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Smokey07

@smokey07 / smokey07.tumblr.com

Sideblog dedicate to my story/pfp by @rubynrut

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Side log for (mainly) writing

Tags: #myart (art stuff), #never pass a man in armor (character’s armory design), #iliad the manga (random iliad comic page), #iliad au (focusing on my own au/ writing), #random thoughts, #headcanons

I’ll also post doodles, designs or whatever related to writing here

Ask box is opened so feel free to ask/ share anything with me hehe

Doodle requests closed for now

Ao3: Smokey07

I will follow y’all back with the main one

i have made my own sweeping, simplified statements about paris and his family before, for sure. but in all seriousness, his relationship with his family is complicated. they do hate him for bringing ruin to their doorstep. that is a very clear sentiment, and one that is talked about far more, even in jest, by the fandom than the fact that his family also loved him. they never gave helen back to menelaus and rarely showed any belief of wrongdoing within earshot of the achaeans because they loved him. and doesn't that make it all worse? it's their love for paris that dooms them all. because how could they stand idly by and hand him over to death when he has just returned to their family? he was spared out of love, and they died for him because of that same love.

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They’re done! Here’s the finished drawing of Blurr and Hermes

This was such a fun challenge for me. It’s been so long since I drew a full human or used a canvas larger than a sticky note.

Also, thank you to @smokey07 for noting the similarities in Blurr’s design to Hermes’ winged petasos! I can’t unsee it now, lol

IMMA DIE THEYRE SO PRETTY WTH 🥹🥹

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i've been thinking about paris' arming scene before his duel with menelaus, and the special attention brought to the fact that he dons his brother lycaon's corslet (which fits him as they're the same size). the rest of the armour seems to be his own.

i had a real OH! OF COURSE! moment reading richard martin's notes to the lattimore edition, where he points out that paris, as an archer, has had no need of close combat armour until that day, so he has to borrow! and i think it's such a delicious indicator to clue you in why no one, including paris' closest family members, seems to imagine for a moment he's going to survive mortal combat against menelaus (who you can bet does not need to borrow others' equipment to fight man on man)

Hey kid. do you want to do the seven and epigoni?(please)

Something mostly about them

The Seven Against Thebes by Aeschylus (Tregedy)

The Theban Cycle by Sophocles (Tregedy)

Phoenissae by Euripides (Tregedy)

The Suppliants by Euripides (Tregedy)

The Thebaid by Statius (Epic)

Something mentioning them (I actually love these things more even though there's a tiny amount of them)

Biblioteca by (pseudo)Apollodorus

Fabulae by Hyginus

Heroica by Philostratus

Damn Idk what should I call them but I love looking up for them in these things even though they are mentioned for like 5 times

Description of Greece by Pausanias

Historia by Herodotus

ALSO you can find some lost epics in Greek Epic Fragments From The Seventh To The Fifth Centuries BC (LOEB)

Challenge Time!

(Yeah love to see you create stuff so yeah haha)

So since you expressed likeness with Achilles as Pyrrha and Deidamia here goes nothing: In Statius's "Achilleid" we see a scene from dionysian worshipping rituals and Achilles was assigned to lead the pursue of women wearing a fawn skin around his neck and all or with ivy wreath and possibly thyrsus too so challenge goes: Achilles and Deidamia dancing at the dionysian celebrations together

It could be anything from hand holding till very close embracing and all hehe it is up to you.

Random ideas hehehe

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I am very sorry but my head kept replaying our talk about how the appearance of Pyhrra/ Achilles and Patroclus would worth a soap opera TV series.

So I decided to do something funny.

He couldn’t do split so he opted for holding Deidamia for a spin and the other women had a lot of questions about this.

Woman 1 asking Patroclus: “She’s got arms like that!?”

Patroclus aka the Damage Controller™️: “She carries water a lot.”

“She’s holding our princess with one arm.”

“She does competitive water carrying a lot?”

Achilles still technically fits the male perception of beauty so ig when he was Pyrrha he was just a very handsome butch??

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Okay like I mentioned, I needed a second opinion about rhapsody 9 in the Iliad when Achilles refused to join the battlefield.

There was something very significant about his refusal. Sure it contradicted the social norm for men and his own previous belief (the urge for eternal remembrance and kleos) but there was something else lying beneath, something potent that i could not figure out.

Maybe you could give me a second opinion 👀?

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Oh my this is probably one of the most fascinating subjects indeed! And you are so right there is something so significant about it to the point of many interpreting it as a rhapsody added later by a different writer. You know me, I disagree with this thought but it is on the table as always! And always fascinating to think.

But since I go with the thought that Rhapsody 9 is as worthy to be seen the same ancient as the rest of the poem and written by the same man, as per my own hypothesis and interpretation of the text and let us look at it through some perspectives here and as why it is so contradictory to the whole essence of Kleos, especially coming from Achilles who was supposed to be the very definition of the "perfect warrior" on that aspect; someone who aims towards glory for his name and the future generations! So there are some lines we can look and some thoughts that come from the top of my head as I think on this rhapsody of the Iliad and as I read it. Sorry in advance if this gets long!

Thank you for this long analysis!

I’m glad that the question intrigued you somewhat, and there are a lot of things I haven’t considered but have been unpacked here by you!

I think rhapsody 9 also paralleled the scene rhapsody 6 between Hector and Andromache as well, with both of them enjoyed a moment of peace with their love ones before the storm.

But I haven’t considered the rich parallel between Achilles and Odysseus XD The fact that Odysseus, the ultimate family man of the Achaeans had to convince Achilles to go out and fight really meant something jjjj

It’s true that Achilles’ talk here inverted his initial characterization from rhapsody 1 as the perfect hero and warrior. Basically another side of him, the peace side being revealed. I didn’t notice the idea that he had never been the owner of his house, and only now as the lead commander of the Myrmidon did he have something resemble “the land of his own”.

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No, because Agamemnon and Clytemnestra are a fascinating look at fate vs free will in the sense of... Agamemnon has no choice but to sacrifice Iphigenia. That is the price of his hubris, and to scorn a goddess like Artemis further by refusing to sacrifice Iphigenia as demanded (something he did try to do in Euripides) would only make the situation much, much worse. Everyone knows the story of Artemis & Apollo and Niobe. How could he run the risk of all of their children being killed for his remark?

Whereas Clytemnestra chooses to abuse and neglect her remaining children. Electra is all too willing to kill her for all that she's inflicted upon them over the years. Clytemnestra may have been fated to kill Agamemnon, but she didn't have to ruin her children's lives before that.

And if you look at Pindar, she even chose to attempt to murder Orestes. He had to be rescued by his nurse or Electra and sent to live with his aunt. He remained in exile for years because his mother wanted him dead to get back at Agamemnon. Is he not her son too?

Another thing I have missed in book 6 the Iliad.

Diomedes and Glaucus’ exchange was in general friendly, however with the parting word Diomedes still affirmed himself and the Greeks still being the superior one in combat, even with that on the surface friendly tone.

Diomedes confirmed he would kill the Trojans “if the gods provide” and “if he could catch them”. There is no doubt in his power. He can and will kill them, if he can’t then it means the gods have intervened (side eyes Aphrodite and Apollo in book 5) or the Trojans are only cowards who book the f away when seeing him.

But when wishing for Glaucus, he said “if you can”. Not the divine intervention or failure of speed, but Glaucus’ own combat prowess would fail him in killing his enemy. Aka he is weak! *drop mic*

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