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buffy summers has made many mistakes and is very flawed but also she's never done anything wrong in her life. both of these things are true. to me.
couldn’t resist doing a sketch while watching the new ep 💕🌸
AISHA HINDS as HEN WILSON in 9-1-1 | 6.02 “Crash and Learn”
9-1-1 — "Buck Begins"
one of my favorite genres of youtube video is people explaining early 2000s fandom drama in great detail. these were more popular a few years ago, i think most youtubers have sadly moved on to more current internet drama. but for some reason, to my knowledge at least, no one has ever covered the buffy fandom in one of these videos. i assume this is primarily because as big as btvs was, it obviously wasn't the cultural juggernaut that harry potter or lord of the rings were. so while i know there was fandom drama, and there were certainly ship wars, it probably was just never big enough to create msscribe or (god forbid) thanfiction levels of insanity. but i am curious, if anyone who was around back then is aware of any btvs fandom scandals beyond the expected ship war bullshit? feel free to share btw, i'm genuinely curious.
the only one i know, and this is due to research i did for a very a weird and self-indulgent paper i wrote as an undergrad (long story) is that "seeing red" was actually leaked in advance. or, to be more accurate, there was some sort of mistake made by the network involving something called wildfeeds (tbh i don't really understand the technicalities here) that allowed a small community of fans that relied on piracy anyway to pirate "seeing red" a week early. unsurprisingly when that happened spoilers for the episode spread immediately. and obviously that's a hell of an episode to get spoiled for, so i was curious what the fandom response was. i managed to find like one fan group whose conversations during the week in between the leaking of "seeing red" and its airing have been miraculously preserved on google drive. honestly, the response isn't that interesting. i think i was hoping to find like full on conspiracy theory denial of the episode, tjlc style, and some people did suggest that the episode was fake, but for the most part people seemed pretty cognizant of the fact that there was no way in hell that upn and mutant enemy would film an entirely fake episode just to mislead a few online fans. so it didn't turn out to be much of a fandom drama story (or much of a paper either).
that said, if you are curious as to what the immediate reaction was, here are some links to various posts from around this time:
“Forum Question: What are ‘Kittens’ and ‘W/T Shippers’???.”alt.fan.buffy-the-vampire-slayer. April 30, 2002.
“Is the Big Scooby Death Such a Bad Thing? (Spoiler- whatever, we all know who it is).” alt.fan.buffy-the-vampire-slayer. May 7, 2002.
The wildfeed was when the episode was transmitted to the network. If you had a satellite TV and knew how to tune to the right frequency, then you could watch that transmission, about a week early and commercial free. (Dori, the person who transcribed the wildfeed for the Buffy/Spike and Spike-redemptionist mailing lists and forums, was still active on Tumblr until a few years ago; not sure if she still is.) We had wildfeed transcripts every week, not just for Seeing Red.
The main scandal I remember was the Great Spoiler Scandal, which I was peripherally involved with. There were several websites which posted spoilers for upcoming episodes, weeks or months in advance. The less reputable of these sites just made shit up. The more reputable ones had sources on set -- crew members who were willing to make a few extra bucks by clandestinely selling shooting scripts to the 'spoiler whores' as they called themselves. Another legit source of spoilers was a casting website which posted 'sides' -- short fragments of upcoming scripts which were used to cast extras and guest roles. (I still have some of the sides saved on hard drive somewhere.)
The spoiler websites would post hints and dribs and drabs from their various sources. They were REALLY big deals in fandom, and they protected said sources jealously, both because they didn't want the sources to dry up, and because they liked being an exclusive club with secret knowledge. There was an informal but rigidly policed agreement between the various spoiler sites that they would never, ever share their raw material with the hoi polloi.
I was friends with the person who ran one of the biggest and most reliable spoiler sites, Wendy's Spoiler Zone. She was the one who broke the news that the writers were planning to kill Tara -- which Stephen DeKnight then publicly denied, causing the Kitten Board (the main Willow/Tara 'shipper forum) to hate Wendy's guts for 'spreading misinformation' and then hate her even more when Tara actually died. (They already didn't like her because for reasons I've never been able to figure out, they hated Spike and Spuffy shippers, and although Wendy was scrupulously neutral on her spoiler site, she was known to be a Spuffy shipper.)
Wendy, in addition to doing public spoiler posts on her website, had a small group of friends, including me, who were not part of the super-special-spoiler-hound cadre. And Wendy let us see the raw material. We did so on a private mailing list, and to the best of my knowledge, none of us ever passed it on or endangered her sources. Buuuuut...
In late S6/early S7 Spuffy/redemptionista fandom was eating itself alive. There were two main factions, people who were still optimistic that Joss was working towards a Spuffy end game, and those who, well, weren't. There were a lot of public catfights on the major redemptionista mailing lists, lists split in two, Positivistas banned all negative discussion of the show on their lists, on and on. One of the people in Wendy's little private spoiler list was a Positivista, an absolutely rabid one. Most of the rest of us were either Negativistas or neutral. We debated the direction of the show amongst ourselves like everyone else, and we knew that our Positivista member (who was, coincidentally, the person who had created and owned the mailing list we were using) was upset... we just had no idea how upset.
We got the first clue when I and another member of the private list were separately told by Positivista that everyone else in the list had made an even MORE secret list without us, because we were 'too negative' and everyone hated us. She and I immediately got together, compared notes, and then started contacting other members. Turned out there was in fact another even secreter list, but no, everyone did not hate us. My friend and I more or less shrugged and went, "OK, whatever, have fun," and failed to stomp off or blow up or whatever Positivista had expected.
So next morning we woke up and A) we'd been kicked out of the list, along with everyone else in the group who was either 'too negative' or too friendly with the negative people B) Positivista published the entire email archive of the list to every forum and board she was a member of (carefully redacted so that nothing bad that she or her remaining friends had said was still included.) The list had been in existence since early S6. It had private real life info about the members. It had conversations where the members talked very frankly about people, boards, and fanfic they didn't like. And it had Wendy's spoiler info.
For most of the members, this was humiliating and embarrassing. It caused rifts in friendships. For Wendy, it was a fannish career-killer. The spoiler hound community was furious, and cut her out completely. The furor went on for weeks.
The irony was, Wendy still had her set-side sources. And our little ragtag group had accurate spoiler info weeks ahead of anyone else until the end of the show -- Wendy, in fact, was the person who anonymously published the entire shooting script of Chosen weeks before it aired, just as a fuck-you.
Other stuff I recall was like the Crawford Street Mansion's "Year of Xander" (Xander focused message board, completely made up spoilers, board owner who was apparently a compulsive liar, next season was always going to be the year of Xander) and William the Poet ('spoiler source' that appeared in S7 and server up a mishmash of other spoiler sites' news mashed up with mangled allusions and metaphors, and convinced too many otherwise moderately intelligent people that he knew what he was talking about.) But those weren't so much scandals as fandom as usual.
I'm sure there was a l;ot more, but honestly, at this late date a lot of it is a blur.
i am such a terrible femslash enjoyer because even though i've watched quite a bit of supergirl i've never liked supercorp. and as someone who was raised on faith/buffy and morgana/gwen and had generally been obsessed with katie mcgrath on merlin, that shit should be right up my alley. but i could never get over the fact that lena was a billionaire who chose to run her evil brother's evil company and then complained constantly that people thought she was like her evil brother. like girl no one is making you do this. you could sell the company for scraps and give all the money to charity if you truly believed that what your family had done was bad. instead she chose to continue to profit off her brother's evil success. not to mention some of her own deeply unethical ideas. like remember when she introduced the forcibly outing people as aliens device in like her second episode? or that time she decided that the best solution to the show's clumsy metaphor for xenophobia was to give more people superpowers to level the playing field or something? and don't get me wrong i love fucked up morally grey women, but i could not get past her always acting like she was oppressed whenever anyone called her out on some of the unethical things she did. especially because it seemed like the supercorp fandom always unquestioningly sided with her about it.
when the female main character has a painful relationship with sex, sexuality, and all other forms of physical pleasure due to the expectations of her friends and her self-enforced code of morality which serves largely to deny herself any semblence of a normal life bc of trauma. me and the mewchies are eating it up.
one of my favorite genres of youtube video is people explaining early 2000s fandom drama in great detail. these were more popular a few years ago, i think most youtubers have sadly moved on to more current internet drama. but for some reason, to my knowledge at least, no one has ever covered the buffy fandom in one of these videos. i assume this is primarily because as big as btvs was, it obviously wasn't the cultural juggernaut that harry potter or lord of the rings were. so while i know there was fandom drama, and there were certainly ship wars, it probably was just never big enough to create msscribe or (god forbid) thanfiction levels of insanity. but i am curious, if anyone who was around back then is aware of any btvs fandom scandals beyond the expected ship war bullshit? feel free to share btw, i'm genuinely curious.
the only one i know, and this is due to research i did for a very a weird and self-indulgent paper i wrote as an undergrad (long story) is that "seeing red" was actually leaked in advance. or, to be more accurate, there was some sort of mistake made by the network involving something called wildfeeds (tbh i don't really understand the technicalities here) that allowed a small community of fans that relied on piracy anyway to pirate "seeing red" a week early. unsurprisingly when that happened spoilers for the episode spread immediately. and obviously that's a hell of an episode to get spoiled for, so i was curious what the fandom response was. i managed to find like one fan group whose conversations during the week in between the leaking of "seeing red" and its airing have been miraculously preserved on google drive. honestly, the response isn't that interesting. i think i was hoping to find like full on conspiracy theory denial of the episode, tjlc style, and some people did suggest that the episode was fake, but for the most part people seemed pretty cognizant of the fact that there was no way in hell that upn and mutant enemy would film an entirely fake episode just to mislead a few online fans. so it didn't turn out to be much of a fandom drama story (or much of a paper either).
that said, if you are curious as to what the immediate reaction was, here are some links to various posts from around this time:
“Forum Question: What are ‘Kittens’ and ‘W/T Shippers’???.”alt.fan.buffy-the-vampire-slayer. April 30, 2002.
“Is the Big Scooby Death Such a Bad Thing? (Spoiler- whatever, we all know who it is).” alt.fan.buffy-the-vampire-slayer. May 7, 2002.
The woman talking to a doctor experience
GET TO KNOW ME MEME ♡ characters → MAY GRANT
“So that's it. You're just a playground bully that likes to pick on little kids to feel better about herself. It's actually pretty pathetic. You don't like me because I'm younger and more competent than you ever were. And yeah, people like me, a lot.”
sundays should be 48 hours long. 24 for enjoying sunday other 24 for mentally preparing for monday
The cast posing for a video or picture 😭
she's said too much...