the conversation.

Let's look at what's said between the two.

In the first image, Laito poses a question to Cordi. He asks her, without explicitly saying what "it" is, what's her reason for doing this?

This is a canon interaction between these two characters, where character 1 (Laito), is unaware of the intentions that character 2 (Cordelia) possess. Which is why he is asking her, why she is doing "this", because he does not know why this is happening to him.

Cordelia then explains, also again without directly saying anything, that she does "this" because she loves him. This is Cordelia's reasoning and answer to Laito's previous question.

That's pretty straightforward, I don't think we need a paragraph long analysis on that.

Laito, who then repeats the word, love, in a questioning manner.

Why does he do this instead of just accepting her answer as is?

Because he is simply not satisfied with such an answer. Why isn't he just accepting her word as is? We, don't yet know because once again, the context in this current conversation is not said.

Continuing, we see Cordi backing up her previous statement by saying that there is no world out there where a mother doesn't love a son, and if there is, what kind of world would it be?

She tries to explain that Laito shouldn't question her actions, but rather accept them as they are, because that's an inherent profession of love between mother and son.

Laito, in response, flatly says that a world without love between mother and child, is the one that they live in.

In other words, Laito does not accept that "this" is what paternal love truly is. He believes that his mother does NOT love him, which we can easily pair up with his earlier question "Love?".

Now that we have some form of context to the character's inner thought process and what they are currently feeling, we can put together some pieces on what kind of conversation is actually going on.

At a first glance it can be assumed that a son is doubting his mother's love for him, because well, that's exactly what's happening.

But if we speculate a bit more on the background, and the given context of the conversation, we can now say that the truth of the situation lies within the more subtle clues.

Example #1.

This memory, isn't a pleasant one. This conversation has already happened and Laito is simply remembering it. You can use the images provided to reverse google search the complete scene for further proof, but as already stated, this is NOT a conversation he is very fond of.

Example #2.

The conversation that these two are having, shows us that one person is satisfied while the other isn't for whatever reason that may be. I've broken it down already so you can understand it a bit more, but feel free to once again do your own research.

Example #3.

The implication of the background. Like I've previously stated, I broke it down at the start of this post. But let me be absolutely clear and reiterate this, THE REASON THE BACKGROUND IMAGE IS HAPPENING INSIDE A BEDROOM AND NOT ANYWHERE ELSE (even though you can suck someone's blood anywhere you wanted to) IS BECAUSE THE CONTEXT LIES WITHIN THE BEDROOM ALONE. The creators didn't just randomly choose a free png of a bedroom for a conversation where a child asks a parent why they're doing something, that the child feels like diminishes the sole intent of paternal love. Context clues, matter.

Now then, I'll go on to add another image where I'll make a very short and factual analysis without hypotheticals or opinions being used.

Laito in this scene, is completely naked. He is naked and with a solemn expression on his face, thinks about his mother pleasuring him. He is also reminiscent on the words his mother has told him, that being "I love you, Laito". Cordelia then says that " That kind of thing is just something given in exchange" when the words I love you, are said. Laito, once again, admits that he was being pleasured while thinking of his mother. [End analysis]

We can speculate that since he is thinking of his mother and pleasure at the same time, she is the one who is giving it to him.

Why do I think this? Because he is completely naked, his only thoughts being his mother's voice. That being said, we can now say that what is being "given in exchange" in Cordelia's words, after saying I love you (or perhaps vice versa, where I love you comes first) is pleasure.

I have a couple of links here we can make with these couple of images alone.

In the first part, we see them talking in a bedroom and the conversation eventually leads to satisfaction, in terms of "once I am satisfied with the outcome, there should be no question". She also references love here, as she does in the latest image I have provided.

With the context that we have now we can equate love to pleasure. And Cordelia states that she loves Laito multiple times throughout just these two scenarios.

Now, my interpretation of this is that Cordelia is clearly raping her son and using "love" as a means to mask, and more so, normalize what is happening between them. (I say normalize because Cordelia tries convincing Laito that this is what goes on between mother and son in the first conversation).

However, even if you do not share the same perspective, it is still abundantly clear that Cordelia Sakamaki, first wife of Karlheinz, daughter of King Burai of the Vibora clan, mother of Ayato Sakamaki, Kanato Sakamaki and Laito Sakamaki, is giving sexual pleasure to her son. Whether it is by bloodsucking, or by sex, or both.

She is sexually grooming Laito by giving him these sensations a mother should not be giving her child, and is committing an act of incest.

𝐃𝐈𝐀𝐁𝐎𝐋𝐈𝐊 𝐏𝐑𝐈𝐍𝐂𝐄𝐒𝐒 -𝐋𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐌𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐩𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐢𝐬-

// A Yui dress up game is such a cute and creative idea, but… IT’S APRIL FOOLS’ DAY! ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

On a serious note, this would have been amazing for real… oof, why Rejet?

As an infinity nikki enjoyer and Yui enjoyer and general dress up game enjoyer I am taking personal offense to this 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

wHY REJET WHY

OH MY GOD A BOTANICAL DIALOVERS MERCH RELEASE

OK SO I WILL BE MAKING A VIDEO ON ANALYZING ALL THE FLOWERS OF ALL THE BOYS

I LOVE FLORIOGRAPHY

AHHHHHHHHHHH

As a resident gardener and flower language enthusiast I WILL be waiting very very patiently and perhaps add my own analysis on it (also hi I love u and ur analysis on Laito ur fr my Roman Empire for YEARS <33)

HEHEHE OFC FEEL FREE TO ADD ABD OR MAKE YOUR OWN!!!! (Please tag me in it tho I gotta read that)

Also being called someone’s Roman Empire is INSANE THANK YOU OMFG?!?! WHAT A HUGE COMPLIMENT WHAT THE FUCK?!?! Thank you so much for liking my content hehehe 🥰🥰🥰

I gotta incorporate my horticulture degree into this blog SOMEHOW

But omg feel free to dm me or reblog plants you have ?!?! If you want to?!?!!!

Oh oh I also did a floriography section on my art account @clemonthyne >:) it’s old but teehee they’re goldies

just gotta say for my own well being to not like,,,, harass people on behalf of me; it hasn't happened yet (that I know of) but of course it's your decision to interact with it how you please.

I also have a feeling I'm gonna wake up to death/rape threats again--when i originally got them back when i interacted with that part of the fandom trying to at least show them my side (back in 2021 they harassed me about it and that's how I knew their posts, they might be deleted now but idk--i do have screenshots if it comes down to it), i didn't respond to them but i'll put it on damn blast this time cuz i think that it's pathetic to threaten people over differing opinions of a fucking vampire fetish game, although I do think said opinions has deeper implications of your real worldview but I'm putting this whole thing to rest on my end cuz it's exhausting talking to a brick wall despite having incited open conversation, especially when the responses are combative

i have no idea where people got the idea that I ship laito and cordelia, usually those people are the ones shipping them after they "prove" that Cordelia/Laito actually isn't an abusive incestual relationship so they can sleep at night easier thinking they don't ship an abhorrent pair

Oh goddamn 😭😭😭 people really be doing the most insane mental gymnastics trying to say that incest of any form isn’t sexual abuse what the fuck is going on what ANSKLDFKSH

I laid out all that I could akskfkfkhsnfk

Usually I don’t subpost people but that’s what they did to me so???? Lmao???? brother if you’re trying to have a conversation and don’t listen to the other side then what’s the point

Why fandom decided that Laito had sex with Cordelia?

My position: they never had sex. Bloodsucking only. Not without a certain reason. I would like to prove that claimimg the were sexual lovers is not correct at all.

Watching the anime only and without any accompanying sources you might not even guess any sex. However the fact thatLaito was in loveand desired his own mother is obvious. In s01e04 he sighs glaring at the moon remembering 'the smell, the voice of his beloved', swears eternal love to her; in s01e08 he having pushed his mother off the balcony said that now she belongs only to him forever; in s01e11 he expresses regret that he doesn't see her in hell, and in s01e12 while her dressburning he mumbles something about her (maybe Karl's also, but due to contex there's must be Cordelia) and Richter's actions to them.

s01e04:

愛してます. いつまでも いつまでも いつまでも. あなたが望むと望まざるとにかかわらず. 一瞬たりとも あなたのこと忘れたことなんかない. あなたの声 あなたの匂い すべて覚えてる. Laito: I love you. Always, always, forever. Whether you want it or not. I've never forgotten you for a moment. Your voice, your smell, I remember everything.

s01e08:

これで永遠に僕だけのものになったね Laito: Now you belong to me only forever.

s01e11:

次に会う時は地獄だと思ってたよ Laito: I thought the next time we met would be in hell. 期待に添えなくて、残念だわ Yuidelia: It's a shame it didn't live up to expectations. いや 期待以上だよ Laito: No, it's beyond expectations.

s01e12:

一つだけ明らかな真実を教えてあげるよ Laito: I'll tell you the only obvious truth. 僕たちはもう二度と叔父上やあの人に振り回されない Laito: That person and you, Uncle, will never be able to us again.

Cordelia in s01e08 asked Laito to save her and, holding out her bloody hand, said that she truly loved him:

ライト 私を助けなさい Cordelia: Laito, save me.
ライト 愛してるわ Cordelia: Laito, I love you. 本当に Cordelia: Really.

And that's the whole story of their relationship in anime.

Unlike Ayato who was thrown into the lake in s01e02 and said to live at the its' bottom in s01e07 Laito seems having no reason to hate his mother but the fact that he desired her is an indisputable (his 'you're mine forever').

No official source desribed it as sexual relationship. Never.

This was only thought up by the fans themselves.

Analyzing DL keep in mind key aspects that important to understand the story:

1. the title is based on a bloodsucking fetish: bloodish is a much more intimate process than eating, it's erotic; 2. Laito and others are demonic creatures with a distorted nature, they don't feel like humans, have no human heart; 3. DL women are weak fisicallly and magically; 4. Cordelia's blood and even its' smell drove vampires crazy.

In the first game there are only two oddy episodes that fans automatically saw as sex.

1. DL Laito Dark Epilogue. Laito has a dream of Cordelia coming to him: she says that she is 'not enough' and that she 'loves' him, he promises to 'give her love'. 2. DL Laito Maniac Epilogue. After killing any man Cordelia asks Laito to give her 'warmth'.

The rest flashbacks do not hint at anything at all. Imprisonment in a dungeon (DL Laito Maniac Prologue) and a request to help kill Karlheinz (DL Laito Ecstasy Prologue), Cordelia's murder (DL Laito Ecstasy Epilogue).

But inside Yui Cordelia called her son a 奴隷. It seems to be a special term, we would return to it.

That made fans decide that the mother sex with her own son. If Laito and Cordelia would be human, not bloodsucking demons, I would agree with fans. But from the start I passed the games I noticed many details in Laito's logic that were not that simple.

We have a blood-drinking fetish. Cordelia had special blood. So this story may be more complicated.

More, Blood. There are only two flashbacks with Laito and Cordelia. Dark Prologue and Ecstasy Epilogue. In MB Laito Dark Prologue he asks Cordelia in the background of the bedroom 'why doing such a thing'. Cordelia answers because she loves him and what a place in a world where any mother doesn't love her child. Laito answers that 'here'.

Fans again decide that Laito the boy is hinting at sexualized 'love' between him and his mother.

In MB Laito Dark Epilogue and MB Laito Ecstasy Prologue the butler of their castle called Laito to Cordelia. Laito provocatively asked the reason. To the butler's unfinished answer Laito only grinned called him a 'bad old man'.

In MB Laito Ecstasy Prologue Ayato tried to hammer into his brother that Cordelia does not love any of them.

MB Laito Dark Prologue, MB Laito Dark Epilogue, MB Laito Maniac Epilogue are episodes with his relationship the maid Hilde are shown as he decided to use words of love for his own purposes and to seduce her. His monologues also are hardly grasp their essence, it is often unclear who Laito is talking about, himself, someone or in general.

Dark Fate. Laito refused to acknowledge Cordelia as his mother but Richter scolded him for this. Yui wanted a solution to this problem.

DF Laito Maniac Epilogue. Laito himself suggested to his mother to forget about 'that person' because she already 'has him'. Cordelia snapped that Laito is not Karlheinz and is not a replacement of him. And her answer really affected him ('If not a replacement who am I?')

DF Laito Vampire End. Laito having already learned about his father's experiments makes a grave for Cordelia, calls her 'kaa-san' for the first time and says goodbye to her.

In SS for the Dark Fate game he again refers to her 'kaa-san': 'Ayato and Kanato have mom's blood, so they would be okay' (true-sweet-moments).

Lost Eden. Laito only remembers Cordelia once comparing her to Yui whom he suspects of cheating on Kino (LE Laito Ecstasy Prologue).

Lunatic Parade. Yui stutters about 「裏切り」 = Laito's 'betrayal' by Cordelia in his childhood (LP Laito Chapter 2).

Chaos Lineage. Some episodes with Yui's heartbeat and her avoiding Laito memorizing Cordelia again.

That's all. That made fans thinking Cordelia and Laito had sex. For me it's still funny.

The CD drama Versus II Ayato vs Laito even pushed fans to decide that Cordelia raped her son when he was a child. But again Laito's words are not about it.

However I repeat our bloodsucking story with giving blood that means too much and Cordelia's special blood suggests a much more difficult story. So then we would learn all the fanbooks, descriptions, dramas and other characters' (especially Kanato and Ayato) conversations to understand what it was. Sex or bloodsucking only.

Hey! I want to clarify a whole lot about this post. Although I absolutely understand why people, including yourself, believe that Cordelia does not have sex with Laito, I think it is absolutely heavily implied, and not necessarily a fandom thing.

FIrst of all, the anime is just super watered down compared to the games as you know. So using examples from it doesn't necessarily lend to much credibility in my eyes, but that's more of a me thing. I'm also not sure why you had to use Japanese subtitles if you were going to provide the translations, there's an official English sub for them.

However, out of all of the boys in the anime, Laito doesn't have a flashback. If it was just blood sucking, then it would have at least been depicted--but no. Dialovers, of course, isn't an 18+ game, and that's why there's so many euphemisms for sex, and sex is never ever explicitly mentioned, despite it happening. Game ratings in Japan is interesting, and that's why they had to bump up the rating for Dark Fate because there's a gun shown in it.

It's implied that Laito and Kanato in HDB rape Yui, and how it's not just blood-sucking. We can all agree on that. I'm not sure why the same is not applied to Laito and Cordelia. I understand the frustration of the fandom getting many things wrong, but this is not one of them.

It is explicitly described that Laito is used as a replacement for Karlheinz, and we all know that Cordelia and Karl had sex. Not only is this implied in the games, but it's literally shown in Young Blood.

This whole scene implies sexual relations.

Even if you don't believe they had penetrative sex, the fact that blood sucking is considered sexual by vampires is STILL SEXUAL ABUSE. There is no doubt about it. They were not "lovers," there was grooming involved (we LITERALLY SEE THAT WHEN SHE CONDITIONS LAITO IN THE DUNGEON) and that is not consensual.

Also, Cordelia did not have sex with Laito when he was a child, but when he was older (although part of the fandom seems to believe it was when he was a child, I have never thought this). Ayato admits in their VS II CD that Laito was gone from their childhood bed a lot of the times, and the implications of that is harrowing, even if it was not explicitly sex.

We also know that Kanato was used as a live music performance when Richter and Cordelia had sex, but nobody seems to contest that Cordelia and Richter didn't have sex.

Another huge issue in this argument is that we have unreliable sources of exposition for what the demons are actually like outside of the characters in DL, especially in the first game. People don't talk about that fact--we get conflicting information from different characters. Cordelia was taught from Karlheinz that the greatest profession of love among vampires is to kill them, and then was taught it to Laito. However, we don't see mention of that for any other character, if I recall correctly. But, DL in general is a psychological thriller too, and there is heavy gaslighting in that series, so it does not surprise me that we only get a glimpse and unreliable truth of what things actually are. I understand wanting to take everything that the characters say as the truth or at face value, but we're also talking about Laito here, who says one thing but means the other. We can also get more information about the vampire world in DL through Carnelian Blood--which takes place in the same universe, but those characters are NOTHING like the ones we see in dialovers. I don't know a whole lot more about that series other than that, but I do know that they're not sadistic, contrasting what we thought about how vampires "innately are" in DL.

Laito and Cordelia were absolutely not lovers. Cordelia was an abused woman who further abused her sons in awful ways. Ayato recognizes that it's not normal, like you said. The whole motif of Laito's route in HDB was to make Yui a replacement for Cordelia, which includes grooming and raping her. I have wrote about this extensively here. HDB was also the darkest game out of all the games. I assume the reason why it was never explicitly revisited in the other games is because of how dark and harrowing the relationship between Cordelia and Laito is. The rest of the series is definitely toned down compared to HDB, and I believe that is intentional.

Also, they don't really need to keep harping on the fact that Cordelia sexually abused Laito in other games--because we know that, and since flashbacks are sparse, it lends more insight into other aspects of their relationship.

We can also compare Cordelia's relationship with her sons to the other Sakamaki mothers; none of them sexually abused their sons. We know that this is not a normal thing in the context of demon families in DL. When Yui comes into everyone's lives, they are able to pursue a healthier relationship (depends on the route of course and ending and who it is), which the characters take a liking to and genuinely enjoy having a healthier relationship. Ergo, we know that it's not something that's "genetically embedded" in them to be shitty people. Of course, seeing humans as a food source is another thing and makes sense that they wouldn't see them as sentient, but as Laito especially develops over his MB route and his DF route, he starts to become a better person (of course, the bar is on the floor, but in dark fate especially, he goes through a whole arc of learning empathy).

I go extensively into Cordelia and Laito's relationship in a 7 part series if you would like more information--of course a lot I could say would be repeating that so I'm gonna just copy all of it here. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

Of course, Rejet also tends to retcon some things accidentally (like how they hint at their ages), but you ALSO have to take in consideration that HDB and MB+ are in different timelines. We don't know when those timelines were reset, but what I do know, is that Laito absolutely was sexually abused by his mother, not just in a blood sucking way. We also have it confirmed that Laito was never bitten by another person until Yui did it to him in his HDB Heaven 01:

"Laito: Nfu~ I’ve always wanted to know at least once what it’s like to be at the other end."

Cordelia didn't suck Laito's blood--either she made Laito suck her blood, or something else also happened. We know he at least sucked her blood because of how he knows the taste from Yui's blood too. We also know that when Cordelia and Richter are in that dungeon scene, no bloodsucking is happening--it is absolutely implied sex.

I hope all of this makes sense, because although I get where you're coming from, there's a whole lot more to look at in this case than just pure dialog.

TLDR; Dialovers, because of multiple reasons (the way it's written but also because it not being an r18 game), create many scenarios that are up for interpretation or having to dig deeper, especially in Laito's case. The writers have even confirmed this--that they prefer for things to be "at your own interpretation" which of course doesn't help either of our cases, but it doesn't deny it either.

Schrödinger's Vampires alksdjflaksdf

THE REAL TAKEAWAY: Regardless, at the end of the day, you do have to agree that in at least one way, Cordelia sexually abused Laito, whether it was actual sex or if it was only bloodsucking. I don't think you're a Cordelia apologist, but I know there's some people who are (said people have threatened me multiple times for some reason years ago so I know they're here LMFAO) and it's kinda crazy that they don't see anything wrong with her actions--which concerns me further with how they perceive the real world. I'm not accusing you of that, I want to be clear.

However, I do like reading differing opinions and takeaways of DL since it really has so many layers, so thank you!

OH MY GOD A BOTANICAL DIALOVERS MERCH RELEASE

OK SO I WILL BE MAKING A VIDEO ON ANALYZING ALL THE FLOWERS OF ALL THE BOYS

I LOVE FLORIOGRAPHY

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