You can refer my account, Dua. Digimon is always the topic for many discussions, and to easy to keep track, I will quote what she wrote in her post. What was quote will be like this:
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who was struggling to understand why I dislike Digimon Tamers
I must correct. If you dislike, you dislike. The number of reasons really don't affect it. I will just consider and analyze Dua's reasons.
Digimon Tamers went out of its way to be graphic about things that didn't need to be done graphically.
Technially, Tamers and the infamous episode 13 of Digimon Adventure 02 are both having the same writing style by Konaka. To provide context, he is one of the extremists with doubtful thinking and many problems after 2000s. I suppose many know about his infamous Tamers reading relative to political and paranoid, you can find sources on the Internet.
Even though you can consider Tamers as his least personal-affected products, you can still see Konaka's specific writing, which leads to a quite dark tone in the show (almost all Tamer dubs fan don't really realize how graphic tone it is thanks to the American dub jokes.)
As a heavy sci-fi, personal-express show, I think the level of graphic is suitable for this season. If it was for any others season, I will protest, but it's just go with Tamers' theme.
Example 1: Jeri becomes suicidal during the whole D-Reaper arc.
The reasons are different - but we've seen suicidal characters before. I will use Ken as an example instead of Yamato because that's a whole other can of worms. Ken wanted to die to stop the reactor - he didn't care about his own life - we didn't need to see a physical manifestation of him trying to strangle himself, we were shown it in other ways. Jeri trying to strangle herself was way too overkill and unnecessary.
It's a bit difficult to keep track because she used both sub and dub names. Tamers was different from Adventure:
- Adventure focus on self-realize what can be improve, then improve it, while still being harmonic within a big group.
- 02 focus on how being social and having help from close-knit friends can help you complete yourself.
- Tamers focus on how someone go so against hero tropes (Takato with his childish, innocent, soft, a bit selfish, Jianliang with his pacifist thinking, Ruki with her antisocial, rude tone) can still become such ones with some support from each other and their partners. Their character development arcs are also much more personal and long: they are almost separate and difficult to notice.
But you can see how the difference it is, Tamers doesn't have the same character deployment.
So what is this relevant to the above reason?
There's only one thing not good about the way Adventure write characters: almost all children at that age won't be that altruistic.
Tamers can be claimed as Adventure's thought experience: it gives out many "if" of Adventure. What if?
- the children and Digimon all don't have their personality match?
- the children has less choice on acting morally and pacifically?
- the enemy wasn't Digimon but a program?
- the family don't want their child to go save the world and also cry?
Let's go back to the topic. Actually, much more people are suicidal by a very selfish reason. Not all will sacrifice themselves to redempt. Juri is an example to how people in real life have suicidal thinking.
Sometimes, people are so stubborn that only graphic description can help them realize that is not good, and you must go forward. At the same time, Juri's personality is not like Ken so much that it will feel weird if you write the suicidal situation diffrently.
Example 2: Normalising killing digimon
To me, a good show needs to have a difference between the hero and the villain. This show really didn't. Like Digimon Kaiser didn't mind killing digimon who got in the way of Chimeramon and he destroyed thousands of homes. Wormmon died because of him too. But he was a villain at that point in time. In Digimon Tamers, even characters like Guilmon absorb the data of the digimon they defeat to gain more power so then what makes Beelzemon evil if he does the same to Leomon? Why are Takato and Guilmon considered the heroes and Beelzemon is considered the villain.
Killing in Adventure is about survival, and in 02 is to reduce the damage and injury to the world. I don't see much difference in Tamers. Beside Ruki who intentionally hunt Digimon (and only for the early part of the show) and Ryo (because Cyberdramon basically have ZeedMilleniumon inside him), it's not like they absorb all Digimon: In the end, the trio and their Digimon compromise by loading Digimon who challenge them and are obviously carrying murderous intent themselves.
And I don't think force a Digimon to restart from their baby state with their memories and mental injury is much better than just absorb their data...
The main problem with Beelzumon's action is that Leomon completely doesn't challenge or cause harm to him or anyone, not like wild Digimon. Beelzebumon selfishly cared only about his own strengthย knowingย that this would traumatize Juri and all of the other Tamers who had seen him as their friends, so that is considered as villain. And that particular episode absolutely doesn't state that Takato and Guilmon's actions as heroic.
Just because the line between hero and villain in Tamer is thinner doesn't cause in the lack of it.
Example 3: Toxic parents
Toxic parents is another way that Tamers tried to be dark but we've already seen that with Ken and Sam. And with Ken, it was even worse than Jeri because Jeri only had an abusive father. Ken had an abusive father, mother and older brother. Like Jeri, Ken blamed himself for Sam's death believing it was his fault and while Jeri became miss damsel in distress, Ken turned into the villain - cause villains are made, not born.
Reuse meaningful and impactful situations doesn't mean trying to be dark, right? I don't see anything show that Tamers is trying to be darker than Adventure, as producers of Tamers actually really respect how deep in writing Adventure is.
About why Juri become miss damsel in distress, and Ken turned into the antagonist, it's because... the Kaiser is in the early part of 02. With D-Reaper as an enemy, Juri as a villain will feel like a boring pull for interest. You don't need the bad situations turn you into villain to be acceptably dark.
it did not do anything that Adventure 02 hadn't done already.
Like I have presented, Tamers don't need to do something that Adventure and 02 hadn't done. It's just its own season, and that's enough. And besides, Tamers had answered many "if" that fandom may have, and it does tell a meaningiful message about how everyone can be their own heroes in their stories. It's certainly not the best season, but I think these are suitable reasoning.
Say so, you always have right to not like Tamers. I just state suitable responding to the points you raise.
(Adventure and 02 are certainly not lighthearted season, I prefer the term "having positive messages". And if honest, even how cringe or weird it is, I don't assume we can compare darkness between seasons.)
With the presentation, I hope for your counterargument! Goodbye, and have fun!